so thanks for bringing that up, mr. renny. and, i wanted to just ask once again, director weilland -- i'm sorry if you said this, but what's the time line on the jam permits having to convert to permitted permits and do we know when we're going to be handling that and what we need to do etc.? >> director: yeah. i do not have a public update on that. i was in a meeting today in a much larger group of city agencies that are managing the shared spaces program and roll-out and i want to kind of take their lead on messaging, but let's just say there is no big push or rush right now for us to be moving those into the permanent permit program, but we are gearing up to be able to do that and streamline that roll-out and what you'll be hearing from us as staff and probably by the end of november is an update on how we're implementing all of the s.t.r.a. and how that coincides the shared spaces in order to prepare for that transition. >> president: got it. i imagine the goal is to make sure that there's no gap between the jam permit. so