the former governor who is running again, democrat terry mcauliffe, faced off with glen yunkin ahead of two debates before the next election. with us, james carville and mark mckinnon. james, you know this race very well. i ask you where you put this race, and ask you further, what are, if any, the national lessons for democrats from california? >> well, i don't think as of now we're looking at a 2010 or 2014 kind of year. one of the things democrats are scared of is we have a star turnout model. we're going to find out a lot in virginia come november. you know, it's critical because it's very rare that the winner of the white house will affect the governorship one year later. but kerry has been there before and yunkin has a lot of money, and it's a pretty good test going into 2022. if the democrats lose that, it will be a horrible night. that's the concern. it tells us something but not a lot. >> mark mckinnon, i am never above promoting a good book or television show, and "the circus" on showtime is among the latter category. on sunday night's edition, it is my understanding you ha