i was listening to joanna cherry and i i was listening tojoanna cherry and diane abbott on radio foure had profound disagreements with over the years, but they were both talking in really moving and alarming terms about the levels of abuse they suffer, and joanna in particular were saying she wouldn't have got into politics had she known that this was going to happen. and that is at the extreme there is the violence that does seem to have, well, that has taken sir david's life and may well have been driven by a cause. but there is a spectrum of people being put off politics or been intimidated from speaking, intimidated from getting involved, which is damaging, and really damage us, britain, as a liberal democracy and we have to understand that as a spectrum, just as with violence against women and girls, sexual violence, where people have rightly spoken about a spectrum of behaviour and red flags and things that ought to have been tackled further down the track. i think we need to reconsider that within the framework of political discourse and how we relate to each other. john woodco