a so much a stigma and, what i later found was the overlay of kind of transmutation of what michelle alexander called the new jim crow with the whole drug war thing. i found myself fascinated with all this stuff that was on top of a just a very simple, basic, ridiculously easy public health. : : whatever reason george dragged me into that mess. again, glorious kismet. i felt that i was really fortunate to meet the folks that were involved with that. i think one of the things with mya's work is there are so many stories. you know, i think maia did a very skillful job playing out a lot of significant stories while knowing she was cherry picking. you could still be writing the stories. right. so many of the people who are no longer with us. to bring that, i really appreciate it. >> i was like, okay. know something about public health. is living in the bay area where a big chunk of my friends died of hiv. >> there are so many things and what you just said. some people watching will be surprised. surprised to hear, you are doing this very pragmatic, obvious thing. what was the resistance that you s