she had on a white uniform. >> this motivate d. >> michael reese is on the lake. an l there at the train station and an airport. she had every means of transportation to leave chicago within five minutes of taking the baby. >> this was premeditated as a part of this woman and the interview with the cab driver, he said she wanted to go to the area of 35th and hall, which is always 15 minutes from the hospital. she had a coat on. she got into another car and never seen again. >> mrs. phenomenon zach, as a woman and a mother, would you have any reason to think why she might have taken the baby? >> she must have been desperate for a baby that she would come and take somebody else's baby away from them. that she couldn't have her own or she lost hers or something. but even leaving the child, i don't think you're that desperate to take another woman's baby. >> i took care of her for several days and she cried a lot. her husband was there and it -- it was like -- it was like a funeral. the it was a funeral. there was crying and she was beside herself. she did a lot of pr

michael, hang with us. also with us, keir simmons, he's in rome. and father thomas reesenior analyst for religious news service. thomas, tell us about the meeting with the president and the pope. joe biden is a catholic. this must have been quite an honor. >> reporter: that's right, steph. it's significant that the second catholic president in u.s. history having a meeting with the pope today, but we're seeing nothing like what we saw in terms of the personal relationship that already existed between president biden and pope francis that predated this meeting. when president biden came here, he came for the pope's inauguration. he spent a significant amount of time when he came to the u.s. in 2015. also traveled back to the vatican. i was with him when he spoke at kuhn frens on cancer cures here in 2016. we know they've stayed in touch since then. that deep relationship was really on display in some of the pictures we saw and the conversations we heard. the president sat down with pope francis for 90 minutes according to the timeline given to the white house. that's three