tools, the dismantling of american democracy from the war on terror to donald trump. professor karen greenberg, thanks for coming on going underground, given the extraordinary rendition water boarding rhone strikes, we saw joe biden's drone strike killing 7 of cob, over the afghan withdrawal. subtlety isn't the 1st thing that comes to mind. what are these subtle tools in the title of your new book? ok, yes, that's one of the things there. not some things are not so subtle, but my idea is that all the policies that you've mentioned, whether it's drone tag rendition to torture, et cetera, were what we saw. but always just as important, if not more important, was how they were done. and the tools that were used to create these policies until the united states recognizes these tools and addresses, those were still vulnerable to the kinds of accesses from laws and norms that we encountered and suffered in the wake of the task at $911.00. because so might say that the way before 911, these tools are being used in the assassination strikes. i don't know che guevara, that assassination. these things h