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they try to keep it below the radar but we had alex wagner, my co-host interviewed a woman very promhe critical r theory in virginia and interesting -- >> hey, mark, can e we play tha for you? >> oh, great. >> let's play that. >> i've seen what the training looks like. they call it culturally responsive training. it is definitely racist. they are putting down the child for the color of their skin. >> where do you see evidence of that? >> one particular sixth grade middle school here was a wrap s -- rap song pushing the slaughter of the native americans. the lyrics of the song was putting down andrew jackson at the time. >> i mean, i think a lot of people would credit andrew jackson with the genocide of the native population. >> yes, but how do you discuss it without -- >> denigrating whiteness. >> yeah, at what point do you forgive and stop segregating? >> well, the interesting thing about her point of view is that when we went to interview her, she's not a rogue character. she actually got the sign off from the campaign to talk to us. the clip goes on for awhile and believe me, it g

still, alex wagner talked about it with a parent of from the women's club. >> this is the wealthiest there is not a lot of racism. there are silly people that say stupid things, but if you talk about it less, you are going notice that division less. i have seen what the training looks like. they call it culturally responsive training. it is definitely racist. they are putting down the child for -- >> joining our conversation, alex wagner, co-host of showtime's "the circus" and contributing writer to the atlantic. happy to have you back in these parts. tim miller. >> i want to hear more of what she's trying to say there to you? >> there is lot there to unpack. patty is a woman that we are featuring in that interview. she's a prominent activist on the anti-critical race theory platform, if you will. she's an advocate, she runs the louden county republican women's club. she's a big voice on this. if you unpack what she's against, it's all somewhat incoherent and decidedly racist, right? on its face, critical race theory is an academic sort of line of thought that's taught largely -- and

battle grounds is in louden county, the richest county in virginia where our friend and colleague alex wagnernterviewed an activist fighting the inclusion curriculum. >> in louden county this is the wealthiest country in the country. there is not a lot of racism. do you think it's more on the color of their skin or actions? how they're dressed, how they perceive, how they respect others. if you have a kid that is pulled over by a cop, does it really matter what color they are or the respect they give to that police officer? >> so glenn youngkin is your guy. >> he doesn't want to push this racism narrative. he wants to give kids a good education. >> education has become the flash point across the country. >> you know why? >> you got to tell me. >> you don't mess with our kids. >> joining me now, is terry mcauliffe, democratic candidate for governor of virginia. sorry, i just want to let you -- >> hard to watch. >> it's a lot. this game is being played across the country where republican activists backed by some pretty big foundations are pushing this idea that teaching about history, american

alex wagner, cohost of the circus on showtime, spoke to one parent in virginia, who seems to be opposedseen what the training looks like. they call it culturally responsive training. it is definitely racist. >> it was a racial construct, people were persecuted because they were a certain race. so how do you teach about slavery, if you're not going to talk about race? >> i am a parent, i'm not an educator. >> joining us now, everton, blair chair of the when it county school board, and jonathan kaye, part opinion for the washington post, he shows of the sunday show with jonathan capehart on msnbc. jonathan, you see alex asked that question and how do you keep race out of a discussion of slavery. and then the pairing gives up, and says, i'm a parent i'm not an educator. well, okay. then why are you talking about any of this? >> right, the conversation that she had with this apparent, goes on to be more sort of, mystifying and enraging as it goes on. including her having a conversation about how, will you know, if someone is stopped by the police, and if the person is polite, and follows th