i think whitman is a great example of that . and of course i use one of whitman's poemsas the title poem . the barrage comes directly from him but i really, i guess part of the way i want to respond to this is a non-whitman answer which is that when you put together an anthology, you're doing so very consciously to argue with the canon. and yes of course, i'm thrilled to have whitman in the book and i couldn't think of having an anthology without walt whitman but the reason why i wanted to put the book together was actually to increase the number of women writers, writers of color, working-class writers, writers who are just as good as whitman or langston hughes for some of the bigger names ofthat we recognize. you are not for various reasons being remembered and read and taught in schools. >> you just heard kim respond to my question. i'm mgoing to have you explai . the american dream, this is something you build omon land with his father's money. you wrote that, here we are with kim, how are we supposed torespond to what you w

included our poems by celebratedit writers such as francis scott key, walt whitman and frederick douglass as well as the work of lesser-known poets. kim roberts is the author of a literary guide to washington dc walking inlk the footsteps of american writers from francis scott key and five books of poems most recently the scientific method political af the hybrid book of poetry and prose focusing on topics such as race, corruption, gun violence police brutality reproductive freedom in sexual harassment and abuse of women. campbell is a writer, teacher, fellow and fiction editor receiving her msa from american university and the author of the novel of three other collections and cabinet of wrath. moderating the discussion between these three powerful poetss is an award-winning literary activist and author of two memoirs and several poetry collections he host the morning radio show and host and produces on tv which has the 2020 award. his latest book is god invented baseball awarded the 2019 literary award for poetry by the black caucus of the american library association. as a turn it over

in the dream, walt whitman and the expert of 19 the new book, you told about how whitman's reputationnow, when we cover the black lives matter movement and the january 6, surely look at women to restore our belief in america or should look at him differently. >> is a fascinating question of a part ofis the reason why his reputation waned is because he is someone who we have traditionally invested so much of our own interpretation in. certainly, his record in supporting people of color is really horribly met and yet he is an icon for lgbtq people and how much we read him as the whole mixed picture, as opposed to picking up different parts of you know, changing depending on where we are at as well. i think you have to understand it in terms of context of their time. and i tried were good to give as much context as possible. and then you also have to recognize that we are imperfect human beings. and try to take what we can, learn from these poetics forbearers and set aside those things that are like not useful during that. so i think that women is a great example off that. and of course

included are poems by celebrated writers such as francis scott key, wallet whitman and fred -- walt whitman frederick douglass as well as the work of lesser known poets. tim roberts is the author of a literary guide to washington, d.c.: walking in the footsteps of american writers from francis scott key to zora neale hurston, most p recently the scientific method, political ap, a rage collection by tara campbell is a hybrid book of poetry and prose. the collection focuses on topics such as race, corruption, gun violence, police brutality, confederate monuments, reproductive freedom and the sexual harassment and abuse of women. tara campbell is a writer, teacher and fiction editor at farrell house. she received her msa from american university. she's thero author of the novel treevolution and three other collections, bicycle, midnight at the -- and cabinet of wrath. moderating the discussion between these three powerful points is e. ethel burt miller, an award winning literary activist and author of two memoirs and several poetry collections. he hosts the radio show on the margin and hosts a

i cannot think of having an anthology piece about whitman. so the reason why i wanted the put the book together was actually two increase the number of women writers and writers of colors and working-class writers. writers whose work is just as good as women or others are some of those bigger names that we recognize were not for various reasons being remembered and read and taught in school. >> tara, you just heard kim respond to my question. i'm going to approach you and have you explain your words. i'll cut you. [laughter] when he wrote, shut up. [inaudible]. and this is something that you build in your father's money and a tattered stroll. you wrote that run joseph and kim and how are we supposed to respond to what you wrote. >> right, that particular image was directed at a particular person who had been for the past four years. but is indicative of the promise that the american promise that has been packaged to appeal to the 1 percent. this is a myth that the rest of us as opposed to strive for and aspire to as kim said as we know better

yes of course i'm thrilled to have whitman in the book. one ofhe the reasons i wanted to put the book together was actually to increase the number of women writers, writers of color, working-class writers, who's just as good. some of those bigger names we recognize who are not for various reasons it being remembered, and read, and taught in schools. >> want you to explain your new words. when you wrote for you this is not that wish you make you build so you have joseph and kim how are we supposed to respond? >> that particular image was directed at a particular person who has very prominent for approximately four years. it is indicative of the american promise that has the package to appeal to the 1%. this is the myth the rest of us are supposed to trust strive for and aspire too. as we know better we can take a better look at the role models of the past as complete human beings with all of their flaws, all of their strengths, and the idea to come to a deeper understanding. that quote is removing the scale from their eyes. you can see it f

so whitman is a great example of that. and then to use as a title poem. so part of the way i want to respond to this is a non- whitman answer that when you put together and anthology to argue with a canon yes i'm thrilled to have whitman in the book that the reason i wanted to put it to gather was actually to increase the numberte the writers of color or working-class it is just as good and then to be remembered to be taught in schools. >> you just heard the response. but then where you go? and then to build on stolen land with your father's money. so here we are how we are supposed to t respond? >> and it was very prominent for the past four years but it is indicative of the promise that hasro been packaged to appeal to the 1 percent. and then to strive toward and aspire to. and then to take a better look at the role models of the past with all of their flaws and strength. and then to come to a deeper understanding but that doesn't mean everything is illuminated. and then in a more informed manner so part of this discussion of monuments in the street nam

i was going i say that walt whitman in his poem, his wonderful eulogy written after the death of lincoln lilacs last in the door areas broomed, he described lincoln as the great western star, illuminating the landscape americans landscape, and in a sense that is what lincoln always was to me. this kind of beautiful, wonderful, star but also a little bit removed, and someone inaccessible. didn't see him attached to his contemporary culture and i thought but the culture, the greatest literary period in american literary history, and emmer union, thorough, melville, emily dickenson, walt whitman and then frederick douglass, harriet beecher stowe, john brown, william lloyds garrison and just so much going on, such a wonderful period, and wall -- walt whitman in 1856 fantasized but a president coming from across the alleghenies from the west, at that time illinois was considered the west. and he didn't know but lincoln at all but said some boatman or raftsman in working man, bearded, shrewd, working person, honest, would -- and whitman said i wish he would step across the allegheny and write

i reached out to paul whitman a historian. and one of the experts on corregidor and he had the picture that the correspondent had shot and part of that newsreel of nikem here landing in the crater just like he described okay, so this is what i mentioned earlier mile long barracks. this is mile long barracks here. it's so it was the world's largest military barracks and had prior to the war been used for the building of american officers and personnel assigned a corregidor. during the american invasion to retake the island the paratroopers sees the barracks from the japanese who you and then use it as a command post and aid station captain bradford, dr. bradford. we talked about earlier. he set up his aid station mile long barracks and you if you go to visit corregidor now, it looks similar to what you see in the picture here. it's got this, you know damage skeleton look and when i went to visit i was there with paul whitman and he started digging in some of the debris in front of mile long barracks, and he actually pulled out

that had some of the handwritten notes in it, and then paul, paul whitman who runs the basically the corregidor site and greatest source of information on corregidor, and he had a edited version that he had edited and added context to, and i had that as well, and i was able to merge those two with captain bradford's book "the surgeon." and then there was an oral history and did the interview with tony lopez and i weaved in the archival documents from paul's site, because he has all of it. and that was it, and a couple of the books that have been written previous to this that were a bigger, wider scope. but this book, i tried to focus in on only those couple of guys to give you an incident walk through the battle. >> it is a great day by day account. probably one of the few i have ever seen. what was the press reaction to the retaking the of corregidor? the fall was a major news story, was the re-taking of corregidor the same? >> sure. it was looked at as redemption, and it is important, and it was important, and it restored some of that which was lost in '42 and that is why there was

i was going to say walt whitman in his eulogy written after the death of lincoln he describes how lincolngreat western star of a limiting the landscape. in a sense that's what lang can always was to me, this kind of beautiful wonderful star but also a a little bit removed but somewhat inaccessible. i don't didn't see them attached toto his contemporary culture tn i spent years thinking about that culture. after all it was the greatest literary period in american literary history. emerson thoreau hawthorne poe emily dickinson or walt whitman and many wonderful figures such as frederick douglas harriett beecher stowe and john brown william lloyd harrison and just so much going on in such a wonderful period and walt whitman in 1856 fantasized about the alleghenies from the west when illinois was considered -- and he didn't know about lincoln at all but he said both are bearded shrewd honest and whitman said i wish you would step across the alleghenies and right into the - white house. this was the time of james buchanan and franklin pierce and other inferior presence and lo and behold four y

emerson, thoreau, poe and emily dickinson, walt whitman and then you meet such wonderful individualsdouglass, harriet beecher still and of course there wasjohn brown , just so much going on and it's such a wonderful period. walt whitman in 1856 fantasized about a president coming from across the alleghenies from the west in fact, the illinois and he didn't know about lincoln at all that he said bowman and workingmen, bearded, shrewd, a working person of honest and whitman said i wish he would go across the alleghenies and ride into the white house . this was at the time of frank buchanan and pierce was the other inferior president and lo and behold, four years later here comes a. and he is sold as a illinois rail splitter and lincoln didn't like that name, nor did he like mister president or mister lincoln. he preferred lincoln but he did say i know i was not going to get elected without the image and that's what i call my book a. it's about an intersection between him and basically what got him elected. which was his knowledge of his contemporary america and emerson said about linco

she wouldn't okay be looking virginia congressman rob whitman to the show ms.the whole 20 years, very interesting propositions and somebody up to do it. how are you going to do it. >> larry i believe with everything that we have seen unfoldment not only the past 20 years but especially what we have seen unfold in the last weekend, we needed to get a full bedding and facts in our republican chairman, congress chairman elise if only one him 911 commission, instead of just the talking points and we would get from the administration, let's get to the fact and see if the subpoena witness and truly discover what is happened there in the whole process, think there's a lot to learn their a lot for us as a nation to know with determination and how we go forward. larry: i would suggest that maybe you've already thought of this, but this mission begin commission and it has members in it but the house and senate but predominantly at the 911 commission's, and other successful commissions, i would suggest bipartisan professionals, people with judgment and so forth and i woul

i was reading his oral history and i was writing that section of the book, i reached out to paul whitman, one of the historians who is an expert of corregidor. and he had the picture that the correspondent had shot of ike there landing in the crater just as he had described. i mentioned the mile long barracks. this is it. it was the world's largest military barracks and had been used for the building of the american officers and enlisted personnel assigned to corregidor, in the american invasion, they took the island and the barracks was seized and doc bradford who we talked about before, he set up his aid station there in the mile long barracks and if you go to visit now, it is going to be looking similar to here, and it has a damaged skeleton look, and when i went to visit, i was there with paul whitman and he started to dig in the debris in front of mile long barracks and got parts of the parachute, and i was able to get parts of a parachute there right in front of the barracks that is still there today. you can walk around and explore it a little bit. so once they get to corregidor,

emerson, thoreau, hawthorne, walt whitman and then a such suh wonderful figures as frederick douglassderful period. in they didn't know about lincoln at all but they said both. he said i wish you would step aside in the house and this is at the time low and behold four years later here comes abe sold as a honest abe and lincoln didn't particularly like that name or mr. president or mr. lincoln. he preferred lincoln but he did say they knew i wasn't going to get elected without the image. it's about the intersection between him and basically what got him elected which was his knowledge on contemporary america. there's all ranges of culture from the lowest to highest. lincoln could recite shakespeare by the page and many other poets. not to brag because these lines meant something to him. anded he liked humor and everything in between. sappy parlor and so forth so he strongly believed it was shaped by conditions that stated he believed in the individual's capacity to shape so my book is about that interchange between him and how that guided him into the presidency. he was compared often

walt whitman and his wonderful eulogy written out after the death of lincoln describes lincoln as thern star illuminating the landscape and in a sense, that's what lincoln always was to me, this kind of beautiful, wonderful star but also a little bit removed and someone inaccessible. it was the greatest literary period in history. emerson, thoreau and then the wonderful figures of frederick douglass, harriet beecher stowe and of course there was john brown, william lloyd garrison. walt whitman in 1856 fantasized about a president coming from across the alleghenies from the west and he didn't know about lincoln at all but he said shrewd working person, honest and i wish he had stuck across the alleghenies and went into the white - house. he is sold as honest abe and lincoln didn't particularly like that name nor did he like mr. president or mr. lincoln or anything like that. but hehe did say i know i wasn't going to get elected without the image and it's really about the intersection between him and what got w him elected, which ws his knowledge of this america.ary he said there is no

they selected writings by walt whitman, emily dickinson, frederick douglass and others. extremely beautiful publication. indeed, it did almost shame bostonians and others into taking better care of the memorial. the memorial was conserved, and the names of the 54th were inscribed on the back of it. we've concluded our exhibition with examples by two other artists who have continued to reflect on the importance of the 54th, seeing them as a symbol of cultural and racial pride. of course, the very well-known artist carrie may weems. this is from a series of photographs she made, "from here i saw what happened and i cried." it's a number of images that look back at how african-americans have been depicted by others over time. and here, she took one of richard benson's photographs and she printed it through a blood red filter which, of course, gives this sense of all the blood that was shed. then she has placed it behind a glass on which she has etched the words, "restless after the longest winter you marched and marched and marched." suggesting the very long process of the

today and have been widely reported that the 5 time batt onto a winner has agreed personal terms. whitman city, uva, who wants to sell the portuguese still before his contract, runs out. next year, rinaldo has also been linked to parents engine men, and they're currently weighing up and improved off from rail madrid for killing them up in the spanish side of increase. their bid for the french will come when it's just under $200000000.00. a p s g all said to be holding out for around 10000000 more to match the price they paid for him in 2018, but a wants to move and p of g face losing the strike of a free early next year when the contract expires. so p s g, i mentioned the said he making trans the headlines and also been drawn together in the european champions league group stage. both teams have spent hundreds of millions of dollars assembling squads in recent years, but this is the trophy that still eludes them. they both reach the final but never one s and p s g will knocked out of the semi final last season by 30. so it's an opportunity for revenge that says that the 0 willows last yea

a group of 14 men planned to bob duct. gretchen whitman from vacation home last year. it was a tele ation for covered $900.00 restriction sheet imposed tie garden is the 1st to be sentenced and the only suspect to plead guilty. inflation is on the rise in the u. s. reaching its highest level in decades, and that's forcing up the cost of living and it's sitting people who are the lowest wages, particularly hard, given others on the report. so east brunswick and new jersey. it's another day heading into work for brian cooler us. and it's no easy commute to get to his job as a banquet server. it's a 160 kilometers, almost 2 hours each way from his home and east brunswick, new jersey to his job in atlantic city. he doesn't do it by choice, but out of necessity. it's the only job he can find where he makes enough income to survive each month, but barely. people, i don't always think realize what it's like to have to live on half a penny. you know, i call it sometimes splitting penny bryan is one of an estimated 125000000 americans who live paycheck to paycheck. it's now eve

he loved baseball, was a hotspot and he played the bridge and was a fan of walt whitman and cited the poems from several american poets and was by several accounts quite the ladies man. all the while he was helping speed up the creation of their own atomic bomb the most obvious and fascinating is what is in the subtitle and the fact that he was never caught. it gives readers the expected intrigue of espionage details there are many codenames. the various cover shots in manhattan. and in his suspicious routines had quite an adventure finding the addresses and then visiting the premises and measuring the distance as for example from the main cover shop in manhattan to the flatiron building where meetings had taken place it took seven minutes by the way. but the book goes beyond that. showing the hopes, fears and beliefs of the decisions and accomplishments. everyone's life must have meaning and i wanted to unveil the people and events that shaped the meeting to immerse the reader into the historical context in which the five functioned to basically deepen the themes and significance of

walt whitman who was prosecuted, whose writing was prosecuted under the comstock law wrote to a common prostitute. one thing that's shocking to people is prostitution existed in many different forms from brothel houses to these waiter girls who would so you drinks but really they were trying to sell you sex, to streetwalkers. so the idea, meaning it was not behind the scenes. it was open and you can imagine how shocking this would be to write congregationalist from rural connecticut. >> can you give sort of concise form what the law was he got past? because this is key to how we fight all of these women that crop up. >> yes, there was already an obscenity law before he went to washington, but what made the comstock law unique was it criminalize the mailing of both obscenity and contraception, contraception information and abortion information, with much steeper sentences, with steep sentences and fines. so what it did for the first time was it included in existing obscenity law information about an actual contraception. >> so that's where he first get into these fights with the women.

i believe that money was exchanged with a lot of these guys that took off and ran and left it whitman. -- equipment. host: what about the past $1 trillion and that money going into afghanistan? caller: that started after the 9/11. i don't know how any billions or chileans of dollars we have lost since the 9/11 attacks -- trillions of dollars we have lost since the 9/11 attacks. the trillions of dollars we spent there is for not. i think eight or 10 years ago, they announced gold, uranium, platinum and all sorts of things. i haven't heard a word in years about that. i'd like to know, if it was true, what happened to all the money from that? host: we will stay in cleveland. bill, democrat, go ahead. caller: how are you doing? host: doing alright. go ahead. caller: that $1 trillion, throw it out in smoke and all those people are dying in afghanistan. it just shows you what the world is coming to. as far as our government, we try to babysit every country around the planet. those people's religion, they have fought over that for 2000 years. we are not going to change that. it doesn't matte

that cuomo used to kill over 15000 elderly because that might be damaging to other governors like whitmanom and murphy. it's a job someone is trying to be governor wanted to cuomo out. kat: ned mentioned have not wanted to follow his own rules. he himself made the law structure that sexual harassment did not need to be pervasive or serious in order to be illegal. why would this guy do that if he was doing all of this? >> katz, that's part of what makes this story so gross and so disappointing. this is a public figure who pledged to support women. as you mentioned he put in place regulations that help women and help survivors. he is not someone who had not taken on that issue, that is frustrating. in terms of what happens next, kathie is the lieutenant governor preachy action is not been close to governor cuomo. if he is impeached or if she resigned she would become i think the first female governor of new york. she is very well respected a longtime public servants. while there are obviously politics at play here a lot of people hope he has a shred of dignity left and resigned. because an

>> well, i found out that he -- i googled him and i was like -- he's a character called dane whitmano idea unless i've been recast, and he's playing my part not a clue >> jimmy: you didn't run into him or anything. >> no. >> jimmy: so, you guys did scenes separately? >> ooh [ laughter ] >> jimmy: why would i try to sneak something? yeah, i don't do that. >> no comment. >> jimmy: yeah but he's a good guy though, right? >> yeah, i hear he's a great guy. yeah yeah >> jimmy: you would know, right? you spent time with the guy. >> yeah. lovely lovely chap, i think i don't know i've never met the guy. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: see, you're a good actor so i don't know what's happening right now. [ laughter ] i want to talk about your series "modern love. your episode is up -- well, it's available tomorrow. what drew you to this series >> i just -- i loved the first season and quite honestly, it was something lighter to do, lighter to play. i spent nine years playing a a very serious character who had zero comedies to him at all and i thought, it's a beautiful little story about two guys on -- t

reporter: representative whitman says there needs to be a 9/11 style commission report on afghanistan and this botched exit for this. over the weekend the president also going to dover, delaware. he met 13 servicemembers who were killed in the suicide attack in afghanistan. he was there for that. then right after that he visited fema headquarters for a briefing about the second storm the administration is facing right now, hurricane ida, hurricane 4 when it hit the u.s. knocking out power as you heard to a million people. president they having he would get questions about the storm. listen to this. >> mr. president on afghanistan -- >> i will not answer afghanistan. okay. reporter: officials still calling ida an extremely dangerous storm. as you heard one person has been killed there. back to you, neil. neil: you know viscerally, that is the president doesn't want to go beyond what he said on afghanistan. when it comes up he is not happy about it. i'm just surprised because you know these are twin crises he has to deal with. picking and choosing when it comes to afghanistan, it just g

things, there's a good chance don rumsfeld wasn't even his real name it sounds like an alias dick whitmanld use to get a job at raytheon. suffice to say, history will not look back on it as an amazing accomplishment if anything, i think it's much more likely that, when they get to the chapter on afghanistan, future textbooks will just say, "file not found. of course, in the future, there probably won't be textbooks. you'll just get all your history downloaded in a chip that you put in your brain. "okay, activate the chip." "he said what to the boy scouts?" hey, it's one thing to be wrong, i make mistakes all the time, as anyone who watches our emmy-nominated corrections segment will tell you, "voting now open." but what the bushes and rumsfelds and boltons and roves did was so much worse, because they lied and covered up the truth. while they were cheerleading, making all of those confident predictions in public, in private, we know now, they had no idea what the [ bleep ] they were doing despite declaring the war an "amazing accomplishment," rumsfeld repeatedly wrote panicked memos about

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coming up this morning, daniel whitman discusses the white house, then the annual survey of the size, scope, and cost of federal regulations. also, talking about evictions during the covid-19 pandemic. and johns hopkins university assistant professor annette anderson discusses how covid-19 is impacting the start of a new school year. watch c-span's "washington journal," live at 7:00 a.m. this morning. be sure to join the conversation with your phone calls, text messages, and tweets. ♪ host: journalist helen anders, you have a new book. the men and women who promised freedom and delivered disaster. in the preface, you explain how it came to be. guest: i am a millennial. the idea for the book started when i looked at my peers and i noticed we all felt a little susan: journalist helen andrews, you have a new book, "boomers: the men and women who promised freedom and deliver disaster." in its preface, you explain how the book came to be. what is the story? helen: well, i am a millennial, and the idea for the book started when i looked around at a lot of my peers and noticed we were all fe

and yasmeen, walt whitman congratulations and you have family and with that. what it was like to write about the book something you yourself were reporting on, but also living? >> that's a great question. >> it took an emotional toll, a big part of our day. we couldn't work together, brain storm and we had to do interviews on the phone or on zoom and you know, you can only build that relationship a little bit easier if you're meeting in person and build trust that way. we were cold calling a lot of people and not really able to meet them, a lot of times not able to see their faces and of course, we're all stuck at home and scared. for so much of last year we were really really scared for our families, our friends, living in parts of the country that were getting hit really hard. so we were covering this and we were hearing stories how-- and i wrote a bunch with you, how no one knows who is in charge and the number of task forces and just how off the rails things are so much of the time and it's stressful. i think it's much more stressful than maybe we were cov

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the first district, he's also the vice ranking member of the house armed services committee, rob whitman. congressman, thank you for taking time. let's get right to it. you are on the armed services committee. what is the latest intelligence you can share with us with what you're hearing about what's happening on the ground in kabul? >> griff, there are several things, one, there are americans that need to be evacuated. second, is that there is still risk to military members on the ground and we are still facing a deadline that the president refuses to move. i believe the deadline needs to be extended. i don't think that we should be at the mercy of the taliban telling us when to get out. this needs to be about a single purpose and a single purpose only, that is getting every american out of afghanistan. and we should not have a timeline dictate to us by the taliban. the taliban needs to know if this he get in our way of evacuating americans that there will be a swift and deadly response if they do that. that's where we need to be, i believe, at this point. griff: congressman, about a we

i believe that money was exchanged with a lot of these guys that took off and ran and left it whitman-- equipment. host: what about the past $1 trillion and that money going into afghanistan? caller: that started after the 9/11. i don't know how any billions or chileans of dollars we have lost since the 9/11 attacks -- trillions of dollars we have lost since the 9/11 attacks. the trillions of dollars we spent there is for not. i think eight or 10 years ago, they announced gold, uranium, platinum and all sorts of things. i haven't heard a word in years about that. i'd like to know, if it was true, what happened to all the money from that? host: we will stay in cleveland. bill, democrat, go ahead. caller: how are you doing? host: doing alright. go ahead. caller: that $1 trillion, throw it out in smoke and all those people are dying in afghanistan. it just shows you what the world is coming to. as far as our government, we try to babysit every country around the planet. those people's religion, they have fought over that for 2000 years. we are not going to change that. it doesn't matter

host: we would like to thank representative rob whitman for coming on with us and talking about the situationn afghanistan. thank you so much. guest: thank you. host: coming up, the immigration clinic director at the university of law center will be here to discuss the supreme court going against the biden administration on a trump immigration policy, and our spotlight on magazine segment, our guest will be here to talk about the timeline of the pro-life movement. we will be right back. american history tv, james baker reflects on leadership and his career serving his secretary of state, and as ronald reagan's white house chief of staff and treasury secretary, a best selling author exit how society can learn from the wisdom of the founding fathers today. watch american history tv every weekend and find a full schedule on your program guide or watch online anytime at c-span.org /history. >> we are at an important tipping point, but we do matters and i believe that that 1776 project is in important historical moment. we need people to get behind us, make sure that our message reaches everyone.