harriet harman, labour mp, thank i anyway which is safer. hank you very much for speaking to us here on bbc news. let's pick up on that security point. joining me now is anthony glees, a security expert from the university of buckingham. this really highlights a tension in our system, doesn't it question about the cornerstone of our democracy that the people who are like those mps have ready access to them. it is a tension with achieving that, and yet at the same time making sure those mps and the people alongside them are safe. i making sure those mps and the people alongside them are safe.— alongside them are safe. i agree with ou. alongside them are safe. i agree with yom the — alongside them are safe. i agree with you. the first _ alongside them are safe. i agree with you. the first thing - alongside them are safe. i agree with you. the first thing that i i with you. the first thing that i would say is this is an appalling attack on our parliamentary democratic way of life. the second thing i would say is that good security is not the ene

harriet harman again calling for, as labour have been doing, of late, calling for dame cressida dick,overnment has done all it can to improve the situation and make sure police forces have better vetting procedures in place when it comes to recruitment. that is just happened. we have also got some breaking news that has just come into us and that concerns write to and from morocco in north africa. morocco says it will suspend flights to the uk on the national carrier royal air maroc. to the uk on the national carrier royalair maroc. it to the uk on the national carrier royal air maroc. it has been tweeting that it will be suspending its flights between the uk, germany and the netherlands from midnight tonight. the twitter thread goes on tonight. the twitter thread goes on to say that by decision of the authorities and due to the evolution of the pandemic, so it is covid related, flights to and from germany, the netherlands and uk will suspended today from midnight. reimbursement of tickets, in case you are hoping to fly off to morocco or fly you are hoping to fly off to morocco orfly

harriet harman is calling for action on this issue.to be convened. she explained to me what she hopes that will achieve. he was one of the most friendly and affable mps in parliament. he was always prepared to work with you, whichever political party you were in, if it was a cause that he felt was important. and that is why everybody with their own experience of having worked in common cause with him is feeling shocked, and feeling a sense that this is an attack on democracy. and that is why we have to really think about how we enable us as mps to do our work, to engage with our constituents, but do so in a safe way. and this cannot be just left to the government or left to the police. we have to have that discussion as parliament about what we need to change to make sure that we can keep that engagement with our constituents which is so precious and such a distinctive part of the uk's democracy, but not have a situation where this is the second murder of an mp in five years. we cannot say that as a price worth paying for our democracy

the labour mp harriet harman has called for a speaker's conference to be convened.how to keep mps say. she spoke to me about that a little earlier. everybody with having worked in common cause with them is feeling shocked and feeling a sense that this has been an attack on and that is why we have to really think about how we enable us as mps to do our work, to engage with our constituents, but do so in a safe way. and this cannot be just left to the government are left to the police. we have to have that discussion as a parliament about what we need to change to make sure that we can keep that engagement with our constituents which are so precious and such a distinctive part of the uk's democracy, but not have a situation where this is the second murder of an mp in five years. we cannot say that as a price worth paying for our democracy. 0bviously when something as shocking and unexpected and tragic as this happens, it focuses people's attention on matters of security, personal safety, but ijust wonder in the years that you have been in parliament, as it always some

has called for, so mps across— harriet harman has called for, so mps across the house can debaterd people like david _ differ. we have heard people like david davis saying they will continue and others saying things should _ continue and others saying things should he — continue and others saying things should be suspended and meetings should _ should be suspended and meetings should happen on zoom and diane abbot _ should happen on zoom and diane abbot says she wants to have meeting there awe _ abbot says she wants to have meeting there awe screen. this needs to be debated _ there awe screen. this needs to be debated properly. the entry price for a _ debated properly. the entry price for a public, a price to be paid for entry— for a public, a price to be paid for entry into — for a public, a price to be paid for entry into political life cannot be that your — entry into political life cannot be that your own life is in danger and you leave — that your own life is in danger and you leave behind five kids and a wife _ you leave behind five kids and a wife. ~ ., ., ., , , ., ,, you

we have seen harriet harman your colleague call for cressida dick to resign. do you have sympathy with that view? i'm not commenting i on the commissioner, the select committee has not discussed it, so i don't think. it would be appropriate. there are issues that harrietj has raised that are the same ones that we are all raising. if a police officer for example is being investigated - for domestic abuse i have dealt with cases where the police - officer has not been suspended. i think that means the police are not taking seriously- about issues of violence against women. - we need other cases _ investigated, much more widely and that is what i think the home office needs to make sure happens. we can'tjust have warm words when it has an impact - on confidence for women . especially, but also when it comes against a backdrop . of the failure of the criminal justice system more widely to deal with violence - against women and girls. with your experience of studying the work of the justice system, do you fear that even inside the organisations like the police ther

and i think on policing and security, harriet harman had a really strong point where there is surely's realistically talking about the kind of closed protection for members of parliament that the home secretary and prime minister has but in those days and weeks afterjoe died we certainly did review our security and increased it in our offices in general but many mps wanted to keep the open surgeries in an open environment there was one of those. and i think that while there was an increased level of communication with the police as to where we were having surgeries there has not been, to my knowledge, a discrete police presence that most of those events and i realise that is an issue that will increase levels of resource for the police but surely it is something that ought to be on the table now and could be done in a discrete way where conversations between constituents and mps are still remaining in private but there is, just as there will be a routine police presence at a whole range of things across any constituency in a given week, we are talking about, you know, an hour a week,

we have been talking a moment ago with harriet harman and a security expert about whether there is aor how you keep that access but keep mps and their staff and families safe, how much do you think it would damage the democracy we have in this country if that access were limited or hindered or stopped altogether and become virtual? this will not happen. we will carry on as members of parliament meeting our constituents and being open and accessible. there are basic security things we should do and we are reminded of that but we will carry on. lindsay hoyle — the speaker — did a surgery last night and i think that was important and symbolic that we carry on. immediately after, i made a point of going down to my office and getting on with life. we are part of the community and that is what works. so yes, we need to dust off a few security arrangements but there is no ability to wrap us in cotton wool nor would would our electorate want it, nor would we want it. sir david worked alongside the charity �*dogs trust�* with its �*puppy smuggling taskforce. he supported the campaign to end t

. - have been talking a moment ago with harriet harman and a security expert about whether there is and the safe, how much do you think it would damage the democracy we have in this country if that access were limited or hindered or stopped altogether and become virtual? this or hindered or stopped altogether and become virtual?— and become virtual? this will not ha en. and become virtual? this will not happen- we _ and become virtual? this will not happen- we will _ and become virtual? this will not happen. we will carry _ and become virtual? this will not happen. we will carry on - and become virtual? this will not happen. we will carry on as - and become virtual? this will not - happen. we will carry on as members of parliament meeting our constituents and being noble and accessible. there are basic security things— accessible. there are basic security things we _ accessible. there are basic security things we should do and we are reminded — things we should do and we are reminded of that but we will carry on. reminded of that but we will carry on lindsay— reminded of that but we w

she has called calls to resign, from harriet harman one of the staunchest feminist campaigners and governmentnnouncement b police means. we have got this announcement by police scotland _ means. we have got this announcement by police scotland today _ means. we have got this announcement by police scotland today stop _ means. we have got this announcement by police scotland today stop does - by police scotland today stop does not figure in many of the papers because it may be buried in one or two of the stories because it came out quite late. they are saying, in contrast to what is being said in the met about people should be prepared to call for help and the rest of it, it is saying you are going to be able to speak to the police control room. if you are a women stopped by the single police officer, you will be able to demand to speak to the control room to reassure you about the police officer. do you think that kind of approach is going to help? there are disturbin: approach is going to help? there are disturbing messages _ approach is going to help? there are disturbing messages that _ ap

pressure on her, we have heard some pretty - her, we have heard some pretty prominent mps like harriet harmang they don't think dame cressida dick can be the person who leads the reform that is needed within the met. that said, i don't think it's likely she will resign because she does appear to have the backing of the home office. she has the backing of the mayor of london said khan, itappears, as the backing of the mayor of london said khan, it appears, as well. the backing of the mayor of london said khan, itappears, as well. so although there is some pressure, we have seen that pressure before and it doesn't look likely that dame cressida dick is going anywhere at the moment —— saddiq khan. d0 cressida dick is going anywhere at the moment -- saddiq khan. do you think the police _ the moment -- saddiq khan. do you think the police will— the moment -- saddiq khan. do you think the police will now _ the moment -- saddiq khan. do you think the police will now be - the moment -- saddiq khan. do you think the police will now be saying i think the police will now be saying to the government you

harriet harman suggests that there is an immediate _ come.in certain circumstances, yes, but it depends on the investigation. obviously we have a robust independent police investigation process to which the public can make complaints. similarly, all forces internally have their own... but there were _ internally have their own... but there were two _ internally have their own... but there were two allegations against wayne couzens. how is it robust? fine wayne couzens. how is it robust? one ofthe wayne couzens. how is it robust? one of the lessons — wayne couzens. how is it robust? one of the lessons we _ wayne couzens. how is it robust? que: of the lessons we will need wayne couzens. how is it robust? ©“i2 of the lessons we will need to learn is about how the allegations that were made against him, where those investigations led to and why they did not pop up on his vetting or have any impact on his employment with the metropolitan police. that is currently under investigation, we will have a look at the lessons that are learned from that. bu

harriet harman there.system are becoming intolerable. here's our social affairs editor, alison holt. these are the empty beds that show the reality of the staffing crisis facing both care homes and home care providers. this plymouth residential home is getting multiple calls each day from hospitals and families asking if they will take new residents. but they don't have enough care workers to look after any more people. we have six care homes in north and south devon. we've got 21% of our beds that are empty and that is purely because we cannot staff them. our staff are working tirelessly hard and they are exhausted, they are working overtime. it's extremely hard to be making these heartbreaking decisions where we are getting to the point where our care potentially may not be safe and we may have to turn away residents. as society has reopened, it's become increasingly difficult for care services to keep and recruit staff. exhaustion from the pandemic, compulsoryjabs in care homes and better pay in other s

interesting point because you have people like labour mp harriet harman who say catcalling women, theyon what the prime minister has telling us live in the programme this morning throughout the programme but for the moment, it is back to sally annjon from the conservative party conference. thank you very much. facebook has apologised after three of its social media platforms — including whatsapp and instagram — were unavailable for almost six hours. billions of users were affected worldwide, and the company says the outage was caused by a technical failure. our north america technology reporterjames clayton has more. the number of people that use facebook and its spin—offs whatsapp and instagram is nothing short of staggering — 3.5 billion people across the world, including tens of thousands of businesses. still, when something goes wrong, it goes very wrong. in a statement released early on tuesday morning, facebook said... the outage was said to have caused mayhem in facebook�*s headquarters here in silicon valley, as technicians scrambled to work out what was going on. facebook was

your former colleague harriet - keep our public servants a. yum;- former colleague harriet harman hasthose who were elected to represent us. how we _ who were elected to represent us. how we treat them, how we talk about them, _ how we treat them, how we talk about them, how— how we treat them, how we talk about them, how we all collectively protect — them, how we all collectively protect them, because by doing that we are _ protect them, because by doing that we are protecting our democratic system~ — we are protecting our democratic s stem. : :, :, we are protecting our democratic sstem.: :, :, :, :, system. and also an appreciation of the work that _ system. and also an appreciation of the work that they _ system. and also an appreciation of the work that they do, _ system. and also an appreciation of the work that they do, but - system. and also an appreciation of the work that they do, but thinking | the work that they do, but thinking back to sitting in a constituency office, with something like a metal detector, for example, that would have made a difference? the thing here is