: this is aman khalili.m talking with you from qatar, the start of our travels in afghanistan that took us 144 hours to reach -- there was a guide. he drove me from my house to another safe house. i was in the safe house for 50 days. after that, he called me and said we are going to move you out of afghanistan. we came back. we traveled from -- to the border with pakistan. we had a point of contact there. it was a desert with no bushes, no humans. [indiscernible] amy: that was aman khalili, speaking from qatar where he and his family are now, after their long trip out of afghanistan. for more on how it happened and the latest on others trying to escape, we are joined by the wall street journal reporter, dion nissenbaum. he broke the story, "afghan interpreter who helped rescue joe biden in 2008 escapes afghanistan." thank you so much for joining us from brussels. can -- can you start out by laying out the journey and what took place and exactly who he was working for at the time? dion: sure. aman worked for