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do you know anything about mr. clark reaching out to you in any way? yes. he called me and was very frustrated bus president trump was solely focused on georgia and he commented that nothing would dissuede president trump from believing the election was, in fact, stolen from him. he would not believe that he lost georgia. i don't know why. he didn't explain why. and i reiterated to him, and we looked into several allegations. we concluded there was nothing there and this was kind of disturbing because in substance this means his own people looked into it and reported back up. mr. donoghue then asks me if i knew about mr. jeffrey clark. did not. who's he? he was at the time acting chief of the civil division. he said jeff clark had, quote, the president's ear. i asked him what he meant by that, that jeff clark is suggesting that the justice department sign onto some letter suggesting that the state legislature in georgia should call a special session and they should refuse to certify the electoral college votes and he wanted mr. clark to intervene or join in

rosen to give mr. clark yourself on? number answer. i do not. tion, had you and attorney general rosen or mr. richard donahue or anyone else that previously discussed mr. clark we can't reaching out to you in any way? >> yes. and december 30th are 31st, i can't remember exactly. i knew it was before new year's. richard donahue called me and told me he was very frustrated because president trump was solely focused on georgia. with respect to any voter fraud allegations. and he had commented, that nothing would dissuade him from believing the election was stolen from him. mr. donahue stated that the president just would not believe that he lost georgia. i don't know why. he didn't explain why. and i reiterated to him that we looked into several allegations. obviously we concluded there's nothing there. this is kind of disturbing, because in substance it met his own people had looked into it and reported back up. mr. donahue then asked me whether i knew jeffrey clark. i told him no i did not know jeffrey clark. who is he? mr. donahue explained to me

mr. clark's role and learn who was involved. the select committee expects mr. d our viewers, mr. clark was the doj official with whom donald trump has become very close. there was a plan for mr. clark to replace acting attorney general rosen, who replaced mr. barr. if mr. rosen didn't go along with donald trump's plot, plan, to overturn the election results. we learned a lot of that from the interim report. just days later now, the subpoena for jeffrey clark to provide testimony to the select committee investigating the insurrection. joining our conversation, "washington post" congressional correspondent, jackie. what do you know? >> hey, nicole. the committee just issued a subpoena were jeffrey clark, which we reported several hours ago, that that was to be expected. this is as the committee ramps up their measures. they want to move as expeditiously as possible and after negotiations between clark's legal team and the committee collapsed as they were trying to hash out the terms of the -- >> a.b. -- i apologize for all of our gremlins. maybe they're at the por

we need to keep looking at those other elements. >> am i right, senator, that mr. clark has refused requests to be interviewed thus far? obviously, no transcript of an interview released today. the committee is seeking his testimony as well as all the white house documents you were not able to get from the national archives. >> i don't know what i'm allowed to say about that under the committee rules right now. i should probably pass on that question. sorry. >> that's all right. >> obviously, he is a person of interest. he is the central person in this saga. at some point in the committee before a grand jury, his testimony is going to be obtained. >> let me ask you, senator, there's a lot of focus on mr. clark and what he did. it was sort of shocking revelation when the materials came out that there has been a referral by the committee to the d.c. bar to look into mr. clark and whether he should be disciplined as a lawyer for what he did here. i as i explained in the intro am struck by the fact that there were other senior justice department officials who were very willi

letter to say they would resign en masse if there was a replacement of the acting attorney general by mr. clarke president hesitated and decided at the last minute not to pursue that course and not to replace him. that was significant. i will tell i you because otherwise it would've been a possibility. and then with the us attorney inh georgia refused to buy the outlandish claims particularly us attorney. we know what followed and in a matter of three days and then having failed and every court case to take over the department of justice to take his cause to the street. and then three days later in january 6. now most people say we heard most ofoi the story before so what is the point? we were so close to a constitutional crisis so the american people know that we should never be complacent when it comes to our rights of citizens and responsibilities and constitution. this president former president donald t trump would keep his office and the presidency no doubt in my mind and to think we reach that stage in history is certainly worth reflection for a moment so what more should we do going for

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mr. clarke. hello, heidi. [ laughter ] have you been in a helicopter before? gurney. i've never been strapped into anything without a safe word, you know? [ laughter ] >> jimmy: what is your safe word? by the way. >> matt damon. [ laughter ] [ applause ] >> jimmy: from boston, okay. >> so they're wheeling me out of the hospital. and people are, lenny, can i have a autograph? i'm strapped in! take a selfie. [ laughter ] when i was really fat i would have never fit in this helicopter. >> get in. now they're tying stuff on me. wn've got to chew through these things to save heidi. [ laughter ] that's what you think about when you're about to die. as we get up to the mass general hospital, chopper's spinning out of control, only five feet off the deck. i'm like, turn the key off! i don't want to fall off the building. boom, we hit. he turned, lenny, it's me, freddie, i used to fly you when i flew helicopters for ernie bosh! it never ends. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: thank god, you're a national treasure. not just a local treasure in the new england area. [ applause ] le

but i can say that mr. clark is a key witness of interest to us, and we have subpoenaed him. we do expect him to cooperate and i think he has very important information. he seems to have been at the heart of this effort to rugoon the justice department in trying to get georgia to withhold the appointment of electors or appoint a different slate of electors. he seemed to have been working with president trump to get the justice department to push out claims they were investigating massive fraud when that wasn't true. just looking at the senate judiciary committee, which is also done investigative work in this area, i think he's the one witness who was not brought before the senate who has such key information. he could tell us a lot, and while i can't confirm the date, we hope to speak with him soon. >> we do know the house voted to ask the doj to criminally prosecutor former trump adviser steve bannon because he refused to work with your committee. have you gotten any indication when and whether the doj will charge bannon with contempt of congress? >> i think the best indicat

we still haven't heard from mr. clark, and we will. >> i know you're saying, and you have said yesterday, you told cnn, we're not messing around. on criminal contempt for uncooperative witnesses. there's legal contempt versus criminal contempt. explain what you intend to do if they don't cooperate. >> well, we don't want to go through endless civil litigation like we did in the last few years. donald trump demonstrated that essentially he could tyus up in court for years, literally, when we tried to get the former white house counsel, don mcgahn to testify, it took us two years. he didn't testify until trump was out of office. we're not willing to allow them to play rope-a-dope in the criminal courts. that's why we're going to expect the justice department, unlike the last one, to unuphold the principle no one is above the law. in fact, there is something that can be done about it, and they can be prosecuted and go to jail over it. >> we know steve bannon and dan scavino aren't cooperating, at least not yet. kash patel an

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mr. eastman? >> i think jeff clark just has to come and tell the truth. he was a low level environmental lawyer running temporarily the civil division. he decided to try to overstep his bounds by far. basically try and machinate to become the attorney general and displace jeffrey rosen, the acting attorney general. we need to know the story about what happened. and particularly what did trump say to him, and what did he say to trump, and what was trump's role in this whole thing? it's been almost a year, and we don't have answers to those basic questions. which is just unforgivable. as far as john eastman, i think a subpoena on him is inevitable. he tried last week to say he didn't believe his own memo. like he forgot who told him to even write it. that was part of his story. i've had hundreds of cases. you never forget who tells you to write a memo on something. if your task is to write a legal memo to justify a coup and overthrow an election, i think you remember who told you to write that memo. >> yes. go ahead. >> and then things got worse for him tod

many people in the country are asking themselves tonight who is jeff clark and that is the question mr. clarkg himself. who are you, jeff clark? are you an attorney? are you a former justice department official? are you somebody who is going to abide by the rule of law and follow the directives of the subpoena or are you a trump loyalest and going to get in line behind steve bannon and others and try to fight it and gamble for time? it will be interesting to see how he answers that question. >> we're also learning tonight that the former acting attorney general, jeffrey rosen met with the select committee for eight hours today and we know from a senate judiciary board on january 3rd, trump tried to pressure rosen to overturn the election for hours. what role will he play in this investigation? i'm talking about rosen. >> key witness. that is the role that he will play. listen, i can tell you, don, i have been there many times. i've sat in the chair that he sat in today for eight, ten, 12 hours at a stretch. it is a long and hard day. mr. rosen is making himself available. administration has n

now, when you look at mr. clark, i think because he's an attorney, he certainly does not want a criminal contempt charge against him, so that may be one of the reasons why he's compelled to testify. but it is very important that the work go forward and move it at somewhat at a decent pace so people know they're making progress. >> as congress tries to get to the bottom of former president trump's assault on democracy, he chose this week to announce a new social media, the platform truth social is being billed as a bastion for free speech, even though users will be barred from criticizing it. but the real issue seems to be that trump stands to make billions as his supporters buy up shares of the stock behind this risky venture to compete against tech giants like facebook and twitter. juanita, what is your take on this latest move by trump? >> look, trump loves any type of business scheme that will put money in his pockets. like, that is his motivation for this because we know that, sure, he's missing having that soci

mr. clark's testimony but as far as when and if particular witnesses testify, not going to comment on thats the subpoena indicates he's definitely a person of interest who we think have information that's important for this investigation. >> there's a question now about the what happens next on the bannon situation which is the vote came out. there's a referral to the department of justice. what is your expectation about the timeline here in. >> we didn't waste any time after the timeline ran out on the subpoena, within a week we voted. the vote happened yesterday and the speaker confirmed that. that was taken over to the department of justice within hours and we expect that to move forward quickly. we're not messing around here. this is not the previous administration. with this investigation into the violent acts of january 6th, to stall the election result, this is important. we're not going to allow people to defy the subpoenas from congress. it's essential that we get information from them and i fully expect that the justice department will evaluate all the facts in the case and i'm h

mr. clark's deposition, which was scheduled for tomorrow. do you have any intel on the reason for the postponement? >> yes brian, the select committee is finally chugging along as lawmakers are trying to -- jeffrey clark who was one of the top officials who sought to actually execute trump's false claims of massive voter fraud, it received continuance or postponement of the deposition, before the house select committee and protect -- bit of a break up with his lawyer. they confirmed earlier today, it's unclear what it was, but usually when a lawyer and his client breakup, it's most likely because there are differences in the eagles strategy, maybe a client was being pulled in another direction by another lawyer, it's still unclear with the cynics committee is prepared to offer a postponement, so he can have his own legal strategy. we know his testimony is a big priority for this committee, along with documents from the justice department in the final months of the trump presidency. they're going to try to give him some leeway here to move for

i'm delighted mr. clark will be in front of the committee. you're going to see people come forward and be forced to tell us the truth. again, for the purpose of making sure we hold accountable those who were involved in the insurrection including the president of the united states, but much more importantly that we never see it happen again. >> all right. congresswoman, thank you so much for your time. we appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >>> coming up, a conspiracy callout. "the daily show's" jordan cleper takes on the most ardent supporters. >> wasn't the key thing was he would be reinstated for president? >> never left. no doubt in my mind. >> that he's still president of the united states. really? does he still hold the powers of the presidency? >> well, he's been flying around the world on air force one. says something. >> i thought joe biden's technically on air force one. air wick air wick scented oils are infused with natural essential oils to create authentic seasonal scents that fill your home with holiday spirit all season

i'm delighted mr. clark is absolutely adhering to the rule of law. he was in the justice department. it will be very important and i really think that it's refreshing. we shouldn't have been in the place we were for years with trump using the department of justice and putting people in place to simply protect him. we have in merrick garland someone who is measured and thoughtful and steady and really adheres to the rule of law. he will act swiftly. i have confidence the department will act swiftly. >> representative dean, you were an impeachment manager in the second impeachment. madeleine dean, my member of congress, when i'm in the philadelphia suburbs. good to see you. >> thank you. >>> we'll have a full table set this morning. we continue the conversation about joe biden's agenda at the top of the hour with the new york congress member ritchie torres who is with the group this week. >>> plus we have a special look at "civil war" which airs tomorrow night on msnbc. the filmmaker will talk about how the project came to be and lessons she learned fr

. >> mr. clark has not complained with the other requests. i believe he has notresponded. there is already a move to have him disbarred and law license revoked. he lost his job. i don't know he is in a strong position to push back. >> we just played something that joe biden said yesterday. he was talking to reporters in reference to the possible criminal reference. he suggested it goes to the department of justice. the chairma of the committee bennie thompson. sometimes they are hesitant to do these things. the justice department said the department of justice will make its own independent decisions in all prosecutions based solely on on the facts and law. period. full stop. it is important. a lot of americans who feel for the duration of the trump administration, the justice department was doing the trump bidding. the justice department is implying joe biden doesn't make the decisions here. >> that's joe biden's opinion. exactly. i think we have to remember that under president trump, he put a tremendous amount of pressure on the department to make prosecutions go his way

the select committee expects mr. clark to cooperate fully with our investigation.re also learning that former acting attorney general jeffrey rosen was interviewed in person by the committee yesterday. that was first reported by politico. the "washington post" is reporting that members of the collect committee investigating the capitol attack says they're prepared to bring criminal charges to those who do not provide testimony this week. former white house adviser steve bannon announced he's not appearing citing executive privilege. three others, former chief of staff mark meadows, dan scavino and former defense official kash patel are also scheduled for depositions today and tomorrow. they have not yet indicated whether or not they will comply. according to "the post," to proceed with a criminal contempt charge, the full committee must meet, which sun likely. the white house yesterday formally rejected former president trump's assertion of executive privilege over documents requested by that select committee investigating what happened on january 6th. in an octobe

we do expect in the near future to talk to mr. clark and he has very relevant information.gia not to certify electors or to delay their certification or to send others that he had a strategy for other states as well. that he was willing to use the justice department to advocate claims that didn't exist about massive fraud. those are the public allegations that we want to talk with him about. he did not, as i understand it, testify before the senate judiciary committee. it will be whether or not for our committee to hear from him. >> even though there are two republican lawmakers on your committee, gop leaders have tried to frame your investigation as purely partisan. some have taken it a step further. here's congresswoman majorie taylor greene. n >> january 6th was just a riot at the capitol. when you think about what our declaration of independence says, it says to overthrow tyrants. there's a clear difference between january 6th and the marxist, blm grown troops waged on the american people in 2020. >> again this is a sitting member of congress. she's not just suggesting

he hasn't agreed to do night should the january 6th commission subpoena mr. clark?an avoid it. but that's their decision to make. we are trying to cooperate with him completely. we let them of course see the report and ask them for any reactions to it. we hope the information we have gathered will be of value to them. we want to make it a complimentary effort to their undertaking. theirs is a select committee undertaking. hours is a bipartisan committee set up by speaking pelosi and longman liz cheney and kinzinger from illinois. i think we should have had a bipartisan commission taking a look at the january 6th event. >> right. >> that was killed by mitch mcconnell, the republican leader. i am standing behind what the house is doing. i think it is a good undertaking. >> katie benner made the point a couple minutes ago that this is an interim report. can you quantify how much more there is in this category of trump trying to overturn the election result using the justice department? >> understand the justice department under its new leadership basically said to thos

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i filed two ethics complaints this week against the other insurrection lawyers including mr. clarkinent in this complaint, and mr. eastman out in california. if any lawyer dared to file these statements in court what this minority has put in the report they would immediately be subject to investigation, sanctions, and potentially losing their license. it's outrageous and dangerous for our country when this cancer of deceit has crept into the minority in the senate. >> all you have to do is look at what they do in terms of attaching the proof of these legitimate complaints and claims and it gets shaky really fast. i tell you what it is the best indication the big lie is not going away, norm, at all. i appreciate you taking us through this first step. let's see what happens once woe get into it. i will call on your counsel once again. be well until. >> thanks, chris. >> all right. >>> another case that has us stymied. the homicide case of gabby petito. we have new information on when police had eyes on her missing fiance but a question also. if they had eyes on him how did they let h

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mr. clark's bosses who have gone in to testify. first to the senate, then to the house committee. you have the white house authorizing the disclosure of executive privilege documents. you have others cooperating. still confidential providing information. that information is pouring in. >> our legal context there on what we can see in the coming days. and staying in washington this hour, u.s. president joe biden's approval rating is up to 50% in new cnn poll. but democrats in congress are still struggling to gain traction on his legislative agenda. and really sell the specifics of his plans. now, progressives in the house could be fighting for their political lives in the 2022 midterms, while moderate democrats, joe manchin and kirsten sinema are standing in the way in the senate. take a listen. >> we're waiting for the two of them to agree with each other, and then to submit a counterproposal. and i'm not sure why it's taking so long, but obviously this is a moment where we're all in agreement. so if somebody else has a different proposal, they should put it on the table. but it d

this is jeffrey clark, mr. clark with trump hatched this scheme, by which the justice department would hold a press conference after the election, and declare at that press conference that there were serious fraud problems in the election in multiple states, the justice department was investigating these very serious problems, he then wanted to send a letter to swing states that biden won. a letter from the justice department, advising officials in those states but the justice department thought there were serious problems with the elections in those states. and republican state legislators should therefore start investigating their election results or whatever. they should get to work on one of them they need to do to not send biden electors to the electoral college, even though in reality biden when those states. that was their jeffrey clark plan, we know from the senate judiciary committee's investigation of these matters. and we know that the plan, it had a lot of detail in it, the reason it fell apart was becaus

beginning that we want to find out what was planned, what was the intent, who paid for it, and i think mr. clark certainly has information about what was planned and what the intent was. so we will hopefully learn even more from his appearance and his discussion. we're very committed to getting to the bottom of everything about january 6th and leading up to it. not only to understand what happened but to make sure we take whatever steps we can to make sure that nothing like this happens again. >> congresswoman, you've said part of this referral about steve bannon is to send a message to bannon he violated the law but you're also trying to send a message to other individuals who may be thinking about defying your committee's subpoenas. so far dan scavino's lawyer says he's not ready to testify. how likely is it that there will be a vote for a criminal contempt referral for dan scavino as well? >> well, we can't get ahead of ourselves. there will be additional discussions. but let's just say this. the law is clear. there's no absolute immunity even for the lawyer for the white house. don mcgahn ca

and as for mr. clarks in that meeting, that now infamous meeting in the oval office in which he was trying to push all kinds of ways that you could say, well, this election was rigged, et cetera, et cetera. and, you know, i think you have to talk to him as well, and i think that rosen can give you the story about what was going on inside the justice department when you had a president of the united states who was trying to put such immense pressure on the department to say something it did not believe to be true. >> charlie, it's interesting to hear what the select committee is doing about january 6th. and obviously they're trying to figure out what donald trump's role in it was and how to stop something like that. but i think that it is equally important for us to focus on what republicans in battle ground states are doing including president trump's inner circle, which is enabling and trying to install secretaries of state in those vital positions. they were the guardrails, republican secretaries of sta

that sent a message to the other people that they have subpoenaed the idea that mr. clarkgoing to testify. that is interesting and a way to get into the trump side of things when it comes to january 6th. so i think that it is encouraging to those who want to learn more about what actually happened in the days leading up to january 6th, during the insurrection itself. clearly, this committee is concerned about not falling into some of the traps that democratic oversight has fallen into previously with the trump administration. >> eugene, president biden kind of stuck his neck out in voicing approval of going after biden aggressively. they later walked back those remarks. it does indicate the sensitivity now. this is not trump and his justice department. it's joe biden and an actual justice department. so this does put the investigation though on biden's plate. >> they had gone to pains to make sure that they had given enough room, more room than we'd seen in years against the -- from the biden administration, the white house, and the doj. and biden sometimes being biden, yo

mr. clark's role in these efforts at the justice department and learn who was involved across the administration. now, clark has until the 29th of october to hand over relevant documents and sit for a deposition. the deadlines have come and gone for the four ex-administration officials who were hit with the panel's first wave of subpoenas. the panel says former allies of the twice impeached ex-president, like mark meadows and kash patel, are cooperating somewhat. former aide steve bannon is openly defying the subpoena orders. in response, the committee is expected to vote next week on tuesday whether to refer steve bannon to the justice department for potential criminal prosecution. president biden expressed his support for this move yesterday. >> i hope that the committee goes after them and holds him accountable criminally. >> prosecute him -- >> i do, yes. >> bannon is putting on this wanna be martyr actprecise li -- precisely for the audience of one, the former president. he is no longer the commander in chief of this country, but he is running the republican party. bad news for everybody. i

we though about what jeffrey clark said and did in terms of how it impacted mr. rosen. we know there was an attempt for clark the replays rosen. they walked in and threatened to quit along with members of the counsel's office. we don't know specificity how vast the conversations were between mr. trump and clark. >> i think it is hard for people who don't work in the justice department to understand how egregious clark's behavior was. he was out on his own conducting sort of investigations into alleged voter fraud, both of which he has no jurisdiction over and without his superiors knowing he was doing it. he was talking directly with the white house w the president, which he's not allowed to do under department of justice rules. and he was talking with at least one republican member of congress, which he's also not allowed to do under justice department rules. he was violating multiple justice department policies in an attempt to overturn the election. to your point, we only know the thing that jeffrey rosen was a witness to. we know about this january 3rd meeting a the

. >> i'm delighted that mr. clark is absolutely adherent to the rule of law. he's a member -- he was in the justice department, so it will be very important, and i really think that it's refreshing. we shouldn't have been in the place we were four years with donald trump using the department of justice and putting people in place who would simply protect him. >>> and the are supreme court is leaving the texas abortion law in place for now, but they want to hear arguments in the case. those arguments set to begin on november 1st. they'll help the justices determine whether the law, which imposes a near total ban on abortions should be blocked while legal challenges continue. to help us get started this hour, nbc's josh lederman joins us from wilmington, delaware, where he's covering the president. and gary gum bach is in richmond, virginia. josh, what are you hearing about the time line for a vote on president biden's economic agenda, and who's going to be unhappy potentially at the end of this? >> reporter: well, a new time line is sometime this week they're h

mr. clark's deposition, which was scheduled for tomorrow. do you have any intel on the reason for the postponement? >> yeah, brian. the select committee is quietly chugging along as lawmakers are trying to hash out this packages. jeffrey clark was one of the top justice department officials who sought to execute and support president trump's false claims of massive voter fraud in the 2020 election, received a continuance or postponement of his friday deposition and subpoena deadline to appear before the house sleekt committee and provide testimony, and that's because he had a bit of a breakup with his lawyer. my colleagues referred to him earlier today. it's unclear what the schism over the two was, but usually when a lawyer and his client break up, it's most likely differences in legal strategy. maybe a client might have been pulled in another direction. still unclear, but the select committee thought it was only fair to offer a postponement so clark can readjust his own legal strategy. we know that his testimony is a big priority for this

saying that they would resign en masse if there was a replacement of the acting attorney general by mr. clarkthe president hesitated and decided at the very last minute not to pursue that course, not to replace him. that was significant, i'll tell you, because had it happened otherwise, it would have been a possibility that there would have been a contest on the election results. what did the president do next after deciding that? well, just for good measure, he ended up firing the u.s. attorney in georgia who refused to buy his outlandish claims, as the president's way of protesting that particular u.s. attorney's independence in the situation. what followed? we know what followed. in a matter of three days, this president, former president, desperate in his situation, having failed in every court case, having failed to take over the department of justice, decided to take his cause to the streets. we saw it in the united states capitol three days later, on january 6. the president turned loose a mob, a mob that was supposed to stop us from counting the electoral votes and electoral ballots.

mr. jeffrey clark. and so they sent clark a subpoena today asking him to produce documents and appear before the committee itself on october 29th. if he does appear, it would shed a whole lot of light on what exactly happened at the justice department in the last days of the trump administration. >> obviously he's a person of interest. he's the central person in this saga, and at some point in the committee before a grand jury someplace his testimony is going to be obtained. >> now, the senate judiciary committee, you saw sheldon whitehouse talking to rachel. he's a member of that committee. they tried to get clark to sit down for a voluntary interview with him over the summer, but he did not respond. according to politico, he has yet to field questions from congressional investigators, scrutinizing trump's final weeks in office. his lawyer declined to comment on the subpoena. betsy woodruff swan reported for politico, broke the news of jeffrey rosen's testimony today, and she joins me now. it was not n

with his lackey, mr. clark there pushing and trying to topple acting attorney general rosen. much more this sort of pushing can these institutions handle? >> look, that is the question, right? how much have we been softened? what could happen -- to go back to your last segment, the next time with the eastman memo. underscore what tim just said. it is not simply the oath keepers in the bowels of government. it's the josh hawleys, and the people who have replaced the previous republicans who are going to be empowering or sympathetic. we have got this what we thought was a bedrock kinds of institutional strength that could never be -- where for example, the peaceful transfer of power could never be questioned. now we saw it could at least be softened up. what everyone is sweating out, considering, would another strong run, say a smarter trump, actually be able to top telecitadel? who knows. what that we are pondering that question is mind blowing. >> it is mind blowing. and it feels like there should be more we can reveal, more we can do. to be continued with both of you. harry

mr. chairman. ms. clark, when you testified before this committee and when attorney general garland testimony before this committee, you both promised to be nonpartisan and impartial. i'm sorry to say that i think neither of you have lived up to that promise. within weeks of president biden being sworn in, the department of justice dismissed a civil rights division lawsuit it had against yale university for explicit racial discrimination. yale has a policy that discriminates against asian americans in admissions. it does so brazenly and openly. and yet the department of justice decided preventing racial discrimination did not fit within the purview of the biden d.o.j. now, in your defense, you were not yet there, neither was merrick garland. so that was merely the initial political operatives of the biden administration doing what they believed was consistent with the preferences of the president. but just this week, after you were there, after merrick garland was there, the department of justice issued a me

mr. craw thorn -- cawthorn will vote nay on h.r. 5434. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentlewoman from new york seek recognition? ms. clarke: mr. speaker, as the member designated by chairwoman nydia velazquez, pursuant to h.res. 8, i inform the house that ms. velazquez will vote yes on h.r. 5334 -- excuse me -- the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman seek recognition? as the member designated by mr. stawber of minnesota, pursuant to house resolution 8, i inform the house that mr. stawber will vote yea on h.r. 5434. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from maryland seek recognition? >> as the member designated by mr. doggett, pursuant to house resolution 8, i inform the house that mr. doggett will vote aye on h.r. 5434. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentlewoman from missouri seek recognition? >> mr. speaker, as the member designated by mrs. walorski of indiana, pursuant to house resolution 8, i inform the house that mrs. walorski will vote yea on h.r. 5434. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does gentlewoman from virginia seek recognition? >> mr. spe

they were -- mr. clark at d.o.j., several steps removed from the top official was writing fraudulent letters to the state of georgia to overturn their votes. talk about susan glasser's description of this as an ongoing crime scene. >> that's right, nicole. and it's a case that is not yet closed because, actually, most of the suspects remain at large. and the same circumstances that led to january 6th still exist. you have donald trump, who is telling republican voters that unless they resolve the the fraudulent election, that they should not vote. he's still riling them up. he has enablers now in kevin mccarthy and others. and he's got outside amplifiers in steve bannon. so this is a party that no longer believes in voting. they believe in violence. that's why also right now it is so important for democrats. let's deliver on this build back better agenda so in a while donald trump and mccarthy and bannon circle the capitol with gas cans getting ready to light the match that we can tell voters what is at sta

mr. pappas will vote yes on h.res. 716. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentlewoman from new york seek recognition? ms. clarke: madam speaker, as the member designated by the chairwoman carolyn maloney of new york, i inform the house that mrs. maloney will vote yes on h.res. 716. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from colorado seek recognition? >> thank you, madam speaker. as the member designated by mr. joe neguse of the second congressional district of colorado, i inform the house that mr. me guse will -- neguse will vote yes on h.res. 716. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from virginia seek recognition? >> madam speaker -- mr. beyer: madam speaker, as the member designated by mr. blumenauer of oregon, i inform the house that mr. blumenauer will vote yes on h.res. 716. as the member designated by ms. moore of wisconsin, i inform the house that ms. moore will vote yes on h.res. 716. as the member designated by mr. lieu of california, i inform the house that mr. lieu will vote yes on h.res. 716. as the member designated by mr. foster of illinois, i inform

mr. chairman. thank you, ms. clark, for your service. one of the chief objections we hear about preclearance is that it imposes substantial burdens on state and local policy makers and election officials to wade through a bureaucracy before making innocent legitimate policy decision about how to run their elections. i'm sure you've heard that objection numerous times. we also hear that preclearance empowers activists, unaccountable bureaucrats at d.o.j. to make decisions at the expense of local officials. as the leader of the civil rights division, i'd like to give you a chance to respond to those criticisms. i know that i think they were raised before the break and i'm not sure that you've had a chance to respond to them in detail. i'd like to hear you on that score. >> thank you, senator. the department finds that the john lewis voting rights advancement act contains a number of provisions that help ensure that the bill is truly focused and tailored on the current problems and current conditions in the country when it comes to voting d