that's a quote from bennie thompson. what other measures, mr. chairman, are on the table?obably the most severe measure. there are a number of ways to enforce subpoenas, as we have tried over the last four years. there's civil efforts to seek to effectuate those subpoenas in court, but that can be very time consuming. during the last administration when bill barr was the attorney general, he was doing everything he could to protect the person of the country, not the country itself. which meant, of course, that he wasn't going to assist in enforcing subpoenas. but it's a very different justice department now that puts the public interest first, and so if people, you know, willfully ignore the law, and they defy these subpoenas, then pursuing a criminal contempt is viable, and we would hope that we would have the support of the justice department in that we have to reestablish that people can't simply thumb their nose at legal process and get away with it. >> while you're investigating the lies that led to the january 6th attack on the u.s. capitol, the former president is c

that's bennie thompson. but i'm a proud member of it. >> wait, you're not bennie thompson. you're right. i hope you had an easy fast and i hope the family is well. and tell bennie i said sorry. i'll have to tell him myself. >> no problem. >> thank you for that as well. the stakes are this. on the accountability side, what do you think the chance is that the outcome of your efforts and the committee's efforts will be anything more than what we've seen in the past when it comes to try to hold trump and his people to account? >> well, let's see. let's start with the trials. i mean, in the second impeachment trial, we had concurrent robust bipartisan majorities in the house and senate declaring as a fact that trump incited a violent insurrection against the union. it's true he beat the constitutional spread of two-thirds, so he wasn't convicted. but you had an overwhelming majority of both the house and senate declaring that he did it. so, we established that. but that's just about one guy. what we're working on now in the select committee is trying to determine what was the pa

now you got liz cheney and bennie thompson calling mccarthy out in a new statement saying that it hasde clear that reports of such conclusion are baseless and we'll continue to pursue it in a nonpartisan and thorough manner. and we remind mccarthy of his statements including from the house floor on january 13 which are inconsistent with his recent comments. what is this telling us? >> what this is saying is that it is really showing the january 6 committee putting on united front against what they see as these inaccurate statements from the minority leader. this because the very first statement that cheney and bennie thompson put out together ever since cheney was elevated to the vice chair of the committee. they say that they want to get to the truth of what happened that day regardless of what top republicans like mccarthy are saying. >> so how is mccarthy fighting back? >> mccarthy for his part has taken an aggressive stance. earlier this past week he has threatened companies that have received document preservation requests from the select committee threatening retribution against

concluded trump did not play a role in the deadly insurrection with committee chair bennie thompson andair liz cheney calling it a misinformation campaign. all of this comes just days after mccarthy threatened tech companies who comply with their investigation may actually get in trouble. politico reports that his name is among the list of people whose records are being eyed by the committee. joining us right now on capitol hill with the very latest, nbc news correspondent ali vitale i. good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning. this january 6 commission has been busy over the course of the last few weeks we've seen them start to ask for a ton of records from seven federal agencies as well as the national archives. those were meant to target a lot of members in the trump administration and the larger donald trump orbit. but then we also saw this week the request of 35 telecom and tech companies asking for records requests including those of some republican lawmakers who are allies of the former president. you're right, house minority leader kevin mccarthy has pushed back on that as

look, bennie thompson promised us news this week. they're focusing on what donald trump knew and when. they sent them to mark meadows, kash patel who was a senior aide under president trump and steve bannon who was only on the white house payroll for the first few months of that administration, but he promoted the stop the steal rally that led to zwran 6th riot. bennie thompson and others on the panel are taking a sort of two-pronged approach. the first is issued to those they think will likely comply and the second is subpoenas for those they think won't. those four requests, they want them to appear before the committee on october 14th and october 15th. on the 7th they want to see all the documents. if they don't comply, they say criminal content is possible. as you know, taking things through court will certainly drag out the investigation. we'll see what happens in the next few weeks. >> julie, let's talk about the so-called audit. and now there's another one. the u.s. house committee is involved in this? how so? >> it's led by c

this was the first statement that cheney and bennie thompson put out together ever since cheney was elevate today be the vice-chair of the committee. and it's their attempt to say this is really a bipartisan effort that they still want to get to the truth of what happened that day regardless of what top republicans like mccarthy are saying. >> how is mccarthy fighting back? >> well, mccarthy, for his part, has taken a very aggressive stance towards the investigations by this committee. earlier the past week he attacked a friend -- companies that received document preservation requests from the select committee threatening retribution against them when republicans were in the majority and said they could be breaking the law if they complied with the committee. it's unclear which law these companies would be breaking. lot of the these kind of preservations requests are fairly standard in federal investigations, although the request of lawmakers records is really is what has infuriated the republicans here. >> what is his driving motivation? what is mike car think's driving motivation here? is

so many of them processed it and we have a process as congressman bennie thompson advised me. he and congressman greg meech shared their letter with me. >> we had congresswoman clark on last night. i am out of time but we are definitely committed to continue to work. we cannot let this atrocity go. thank you for being with us, madam chairman congresswoman joyce beatty. thank you. >>> joining me now is member of the house homeland committee and representative of the district we just spoke about, congressman al green. congressman, your state of texas has been on everyone's mind recently from the fight for abortion rights, voting rights, and now the haitian immigration crisis. so, what do your fellow democrats need to do right now to help fight all of these battles at once? >> excellent question, reverend, thank you for having me on. and um, i'm wearing my mask because of an office policy that we have. excellent question. i think, reverend, that first we have to realize that failure is not an option. failure would create a circumstance that would cause us to forever regret not ha

bennie thompson and liz cheney and others who were part of this process to abuse the powers should be held accountable for that abuse of power. it's our duty when we get the majority to hold them accountable for it. >> first, congressman, i want to thank you for all you doing in congress and hope you are fully successful. political question. it's hard for me to believe that all of the democrats in congress are really totally in line and instep with nancy pelosi. are there any effort underway, without naming names, to get some of these folks to convert or at least to declare themselves independent from the democrats? >> i i wish i could say that the was but nancy pelosi doesn't control the democratic party in the house of representatives. this is not, this is not my grampus democrat party, or nancy pelosi's democratic party. this is bernie sanders grandkids democrat party, right? this is bernie sanders democrat party. this is not my democrat party because aoc come bernie said his come the radical socialist, progressive wing of the democratic party controls of this democrat party. that'

that's chairman benny thompson of the january 6th select committee. those guys you saw on the beginning of your screen there they're subpoenaed to appear before the committee in october but the 7th of october is the date for them to turn over all of the documents they have. now, remember, this is a two pronged approach the committee is taking. they've sent a request, normal request for documents to others that they said are likely to comply but the subpoenas are just the beginning. we're told by a source familiar to the committee's plans, this is just the beginning. they're planning to subpoena many more individuals in the coming days so we'll see if those four show up to testify and if they won't those on the panel will consider holding them in criminal contempt, which will surely drag out the investigation. >> julie, we know the house oversight committee wants to talk to the ceo of the cyberninjas, the arizona group that ran the audit. what role might congress take in essentially reviewing the reviews, or maybe how these play out in the future? >> r

bennie thompson and liz cheney and others who were a part of this process to abuse their power should be held accountable for that abuse of power. it's our duty when we get the majority to hold them accountable for it. >> first, congressman, i want to thank you for all you do in congress and hope that you're fully successful. political question. it's hard for me to believe that all of the democrats in congress are really totally in line and in step with nancy pelosi. are there any efforts underway without naming names, to get some of these folks to convert or at least to declare themselves independent from the democrats? >> i wish i could say that there was. but nancy pelosi doesn't control the democratic party in the house of representatives. this is not -- this is not my grandpa's democratic party or nancy pelosi's democratic party. this is bernie sanders grandkids democratic party. right? this is bernie sanders' democrat party. this is not my democratic party because aoc, bernie sanders, the radical socialists, progressive wing of the democratic party controls this democratic party

next, they're readying a wave of subpoenas according to chairman bennie thompson who said a list of targets would be released as soon as this week. the guardian reports that according to a source familiar with the goings on, the targets could include former white house chief of staff mark meadows, his deputy dan scavino, and former trump campaign manager brad parscale. not a week goes by that we don't learn something new about trump's effort to overturn the election by any means necessary. the latest revelation that trump and his lawyer pushed pence to nullify the vote in seven states represents nothing less than an attempted coup. and that effort is still ongoing today. a full ten months after the election. the right wing movement to infiltrate our electoral system state by state continues with the long delayed fake audit in arizona coming to an end. republicans in the arizona senate are expected to unveil the results tomorrow. those results, which will eemergency from a chaotic, flawed system brimming with cheese dust and conspiracy theories don't actually matter. this fraudit was never a

the speaker of the house and the republicans are in the majority bennie thompson and liz cheney and others who were a part of this process to abuse their power to be held accountable for that abuse of power as it's argued when we get the majority to hold them accountable for it. >> i want to thank you for all that you are doing. it's hardt for me to believe tht all of the democrats in congress are totally in line and in step with nancy pelosi. are there any efforts underway to get some of these folks to convert or declare themselves independent from the democrats? >> i wish i could say that there was. in this isn't my grandfather's s democratic party or nancy pelosi's. this is bernie sanders democratic party. bernie sanders, the progressive democratic party controls. all of the other radical proposals that they put on the floor because the radical socialist controls the party today. what i hear from many of my democratic colleagues that come from stripping away all of the moderates they had taken on a primary as socialists, so they've gotten rid of all of the so-called blue dogs, they are

. >> you report that committee chair bennie thompson wants to be done by the spring.ase, what is that timeline lookout? what are the steps that lie between now and then? >> we're seeing them ramp things up a lot now. in the next few weeks we're going see a lot come due. next week we will see the very first documents from the first tranche of s&ps come through. two weeks from now, we'll see the potential depositions from that first round of subpoenas with people like steve bannon and mark meadows potentially showing up. and three weeks the from that, we'll have a third round. they're moving really, really fast. in theory, by the spring, they might be able to piece together some kind of report or have public hearings before then, and they plan to be as transparent as possible. >> what is the endgame? the american people are not quite sure what they want to do here. we've got the select committee. what is the final result? will there be consequences? >> there's only so many consequences that they can levy. they can't levy criminal charges or like that. what they can do i

but the focus benny thompson has spoken about is not the same timeline above this congressional committee. it's really about to prevent this from happening again but also to understand the root causes, to refortify the security force at the capitol, to enjoy the integrity of our elections going forward and in general. the timeline is actually a little bit longer, but i do agree that the process by which you have to secure their testimony is likely to be pro tra protracted, but remember, the position is held by the executive branch. he might have a weak argument if he tries to assert some basis for privilege being able to say he is the one to hold it at this jun juncture knowing he is no longer the president of the united states. >> laura, jeffrey, thank you both. i appreciate it. i want to bring on jon avlon. he is out with a new series called "reality check by with j avlon." here's what he says about evidence by scavino, bannon and patel. >> some were in communication with him on january 5 and january 6. they are reportedly in communication about how to overturn the results of the electi

but the focus that bennie thompson has spoken about is not the same sword of damocles timeline above this congressional committee. it's really about to prevent this from happening again but also to understand the root causes, to refortify the security force at the capitol, to enjoy the integrity of our elections going forward in general. so the timeline is actually a little bit longer. but i do agree that the process by which you have to secure their testimony is likely to be protracted. but remember the executive privilege is held by the executive branch. this is a former president of the united states at this point, so he might have a weaker argument being able to, if he tries to assert some basis for privilege, being able to say that he is the one who should hold at this juncture right now, knowing he is no longer the president of the united states. >> laura, jeffrey, thank you both. i really appreciate it. >>> i want to bring in now cnn's senior political analyst john avlon. he is now with a new weekly video series on cnn digital that will examine the rise of extremist groups her

cheney is now the vice chair of it is house's select committee investigating the capitol riot bennie thompson. he says it's important to keep the probe bipartisan lid cheney pushed back on president trump's false claims about the election the committee's inquiry has been ramping up they revotesed this week they were seeking phone records of certain republicans. >>> and the first time survivors are telling their stories. one woman, when he looked up for her family, was told no one would make it out alive. here is nbc's kerry sanders. >> whoever thinking a building is going to collapse on you? i'm sorry. >> half the billing is gone. >> reporter: in just 12 seconds, the 136-unit condo collapsed. >> i remember mom yelling run and dragging me out of the bed. >> angela, devin and her father edgar had been watching a late-night movie, all were laying in the same bed. >> it felt like an equality. >> angela, 45 years old says a split second before the ground gave away, she heard what she thought was thunder. >> i just screamed run we made it right out of our bedroom, maybe a couple steps and the floor

should come as no surprise, yesterday, with the chair of the committee, democratic congresswoman bennie thompsonmississippi, said that we quote will probably as a committee issued so committee or organizations within a week. this comes as political is reporting to meet, the adam shift of california, has admitted to a more aggressive proportion when it comes to the issue of issuing those subpoenas. saying that the committee is going to forego some of the time consuming steps that have dogged previous investigations. when it comes to showing up what schiff does call for lines and democracy, he did not stop the. separate work from the committee the shoes today along with other members of congress need to set new limits on presidential power. i'm congressman adam schiff joins me now. >> congressman first tell me what this bill would do, and why it's necessary in the wake of what we've experienced? >> this goes really modeled after acted in all serious a reformer, designed to address the abuse and such as the nixon administration. this kind of package of reform exported and expedite congressional sub

but chairman bennie thompson, and vice chair liz cheney, shot that down, saying when the report was published, the select committee query the agencies involved. we've received answers and briefings from the relevant entities, and it's been made clear to us that these reports are baseless. we will continue to pursue all elements impartially. the report is likely to have something to do with the agencies demanding records from agencies, including from rudy giuliani, mark meadows, trump's three eldest children, first lady melania trump, michael flynn and former white house strategist stephen bannon. a deadline of september 9th has been set. our next guest is from'the daily beast', asawin suebsaeng. let's start on that document request, this is different from the telecom companies, and those federal agencies are in a position to furnish this stuff. this is not something we anticipate, i think, to get hung up in court. what is your understanding? >> my understanding is that for the past several weeks trump has been huddling with close advisers in order to game plan different ways to address these

to 1/6 select committee chairman bennie thompson told reporters that the committee could start issuings and organizations within one week and here is vice chair liz cheney emphasizing the committee's work and progress. >> this is, in my view, the single most important investigation i think the congress has ever done because of the subject matter and the work of the committee and the commitment of the committee members and other staff reflects that. >> when do you think you'll start seeing behind closed door testimony, subpoenaed witnesses? >> i think you will see continued very clear, aggressive and serious progress over the coming weeks. >> the looming threat from within is where we start this hour. clint watts is back, former consultant to the fbi counterterrorism division. now a distinguished research fellow at the foreign policy research institute. also joining our coverage, carol leonnig, national investigative reporter for the "washington post." and punchbowl news founder jake sherman is here. lucky for us, all three msnbc contributors. jake, i want to start with you and somethin

now, representative bennie thompson who chairs the select committee investigating january 6th tells cnntee could be sending out more subpoenas this week, though he wouldn't specify who would be in this next group, he did say it would likely be a broader group associated with the trump white house and potentially individuals who have been charged with crimes associated with january 6th. the house select committee's quest to get information about former president trump as part of its investigation into the january 6th insurrection may soon be coming to a head. trump faces a looming deadline for exerting executive privilege to block subpoenas for four of his closest allies and other requests for documents. >> a bias, hit job that is wasting everybody's time. >> committee member, slof lofgr >> we are taking civil action and criminal action. >> lawmakers are taking testimony from the defendants who have been charged in the january 6th riot to provide an account of why they traveled to washington that day to join the mob. this comes as former president trump continues his baseless attacks on

i talked to the chairman of the committee bennie thompson who made it clear this could take time to play comply, expect the house to move forward with contempt proceedings. >> well, criminal contempt is on the table. we've discussed it. and if it comes to that there will be no reluctance at all on the committee to do it. >> reporter: with the subpoenas, it feels like you're really trying to zig into what donald trump's mind-set was on that date. is that right? >> we feel those four individuals have clear information as to what donald trump was doing on that day. >> reporter: now thompson also acknowledged it's going to take some time if these individuals decide to fight this out in court. we don't know if they're going to do that yet, but if they do, this could be a drawn-out process that could potentially stymie the investigation which is expected to continue up to the midterm election of next year. sometimes, it can take years to play out in court. thompson acknowledged that. also said there are people coming forward with voluntary information, ineven in the trump administration. and i

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chair bennie thompson set this roughly spring goal for them to wrap up their investigation, and democratswing that they really learned from what happened during their very first impeachment inquiry against former president donald trump where he stonewalled a lot of these requests to get people to appear voluntarily and produce documents to committees investigating his call with ukrainian leaders, whereas, now they're moving very quickly to subpoenas and ramping up the investigation and going right at trump's inner circle to try to figure out exactly what happened and like you said, who knew what and when they knew it. >> so we have seen trump allies previously dodge subpoenas, but that was when the former president was still in office. now that he's not in power any longer, is there more of a chance we actually see these four significant aides testify before congress? >> absolutely. i mean, the biden justice department has indicated they will be more supportive of people coming to testify before congressional committees and their investigations and it certainly helps now that many of thes

congressman bennie thompson did not specify who might receive those, only that it may be individualsiated with the former administration as well as those already charged with crimes associated with the capitol riot. now, the news comes ahead of the highly-anticipated testimony tomorrow involving the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general mark milley. when asked about reports in multiple recent books about milley's fears about the actions of the former president during the final days of his presidency. meanwhile, congresswoman liz cheney, one of two republicans on the committee, airing her concerns about the direction of the republican party, its support for the big lie, and republican leader in the house kevin mccarthy. >> what he's done is embrace donald trump. and if i were doing what he is doing, i -- i would be deeply ashamed of myself. i don't know how you explain that to your children. there are people who supported donald trump because of his policies. but there's a difference between somebody who voted for donald trump and being the republican leader after an insurrec

commission chair congressman bennie thompson seems to have instructed his investigators to go hard ore big names, donald, melania, the trump kids, rudy giuliani, steve bannon. they've getting records from 15 social media companies, not just facebook and twitter but parlor and 4chan and all those creepy places on the web where desk terrorists hide. there will be records from federal agencies that will be the most productive. we're going to get all political appointees, what they knew about any attempts to supports the big lie in the federal government. jonathan, my favorite might be the request for all documents related to the stability of donald trump or his fitness for office. >> ooh. actually that is -- that is -- wow. i can't wait to see what those results entail. jared, so then what do we need to know about september 18? >> i think a lot of the coverage we've been seeing about september 18 has quite frankly been hyperbolic, based on the analysis we're seeing. this rally that's planned for september 18 is going to potentially be very significant, but maybe not in the sense that it

but will they comply or more likely as chairman bennie thompson put it, be recalcitrant. >> well i thinkdoubt, and you've seen this from the republican party's posture on investigating the entire insurrection is, they want nothing to do with this, they are going to delay, they're going to participate they'll do all these things. but i think your previous guests are likely in some way to be compelled to deliver some testimonies. and while i think steve bannon is maybe the most exciting name there i, to me the most interesting one is the former chief of staff mark meadows. it is unimaginable that mark meadows wouldn't know everything that have been that day. every movement that donald trump made. and every update that was coming in or request from the pentagon, or from the fbi, would've been funneled into the fbi through this chief of staff office. so he would know everything there was to know about that day. and i think he is going to be the most interesting witness. >> some we michael steele have a couple pieces of breaking news that i want to ask you about. we just got a tweet from coun

hill, the first subpoenas from the january 6th select committee on the insurrection chairman bennie thompsonatic of mississippi, announcing he issued subpoenas for four people with very close ties to former president trump they are mark meadows, the former white house chief of staff and his deputy dan scavino and steve bannon, former top trump advisor who ran his 2016 campaign, plus kash patel, a former department of defense official the committee is seeking documents and, get this, testimony. no word of a response yet from any of the four. >>> one charger to rule them all. think of it. lawmakers in the european union are set to impose a standard charging cord for all smartphones, tablets, and headphones the new law aims to cut electronic waste and make life easier for everybody all of the devices sold in the e.u. must be powered with the usbc port which is used by android phones and a lot of other devices. the proposal could spell big trouble tore apple because it uses those lightning cords that charge iphones and ipads the company argued that strict regulation mandating one type of connect

but the chairman of the committee benny thompson says they do not appear by mid-october for the closedrecords as the committee requested. they'll move forward with contempt proceedings in the house. >> well, criminal contempt is on the table. we discussed it. if it comes to that. there will be no reluctant on the committee to do it. >> based on the subpoenas, sir, it feels like you're trying to dig into what donald trump's mindset was on that day in the run up. is that right? >> we think those four individuals have clear information as to what donald trump was doing on that day. >> so thompson also acknowledged, though, that if these individuals defy the subpoenas and even if they do go the contempt route it could get tied up in court for some time. he said they are plainly aware that this could, in fact, get wrapped up in court. but he said that he is hopeful that they'll come forward and he is getting information from other ways of getting a number of documents, thousands of pages of documents that they have requested and also voluntary witnesses coming forward. and i asked him, will

power and a big part of the reason is that the democrats on the committee including of course, benny thompsonthis to be seen as a bipartisan and investigation that is devoid of politics. this is evident when they put her on the committee to begin with, and elevating her to the two position is a show of confidence in her even though she is at loggerheads with the democratic party with this $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill, and at odds with the president with the withdrawal of afghanistan troops, and so they believe this is a show, and attempt by the democrats to convey they won't let other political disagreements get in the way of the desire to get to the truth of this, and of course, liz cheney has accepted that position. >> sahil kapur with that update. >>> and now, joining us is joe neguse who sits on the democratic committee, and first, the reaction of liz cheney's elevation to vice chair of the january 6th committee, and we also have a letter from andy biggs to what is the usual suspects and say it respectfully of the conservative republicans who had it out with her, and marjorie taylor

should come as no surprise yesterday when the chair of the committee, democratic congressman bennie thompson of mississippi, said that we, quote, will probably as a committee issue subpoenas either to witnesses or organizations within a week. this comes as politico is reporting the committee member, congressman adam schiff of california, has admitted to a more aggressive approach when it comes to issuing the subpoenas saying the committee is going to forgo some of the time consuming steps that have dogged previous investigations. he did not stop there. separate from the work of the committee, congressman schiff introduced a bill today along with other members of the congress that aims to set new limits on presidential power. congressman adam schiff joins me now. first tell me what this bill would do and why it's necessary in the wake of what we have experienced. >> this bill is really modelled after what congress did post watergate, when they enacted a series of reforms designed to address the abuses during the nixon administration. this package of reforms enforces and expedites congressiona

it dez sadm schiff, bennie thompson and nancy pelosi's attempts to strong arm private companies to turn over individuals private data would put every american with a phone or computer in the cross hairs of surveillance run by democrat positions. a republican majority will not forget and will stand with americans to hold them fully accountable under the law. this is not a threat of violence, but it is certainly a threat he's making in response to this. >> well, it's a threat and it's a threat premised on a falsehood, that somehow asking these companies to preserve records or ultimately to turn over records of people involved in an insurrection is somehow against the law. that's just flat wrong. but mccarthy, look, he's scared. and i think his boss is scared. they didn't want this commission and this select committee to go forward. they certainly didn't want it to go forward as it is on a bipartisan basis, and they don't want the country to know exactly what they were involved in. and you can see why. i mean these two stories are not unrelated to each other. his caucus, his conference mem

. >> this is a significant move by the chair of the committee, benny thompson by appointing liz cheneyvice chair. our reporting has shown for the last several weeks that democrats on this january 6th select committee have been really impressed by representative cheney. so there's always been talk about putting her as vice chair of this committee. it has happened now and it's happened now in part, we think, because there's a new member of the republican conference, representative biggs. he's not a new member, but a new ask from leader mccarthy to remove representative cheney and another republican from the committee, adam kinzinger and it is not to have them as spies within the republican conference and he doesn't want them on it anymore. so her elevation to the vice chair of this is significant because it attempts to show the bipartisanship of this commit and there are also politics at play here as well as there are still lots of republicans in the house republican conference who are not happy with their role. andrea? >> and yamiche, what about the committee itself? how quickly can the

and now cheney and the select committee chair, benny thompson, are hitting back slamming mccarthy for making, quote, baseless claims during a recent interview, falsely stating that the department of justice has concluded that the former president was not involved in the insurrection. it's a lot to swallow. joining me now democratic representative debbie dingell of michigan the house senior whip and cochair of the house democratic policy and communications committee. congresswoman dingell, good morning to youment thank you for being with us. let me ask you about this first of all, the january 6th committee, the idea liz cheney is number two on that committee and they are asking for communications. we know kevin mccarthy was in communication with donald trump that day and if you want to get to the bottom of who knew what was happening and how, it seems to be standard procedures that we need to find out what those communications were all about. >> ali, i think people have to look, the american people knew better what was happening than those of us who were trapped on the house floor at t

investigating the january 6th insurrection has a new vice chair, on thursday the committee chairman benny thompson cheney would serve as the panel's number two. house republicans have not been happy with cheney or republican congressman adam kinzinger for joining the investigation. so republicans from the hard right freedom caucus have asked house gop leadership to change party rules in order to remove cheney and kinzinger from the republican conference referring to them as, quote, spies for democrats. arizona congressman andy bigs writing in a letter, quote, many of the coming discussions in house republican conference meetings will likely revolve around our defense against the democrats perpetuation of the false narrative that january 6th was an insurrection. the false narrative that january 6th was an insurrection. what better way to continue downplaying that insurrection, which is what it was, than by getting rid of the most prominent republicans who actually admit that the insurrection happened. and now federal officials are worried that january 6th could potentially happen again. another ral

this is a significant statement by the chair of the committee, benny thompson, who is of course a closespeaker pelosi that they want to a bipartisan committee, elevating a republican helps speak to that. they want the american public to trust the findings on what happened january 6th and what led to it. >> sahil, thank you. >>> coming up on the show, the taliban says it captured the last province in afghanistan that was not under its control. the latest on the chaotic situation still unfolding, next. i order my groceries online now. shingles doesn't care. i keep my social distance. shingles doesn't care. i stay within my family bubble. shingles doesn't care. because if you've had chicken pox, you're already carrying the virus that causes shingles. in fact, about 1 in 3 people will develop shingles, and the risk only increases as you age. so what can protect you against shingles? shingrix protects. now you can protect yourself from shingles with a vaccine proven to be over 90% effective. shingrix is a vaccine used to prevent shingles in adults 50 years and older. shingrix does not protec

letters were signed by bennie thompson. the letter to steve bannon says "the select committee has reason to believe that you have information relevant to understanding important activities that lead to and informed the events at the capitol on january 6. you have been identified as present at the willard hotel on january 5th, 2021 during an effort to persuade members of congress to block the certification of the election the next day. you are quoted as stating on january 5, 2021 that all hell is going to break lose tomorrow." the letter to mark meadows says, quote, you were with or in the vicinity of president trump on january 6 and had communications with the president and others on january 6 regarding events at the capitol. it has been reported that you were engaged in multiple elements telephone planning and efforts to contest the presidential election and delay the counting of the electoral votes. according to documents provided by the department of justice, while you were the president's chief of staff, you directly co

i have another piece of capitol hill news to share with you today, the congressman benny thompson thery 6 committee said that the committee intends to issue more subpoenas this week. this comes after the committee issued their first subpoenas last week to four close trump confidants including his former chief of staff mark meadows. when asked who might be on the receiving end of the new subpoenas he said they will be similar to the first batch of trump associates but a bit more broad. congresswoman liz cheney told our capitol hill team today that a number of individuals are voluntarily coming forward to talk to the committee but she would not say no ohio those folks were. >>> coming up i will speak to congressman mike braun of indiana as his party has decided to sit on the sidelines in the debt ceiling issue threatening an economic catastrophe. issue g an economic catastrophe. (vo) singing, or speaking. reason, or fun. daring, or thoughtful. sensitive, or strong. progress isn't either or progress is everything. hey hun hey, get your own vapors relax with vicks vapobath or with vicks v

. >> yeah, the chairman of the committee, benny thompson of mississippi, he said -- he told reportersng subpoenas as early as this week. he didn't say where they're going. they have a list of targets, they have hundreds of people they want to talk to including a lot of -- >> okay, but i got who they want to talk to. how about the recipients of said subpoenas, the likelihood they're going to actually adhere? >> it depends. you can't just ignore a congressional subpoena unless you have the grounds to do so. now -- >> i don't even know what that means. >> well, if you have the grounds -- if you are a regular plain citizen, congress subpoenas you, you know, you are a regular run-of-the-mill person you have to go talk to congress. that's a subpoena, they can enforce that. now, if you are a member of congress, they can also subpoena, if you are a member of the house they can subpoena you, that's also something they can do. if you're former president trump or you're former senior administration official, you do have -- there is an executive privilege issue here that is probably going to end

but the january 6th committee's chairman democrat bennie thompson, vice chair republican liz cheney shothis anonymous report was first published, the select committee queried the executive branch agencies and congressional committees involved in the investigation. we've received answers in briefings from the relevant entities and it's been made clear to us that reports of such a conclusion are baseless. we will continue to pursue all elements of this investigation in a non-partisan and thorough manner." the investigation is likely to have something to show this week. two weeks ago that was when the january 6th committee demanded records from eight federal agencies relating to the attack involving or related to more than 30 people including rudy giuliani, mark meadows, trump's chief of staff. trump's three eldest children, ivanka trump, eric trump and donald trump jr. first lady melania trump. former national security adviser michael flynn. and former white house chief strategist steve bannon. chairman thompson set a deadline of september 9th for the records and that is this thursday. sen

finally again once again, my good friend, chairman bennie thompson, for ensuring that this bill quickly received the consideration it deserves. i urge my colleagues to support this important legislation. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the gentleman from mississippi, mr. thompson, reserves. the gentleman from mississippi, mr. guest, is recognized. mr. guest: thank you, mr. speaker. at this time i have no further speakers. i urge all members to support this bill. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from mississippi, mr. guest, yields back the balance of his time of the the gentleman from mississippi , mr. mr. thompson: thank you, mr. speaker. mr. speaker, i yield myself the balance of the time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman virginia tech. mr. thompson: with sophisticated cyber criminals operating overseas launching ransomware attacks on our schools, it's essential that the federal government step up efforts to support the cybersecurity of our schools. without more assistance, many of our nation's school di

committee vice chair republican liz cheney joined chairman and democratic member of congress benny thompsonccarthy suggestion last week that the doj found trump said, quote, trump had no involvement in the insurrection. they call it baseless and inconsistent with mccarthy's own statements from the week following the january 6th insurrection. joining our coverage, betsy with ridge swan, national correspondent for politico and also msnbc contributors. clare is still here. betsy, i don't like to ask where the line is for any house democrat, but i'll ask you -- it feels like it was an open secret for a while, among chris wallace who pushed kevin mccarthy, among liz cheney who dangled this information about kevin mccarthy needing to be a fact witness, now among people covering jim jordan who is sort of humbling about how many times and how he talked to donald trump. what is the operating thesis of what they are hiding specifically as it regards records? >> specifically but the select committee is looking for is any sort of phone records showing when and for how long these republican members of c