francis houghen. i said do you think she was a tipping point? he said i think she might be.m paraphrasing that. really? >> we'll see. that's sort of one of those open-ended questions where we have seen these tipping points happen on other issues. i think, for example, two weeks ago, we watched police reform talks fall apart after a summer of protests and activism around the murder of george floyd. there have been tipping points in recent memory on other issues where congress and the senate seemed primed to get something done, and then once they got to the 10 or 5 yard line, it fell apart. i'm not saying that's what's going to happen here, but i'm also saying that's not what's going to happen here. the more information they have that is tangible, things like what the "wall street journal" reported and the documents that houghen brought to the committee, those things help, though, and the fact it's bipartisan, i know we have seen this before, but i like to believe these movies can have other endings sometimes. it's possible. especially when these lawmakers are as outspoken as