haidi: marcelo claure speaking with caroline hyde in that exclusive conversation.on has almost tripled to $14 billion in five months, making it the world's fifth most valuable start up after bytedance, stride, spacex, and current a bank. let's get more. this is a huge jump in valuations for this australian design platform. what is behind the momentum? >> it is a massive jump. not only tripling the last valuation, but if you go back, with 2019, the company valued at $3.2 billion. extraordinary, in terms of the valuation. it says a lot about the business , it is revenue positive. you look at the list of investors, some pretty blue-chip names. not only in terms of venture capital, experience venture capital, but late stage investors and other blue-chip investment funds that can start playing that late stage venture capital kind of way. especially being an australian company, getting u.s. investors, but local appetites. there has been secondaries where they look at pension funds that want to do more in the tech space. shery: what is driving growth for the business? >>