adalja was saying.captures the state of play and you say this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated becomes -- because it comes down to the unvaccinated rate. when we start talking about something other than the hospitalization rate, if there is no longer that stress on doctors and nurses, that is when we know we are actually at the end and we are not there yet. jonathan: hopefully we are getting closer. kailey, how many days since we have had a 5% correction? more than 200. before you -- before i could complete the question. lisa: -- kailey: continuing to climb that wall of worry. is it predicated on the bed not making a move this month, may be pushing it out further onto the tail end of the year. jonathan: yields are up four basis points. the curve is steeper. equities are down and the s&p unchanged. for audience worldwide, as wall street gets back to work, this is bloomberg. (announcer) back pain hurts, and it's frustrating. you can spend thousands on drugs, doctors, devices, and mattresses, and still no

adalja: the anti-back health care workers, especially nurses.see hospitals worried about how they will continue. in the long run is better to get these people out of health care if they are not going to be accepting of data and these are people you don't want working for you. it is going to be difficult because there will be staff shortages and it will be difficult for some of these places to cope. in my home town outside of pittsburgh, they are having the same problem and that is why they are reticent to mandate the vaccines because they don't think they can run the hospital without the unvaccinated working. i think it is disgusting that health care workers don't want to get vaccinated and they hold the hospital hostage because of that. it speaks to the lack of scientific literacy. 96% plus, it is not the physicians that aren't getting vaccinated. it is a call if you are a hospital administrator to think about how you are going to cope, especially if you have covid patients and other things going on. if you think about a vaccinated workforce, a

adalja: i don't think it is the right approach. it is not really justify what they do.el 3 and level four lockdowns are borrowing from the chinese playbook. they pickup so much activities that are not fleeting to spread and don't allow people to do things in a safer manner, like go outside and not have to wear a mask or even get takeout dining. i don't think what they have done is correct but they are surface defenders of it as i found out when you criticize them. it is something i think needs to be examined because it is not sustainable and they have about 30% of their population of vaccinated. i don't think we need to do this in the post vaccine era. we have so much technology to allow people to do things safely that this abstinence only approach should not be what is done and should not be enforced with pulleys. -- with pulleys -- with police. tom: in america, do have elements of music let? dr. adalja: we don't, we have aspects of it like in california with strict restrictions on indoor dining at outdoor going -- outdoor dining. that approach was driving behavior und

adalja: i do think it was scientifically sound. do not keep viruses outside of borders. you know that from the beginning that when they were travel bans in place, the virus was spreading in the united states. you have a lot of technology, not just vaccine, but rapid tests. you know how to take care of people coming in from a different country to make sure they do not harbor the virus with testing. americans are going around the world, using these tests to get into other countries and i think this is something long since coming and something we could do with testing, with proper knowledge of people's vaccination status. i think this is a good step forward and something that should have been done earlier. jon: doctor, a lot of people agree with you. i will not give my personal view. dr. amesh adalja, senior scholar from johns hopkins center for health security see -- security. when we started in little pieces from airlines, we will see how much bookings have exploded in last 24 hours. tom is going home for christmas trade away, booke

adalja: covid-19 is now a disease of the unvaccinated.re more likely to be younger. if you look at the united states , people under 65 are 80% fully vaccinated. that will ship to the virus to younger people. we know that is why hospitalizations are different and deaths made to be different. -- younger people may be spared for the need for hospitalization. what we need to do is emphasize the fact that if you're younger and think you are impervious to the virus, getting the vaccine as a way to prevent any of those negative consequences from happening to you and prevent you from spreading to other people. this has been difficult. we have hit a wall of vaccine hesitancy and it is in the younger age groups. if you look at who is getting infected is younger people because they are not vaccinated. some of them have high-risk conditions. we are seeing a shift in hospitalizations to younger people with high risk factors like diabetes and hypertension. guy: a lot of what we are talking about is 12 to 18-year-olds or maybe a little bit into their 20

adalja, on vaccines, kids 5 to 11, this news from pfizer, earlier today we heard a member of the fda vaccine committee, dr. paul offit, he called this science by press release. he wants to dig into the data, that's understandable, and that's going to take some time. but from what you've heard so far, you're optimistic? >> i am optimistic. while it is still science by press release, and everybody wants to see the actual data and look at the side effect profile, look at the antibody profile and look at the data on how effective it is, many parents are eagerly awaiting this vaccine and it will be one way to keep covid-19 from schools and from disrupting children's lives the way it has for the last two years. >> dr. michael osterholm said on msnbc today, he sees the pfizer news as promising but he pointed out vaccine approval does not necessarily mean actual vaccinations. he reminded us that only about half of those kids ages 12 to 17 who can already get the vaccine, only about half of them are vaccinated. and that's well below where it needs to be. what do you expect, when we get this a

anext adalja from the bloomberg school of public health. mike, this afternoon, president biden going to make this announcement in his plan to fight the delta variant. and what we're seeing clearly includes an escalation in this pressure campaign to get folks vaccinated. tell us what the plan is. >> yeah, chris, that's a good way of putting it. when you look at sort of the six broad prongs of this six-point plan that the white house put out this morning, it looks like it's back to basics at a time that americans are going back to work and back to school. focusing on some of the most proven methods for dealing with the pandemic and preventing its spread. when you dial down into the specifics that we have learned so far, it's clear that they're really turning the dial up from some sunl suggests or sort of s mandates into much stiffer requirements in this case. that's to deal with federal work force is one example. the white house source familiar saying that the president will sign executive orders to do two things. one is to take the regulatio