plus an amazing interview with sidney powell. she has been assailed over her lawsuit, but not sure she as ever been asked this before. >> do you hear yourself and think it sounds ridiculous? >> no. i know myself very well. i have been in me a long time. >> i have been in me a long time. that's one the virtual moments about a documentary about right-wing media and the big election lie. more on that as well. >>> we begin with the fight over abortion rights. texas republicans enacted one of the strictest laws after years of push back from democrats. in the summer of 2013, then-state senator wendy davis filibustered for 11 hours to stall the vote on a bill to ban abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. despite delaying the vote the bill passed and way signed by rick perry weeks later. former stekz state senator and founder of deed not words is joining me now. thanks for joining us on this. we appreciate it. are there any options left for democrats in texas with this law? >> well, absolutely. we are going to fight this, of course, as h

to early january where he's working in the room or on the phone directly with trump allies like sidney powell as they attempt to overturn the election or to block joe biden from gaining the

although it was nice that we briefly got to meet sidney powell as another psychotic character in this mess i assume she went back to her original job as the chicken from paw patrol or the head master telling orphans they will never get adopted. "you are too old, nobody loves you. also, in retrospect, it's maybe a tell that they knew they were lying that rudy is sweating profusely. it looks like he just walked in from a rave. even knowing that all these claims were lies, trump's lawyers still crafted a plan for over throwing the election, specifically a lawyer named john eastman he wrote a detailed memo laying out a path for vice president mike pence to invalidate electoral college votes and throw the election to trump. and remember, while this was happening, trump and his cronies were also coordinating with a justice department official named jeffrey clark to issue a statement claiming there was widespread fraud in the election a plan for a coup, that became very close to pulling off. >> stunning new details on donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election from the new book per

remember, he had at one point disavowed sidney powell, said she didn't work for him anymore. he's apparently perfectly willing to have people go out and say, you know, crazy things, untrue things, on various conserative media outlets that are on his behalf. as long as it keeps the churn going, the basic argument out there in the political bloodstream that there was something amiss with the election and that he has some grounds for continuing to fight that. it is basically his narrative for why he might run again. he never says 100% he is going to, but many indications are that he will. in the meantime, to keep the energy going, keep money coming in, and keep people talking about him, you have things like this happening. i wonder whether there will be calls for trump to disavow this. if so, i guess we'll see whether he feels that this was a bridge too far. >> well, yeah. knowing his past, jonathan lemire, it would be quite a deviation for him to do that. i don't need to remind anybody around this table that he actually accused me of murdering somebody just because he was mad o

someone associated with sidney powell puts people's information at risk and raises all kinds of legal's why we went to court today and that's why we simply will not let these republican leaders in the senate get away with this. >> can you tell me about the decision why you chose to bring this suit, in addition to the entire committee and the chairman of the committee that's conducting this investigation, why did you include the republican leader in the state senate, the republican senate president as a defendant here? why was that important? >> because the republican senate tried to say he represented donald trump before responding to this. this is who the modern day republican party is, and these politicians who issued and backed these subpoenas, including the leader of the state senate, they have sold out pennsylvanians who value small government, who value their privacy to fuel a lie and to undermine the way we run elections and have run elections for generations. and they're doing it because, rachel, they believe their own power is more important than your constitutional rights. t

prior election experience, was scheduled to meet with pro-tump attorney and pusher of the lie sidney powell. by late november, staying at the home of another pro-trump attorney, lin wood. former trump national security adviser michael flynn and former overstock ceo patrick byrne to subpoena voting machines across the country. days before the deadly insurrection, a logan written documented filled with election fraud claims is given to paul as a bid to pressure u.s. senators for vice president pence to delay certifying the election overall. and then by early february, logan again talking to the republican state senate president karen fann a month before she ordered the audit and said logan's cyber ninjas firm would lead it. outfront now the reporter behind all of this reporting, "the arizona republic's" jen fiefield. so for months there's been questions about doug logan, the cyber ninjas group. who is he? how did this come about because they've never done an audit before and have no experience at all in auditing. so you looked into it. how connected is doug logan to trump allies? >> first, th

afternoon, dominion voting systems can move forward with defamation lawsuits against rudy giuliani, sidney powelllow ceo, mike lindell >> are you just reading this for the first time >> i'm just -- can you believe that that is horrible, everybody. your first amendment rights to free speech just got blown out of the water it's over. you can get sued for everything now. nothing matters anymore. >> seth: watching someone get bad news, in real-time, at their own symposium, is my new kink. this is like if tony robbins lost it during one of his self-help seminars "you have to push out your negative feelings and take control of your emotions hold on, it's my assistant what do you mean they don't have blue cheese? what kind of self-respecting just salad runs out of blue cheese i will not call don pablo. my whole day is ruined now!" also, i like how lindell suddenly takes on the exhausted energy of a substitute teacher when he's trying to sell everyone how much deep [ bleep ] he's in. "hey, guys listen up, please. oh, come on, guys. if we don't do the lesson plan, we can't watch 'free willy' on laser disk

after the election indicated the campaign knew that claims from trump lawyers rudy giuliani and sidney powellthat a voting machine company dominion had worked with a software company, financier george soros and venezuela to steal the election. >> the machines were easily accessible to hackers. >> reporter: the memos said the trump campaign knew they were false campaigns was obtained by the "new york times" from court papers this. comes as we get new details on the extraordinary pressure that trump and his legal team put on then vice president mike pence to throw out the election results on january 6th. >> if mike pence does the right thing we win the election. >> trump and a controversial lawyer named john eastman tried to convince pence that he could overturn the results on january 1th when congress officially counted the electoral votes by throwing out electors from seven states. that's according to the new book "peril" by bob woodward and robert costa of "the washington post." >> this memo shows with stark and i think chilling clarity that president trump himself was plotting a coup, worki

part of what you have to do is do exactly what the reporter from australia did to sidney powell.we have to be aggressive. we're so afraid of insulting these people. so afraid of -- of -- of them -- i don't know -- rebelling that we won't confront them directly. we won't confront tucker carlson for what he's doing. he's fueling fascism. we won't confront these people directly and say out loud they're really -- you do it every day. it seems to me the democrats have to do it more aggressively. it seems to me -- how do i put this? the presumption of our faith in the process is giving them space to undo it. they're taking advantage of our faith in the process to undo democracy itself. >> john hileman now joins us. john, this is a conversation you and i have on and off television. the democrats are the only party interested in governing. what they miss about the republicans is the audacity to be ma lev lent. the advancement is it's out in the open. the advancement is that sidney powell has the audacity to say what she said and now think there's a defense. the audacity of tucker carlson

again, it's from sidney powell, a known and proven liar, currently being sued for over $1 billion fromve dominion and smartmatic but she does invoke the united states supreme court we didn't play that interview because the supreme court hasn't responded whether there was any credence to it but all the institutions have now been invoked as being in on the coup plot. donald trump was on the phone every day with his department of justice. he name checks, leave it to me and my buddies in congress and sidney powell, who was for a while donald trump's top attorney in this, it's reported in "peril" by robert costa that donald trump considered making her a special counsel and giving her a job inside the government. she said in this interview dan goldman is talking about that the plan was to kick it to the united states supreme court. >> well, when dan just called her a lawyer it felt like fingernails on a blackboard. i don't think she deserves that title. by the way she has conducted herself. lawyers, when they take their oath, in front of a court, i might add. when you become a lawyer, the oa

steal the election and as billions and damages are at stake and defamation suits against attorney sidney powell and laughing stock, rudolph giuliani and fox news for reporting the scams. the new york times is now published in its entirety and internal trump campaign memo detailing that the allegations were untrue. they knew it was a lie, a big lie, jesse, you knew trump, and i say knew because 1998 when you were elected and trump was very interested in your playbook. that was a long time ago. what makes this guy tick? well, the best thing i can tell you, how am donald trump is a con man. always has been and always will be. he came to wash at the time we showed interest, we were a new party, the reform party we were trying to get established. were looking for anything that is going to put us in the spotlight and try to get us established as a legitimate 3rd party. having said that, donald trump's politics back van were much different than what they are today. and i think calculating everything he looked at where his best opportunity was. he's a smart man, but he's also a con man. and he looked a

after the election indicated the campaign knew that claims from trump lawyers rudy giuliani and sidney powelllse. claims that a voting machine company dominion had worked with a software company, financier george soros and venezuela to steal the election. >> the machines were easily accessible to hackers. >> reporter: they knew the claims were false according to new york papers. we have new details the extraordinary pressure president trump put on mike pence to overthrow january 6. >> if mike pence does the right thing we win the election. >> reporter: a controversial lawyer east man tried to convince pence he could overturn when they counted the electoral votes by throwing out electors from seven states. that is according to a new book "peril" by bob kosta and bob woodward of the "washington post." >> this shows with clarity that president trump himself was plotting a coup, working with his minions in the white house. >> reporter: a six-point memo by eastman laid out a plan for pence to overturn the election for trump which included throwing out the results in seven states because those stat

information to unreliable third parties, won't even commit to not providing it to someone like sidney powellven trust to walk my dog let alone with confidential information about our voters in philadelphia. >> well, then, that leads me to this question. what about the audit? who would have access to these voters' personal data because the audit firm in arizona, the cyber ninjas widely addressed -- access, excuse me. had access to these voting booths, and it has been a disaster. i mean they have to -- they're going to have to redo and get new voting booths, get new machines. >> and why anyone would want to repeat what's going on or replicate what's going on in arizona in the commonwealth of pennsylvania or other states around our country is beyond me. it's a joke, and it would be a funny one if it didn't have real consequences that are damaging to our system of government. >> commissioner, this is a very important subject. i'm sure we'll have you back to discuss. we thank you for appearing this evening. you be well and be safe. >> thank you, sir. you too. >>> an atlanta elementary school in t

losing his license, at least temporarily, in two jurisdictions, other fines being brought against sidney powellngs but it's about violence that culminated on at least one occasion in the insurrection we saw on january 6. that could happen again. so you're right to raise the issue and right to sound the alarm. i think the place for good people to keep talking about it, to try to talk some sense into reasonable minded people and officials in government because the next time around, we might not have people who push back against their own party and put party over country. that worries me a lot. >> amanda, as preet mentioned, the threat of violence, capitol police preparing for a rally next saturday, police are preparing for armed protesters. we saw exactly what people are capable of when they believe that big lie. are you worried we could see another incident, another attack like the one in january? >> yeah, i'm worried about the u.s. capitol. i'm worried about capitols all over the country that have become targets for political violence. we had january 6. in recent weeks a guy having a bomb threa

in other words, internally, within the campaign, while rudy giuliani and sidney powell were going out there to hold these press conferences, they knew it was bs. >> they did. and this is exactly what dana was talking about, and it turns out according to this reporting in the times that they were well aware that they didn't have anything to back this up. why does this matter in this moment, why is it coming out now because of course dominion voting's business was badly damaged by what the trump campaign, and other right wing media outlets were willing to say about their business and credibility, and there are lawsuits digging up new information like this in addition to of course the reporting that our colleagues at the times are doing, and you know, this just underscores again, and i share with dana a struggle sometimes to find words for this because, you know, the reality is we all knew this. you used the phrase bs. everybody knew it was bs at the time. whether they were part of the trump campaign or part of, you know, the democratic opposition. those of us who were trying to make it

just days after the campaign determined the voting fraud conspiracies had no merit, sidney powell and rudolph giuliani held a press conference where they continued to level the false claims. meanwhile, the new book by "washington post" journalists bob woodward and robert costa says a lawyer on trump's legal team tried to convince then-vice president mike pence that he could overturn trump's election loss by throwing out electors from seven states. and caribbean political philosopher charles mills died at the age of 70. a longtime educator, mills was most recently distinguished professor of philosophy at the city university of new york. his landmark book "the racial contract" challenged the de-racialized framework of the "social contract." mills wrote -- "white supremacy is the unnamed political system that has made the modern world what it is today." and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. when we come back, cuba is denouncing the united states for intensifying its economic lactate while the island is facing a surge in c

as they were making these arguments in court that the trump campaign was based on a lie even as sidney powell and other lawyers attacked and determined that the allegations were untrue. a two-part question to you, professor, as you might give to one of your students, one, what is the legal significance of any of this because there are open cases that are testing and putting pressure on some of these lawyers. and, two, is it ultimately encouraging to you that this stuff didn't work or discouraging that it got as far as it did? >> i think resulting from the mission there was perhaps knowledge already that these were false claims, there could be repercussions and sanctions of the lawyers filing these claims and maybe dismissing it outright. it goes from the batsz of what we're -- basis of what we're seeing and there was an attempt to push a constitutional law into effect. they know it was unconstitutional. they know if they challenged this under the proper channels, it would have been joined immediately. we're seeing the same impulses, the same cynicism migrate into other aspects of our legal sy

now, powell's defense -- sidney powell, who you saw there -- it makes more sense now that you know that. the defense was, no reasonable person could believe what she says. now, that makes sense because she and her lawyers know that trump's own staffers thought it was ridiculous, so why wouldn't everybody else? giuliani and powell have both been sued by dominion and smartmatic for defamation. let's see if this tried and true trumper type defense saves them. i call it that not to be pejorative but to point out a pattern. with big mouths on the right shouting that everything they don't like is fake only to then beg courts to see that they were clearly faked themselves so if they get sued, they can't be trying to defame anybody. you're not supposed to take them seriously. powell did it. alex jones. remember? he said he was only acting when he was held to account for his behavior in court. fox's tucker carlson. what did his lawyers argue? oh, no, no, no. he can't be slandering you. he's not to be seen as credible. that's their basic argument. now, of course their audiences and people on the

according to the times, the trump campaign knew the claims were untrue before rudy giuliani and sidney powell'sress conference. the memo finding anyone onthe not have ties to venezuela, george soros or anyone on. it is unclear whether the president knew. it is likely trump was unaware of the findings. pointing to the motion they obtained that alleges the trump campaign continued to allow its agents to advance debunked conspiracy theories without providing with their own research debunking the theories. giuliani saying he had not seen it before his presentation and also questioning the author's motives saying they wanted trump to lose because they could raise more money. trump continues to say without proof that the election was stolen. >> we won the election, but what are you going to do? >> reporter: former lawyers giuliani and powell contend with the legal fallout of their claim. dominion filed lawsuits against the two, and my pillow ceo mike lindell. now, what is striking about this memo, a lot of it is publicly available information, easy to find, and it is strike to go see these attorneys

. >> yeah, i mean, donald trump hand picked a bunch of lawyers like rudy giuliani and sidney powell and linwood who kind of told him what he wanted to hear, but the striking thing is he couldn't even pick enough lawyers to believe his big lies and that's what this new story and new reporting indicates that the trump campaign itself knew that this voting stuff was all cockamamie, and i think this will all be introduced in the litigation. but it's more than just who wins a lawsuit, lawrence, at the end of the day. it's just about the fundamental anti-american despicable lying president that we had before. and you know, again, this is not about politics. this has got to be about just truth, justice, the american way. >> the -- as that lawsuit goes forward, presumably it will be all sorts of procedural delays that the trump supporting side can try to -- try to do and in civil litigation, there's an awful lot of them. it seems like we are constantly going to have through the discovery process of that lawsuit more and more information like that come out. >> 100%, drip, drip, drip, it's going

lawsuit showing a trump campaign wrote a memo debunking some of the wilder claims coming from sidney poweller trump lawyers and dominion, the voting machine company somehow manipulated votes away from trump, had ties to venezuela but didn't say anything about it so is that major news today? do people still care? journalists obviously do care. >> journalists care about conflict, and we certainly see it here. what intrigues me about bob woodward's new book is what it says about the disbelief on the trump camp, the trump side that he had won the election, and how bob woodward and bob costa paint a scenario there of rudy giuliani being the one who talks trump into the idea of challenging the election and claiming victory, and pushes it and pushes it again. somebody could put that bug in his ear, bill barr and others didn't go along with it and aren't going along with it now but now the foundation of a campaign for trump's second election in his mind, and we may just see that happening. >> well the reason it matters is that trump is the de facto leader of the republican party will be a factor in

already defendants who have been, as you say, accused of defamation, particularly rudy giuliani and sidney powelltainly does not help their position in that lawsuit, because first of all, it makes it seem like this is not a particularly controversial question. it's kind of obvious that these were lies. it's so obvious that the campaign itself knew they were lies. so it makes it more difficult for them to claim, oh, my god, we didn't know. the standard is that they had to have either knowledge or reckless disregard of the truth. and that makes it easier to prove those two things. second of all, there is a question of whether more lawsuits are to come. with this revelation, there is the possibility that dominion or one of dominion's former employees or current employees might bring another lawsuit or include defendants like donald trump or the trump campaign, because there is an increasing sense that they may have had knowledge that some things they were putting out were false when they put it out. that makes a pretty strong defamation case. >> thanks for your reporting and your insights, appreciat

. >> wait what, that was trump lawyer sidney powell who pushed the big lie that the election was rigged-- i hugo swab as the who was that for seven years meddled in the election from beyond the grave via some software that was obviously outlandish. also not true. we now know thanks to a defamation lawsuit against the trump campaign, that while they were pushing those compares the theories, members inside the trump campaign knew they were ally. this is an internal memo assembled by trump campaign staffers on november 14th, that would be five days before, and look at the very first paid. dominion has no direct ties to venezuela. it says has not direct ties, but i don't think they really prove read this document, they don't do that over there. now that member was put together, like i said five days before sydney powell went on tv cleaning otherwise. this is just the latest string of information we're learning about how the trump campaign was willing to lie. and do everything and anything necessary to claim the election was rigged. even though they knew it wasn't. barbara mcclain is a forme

he was asked to reassure the democrats are you going to choose a firm that's not connected to sidney powellump's former lawyer. he couldn't assure he would do that. choose a firm that is not related to any of these previous presidential candidates, anyone who ran last november. he couldn't assure them of that. what they're trying to do is get personal information for millions and millions of voters and say trust us, we'll keep this safe and secure. >> the governor in this case is one of the many people who is up in arms about what's happening. but what are opponents of this actually doing? >> right. democrats as you imagine in pennsylvania are livid about this. they think there's no reason to do another post election audit and a huge security concern. the governor will do everything he can to stop it but so far it's not clear what action they'll be able to take. we don't know if the pennsylvania department of state will comply with this subpoena. we don't know what they may might try to challenge it. the governor might try to challenge it. we know democrats in the pennsylvania senate are pl

there's already a lawsuit against rudy giuliani, sidney powell, the trump campaign, this is just great has real legs, too. >> okay. michael cohen, come see me again anytime. i appreciate you and your time with us, and thank you so much. have a great saturday. >> alex, like i said, 57 more days you got me. anytime you need me. >> great, i got you. >>> what is happening today on capitol hill could determine the fate of president biden's ambitious spending plan. a congressman playing a key role in that effort joins me next. a e in that effort joins me next with secret, keep it fresh. available in over 10 amazing scents and aluminum free. secret that delicious omelet was microwaved? get outta here. everybody's a skeptic. paper money. it's the future! get outta here. i'm leaving with my gold. it's not crazy. help me, mother. it's an omelet. just crack an egg. we gave new zzzquil pure zzzs restorative herbal sleep it's an omelet. to people who were tired of being tired. i've never slept like this before. i've never woken up like this before. crafted with clinically studied plant-based ingred

he had somehow put himself in the small group, including rudy giuliani and sidney powell. tape, but what he said was try to get -- can you get rid of these some of these mail-in ballots that don't seem to be kosher. now relative to trump, he could say that he was in trying to do anything, and he has already tonight. it so it's a separate case to make. on the other hand, we know that the voluntary interviews they have done with the secretary of state's office have focused very much on this call and lindsey graham as well as on trump. so they're certainly pointing in that direction. he was certainly more than five it's at the time. he was trumps emissary as far as anyone could tell. ask him nine reasons, but there he was, out there trying to propound the big lie. >> if you ever feel like you are losing grasp of just how bad donald trump was, just how corrupt he was, just how heinous he was in private phone calls he never thought would be, heard listen to the whole phone call again. thank goodness he didn't succeed. thank you gentlemen for the. coverage when we come back, pre

when he was pressed about will they have ties to conspiracy theorists, one senator brought up sidney powellowed up and said, well, is that possible? and he said, yeah, it's absolutely possible. so i don't think they're considering their own election, their own ballot or really anything other than pressure from both their base and then also former president trump to just continue litigating the 2020 election. >> neal katyal, again, it would be stupid and maybe funny if it wasn't dangerous and deadly. i wonder if there are federal laws that are in question of turning over all that private data in a voter file? not a voter file but on ballot, right? >> yeah, absolutely. with a request this big, the pennsylvania republicans aren't just going on a fishing expedition, they're bringing like an entire commercial trawler and asking for all of the information, a bunch of private information about 7 million voters in pennsylvania. there's a reason why states don't do anything like that. look, maybe if there was some extraordinary public reason for this, that would be one thing. but remember, this is s

around then he had put himself in small group with rudy giuliani and sidney powell.he said, try to get -- can you get rid of the mail-in ballots that don't seem to be kosher. relative to trump, could say he wasn't trying to do anything untoward, and he's already denied it. it's separate case to make. on the other hand, we know the voluntary interviews they've done with the secretary of state's office focused very much on this call and graham as well as trump. pointing in that direction. and he was certainly more than kibbutzing at the time, he was being trump's emissary as far as anyone can tell for asinine reasons but he was trying to propound the big lie. >> if you ever feel like you're losing grasp of just how bad donald trump was, just how corrupt he was, just how heinous he was in private phone calls he didn't think would be ever heard, listen to the whole call and thank god he didn't succeed. thanks for joining me. >>> president biden campaigned to restore the soul of the country. this week he gets to show off the traits that propelled him to victory last caree

sidney powell? mike flynn?w, you have to wonder who is getting into the oval office, who is talking to the president, how far out of control could this get. again, the system isn't designed to cope with a white house full of unhinged cookes. >> what do we do, tom nichols? >> we elect better people for one thing, which we started to do, and we have a long, hard look at ourselves about things like these cold war era policies about the -- as general mccaffrey pointed out, you know, thousands of pages of legislation where the president can basically do whatever he wants, launch nuclear weapons at will. you know, we need to think about paring down some of the powers of these institutions, which grew out of control i think primarily as a response to the cold war. also, and i will say it again, because we really believed that only decent, humane, normal human beings would hold these offices, and now we've been confronted with the reality that on occasion you can get people in there who are truly awful human beings. yo

i am talking about people like steve bannon, michael flynn, linwood, sidney powell, qanon talk shows,is they weren't just talking about it on the internet. thousands of people actually went out and did it. so what we found by calling around to dozens of key counties in competitive states, we're talking about the states that decide presidential elections and who controls congress, arizona, georgia, florida, texas, pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, and we asked these county chairs, hey, all of a sudden are tons of people calling you asking to be precinct officials and mostly they said, yeah, we've never seen anything like this before. sometimes they frankly had no idea why it was happening, and sometimes they figured out that it was because of this viral episode of steve bannon's podcast. sometimes actually the county chair was a new county chair who had been elected by a lot of these newcomers to the party. so you are already seeing them start to put those powers to use and starting to have effects up the chain of the party organization. >> so here is a key point i think that your art

opinion out of a federal judge in michigan who sanctioned nine of the trump lawyers, including sidney powellrred all nine of those cases to the underlying licensing board in the states where those lawyers are licensed to practice law saying disbarment proceedings should be considered by those state bars. that's an important decision. the issue is that these lawyers licensed in texas, georgia, nevada, michigan, there are devout republicans at the highest levels of bar disciplinary boards and bar associations. it is clear whether the disbarment proceedings which should go forward are going to happen. >> and what needs perhaps to be added in framework, is there legislation to make sure that lawyers like this are held accountable. and this is happening now, we are hearing percolations of it in california. i mean, are we looking at a trend, and what are you concerned about there? >> well, this needs to be dealt with at the state level with state bar associations and disciplinary boards. new york is showing the way, the appeals court and grievance committee and new york bar association has begun d