arbery. and there is no such relationship in this case. without trying to put words in the court's mouth, i think the court is going to charge you -- i'm not there yet. you may find the defendant guilty of felony murder if you believe that mr. bryan caused the death of mr. arbery, regardless of whether mr. bryan intended the death to occur. that's felony murder. there must be some causal connection between the felony and the death. the court, i believe, will instrict you that felony murder is not established simply because the death occurred at the same time or shortly after the felony was attempted or committed. the burden on the state such greater. the felony must have been directly caused or must have directly caused the death or play both a substantial and necessary part in causing the death. in this case you may also consider whether any intervening act, whether on the part of the mcmichaels or mr. arbery were causal to break the chain of events. i believe both of the lawyers that preced

arbery and we know mr. bryan's truck is behind mr. arbery, mr.the opportunity now to run up holmes, is that correct? >> yes. >> all right. and yet on the video, we see him turn around, is that correct? >> that's correct. >> to run back toward the black pickup truck that had already tried to hit him four times, is that correct? >> i didn't see him try to run him over. >> did you hear mr. bryan's statements in open court while you were sitting here? >> i did. >> all right. and you know he told the police that on four separate occasions he tried to hit mr. arbery. you know that. >> objection. relevance, your honor. >> that's sustained. you can rephrase it. >> all right. i'll rephrase that. did you here the officers testify to what mr. bryan had said? >> i heard the officers testify today, yes. >> all right. and you heard that mr. bryan told the police that mr. arbery tried to get into his truck or grab his hand or whatever that was on burford? >> burford, yes. >> all right. and so, at this point, your telling this jury, i just want to make sure, tha

arbery. >> so >> you see mr. bryan turn up with his black truck to run mr. arbery off the road? >> after i put the shotgun back to the seat when it was on the floor board and watching dad or talking to dad or trying to figure out what was going on, i looked back down the road. i don't know mr. brian. i had seen him with the first encounter with mr. arbery. my assumption, from what i saw that he came from satilla, so the vehicle was write thought was the end of the road more than likely seen the video the other day where the tree was closest to burrford, towards the end almost on the road. i'm certain that's where i saw the encounter with them and it didn't look like he was running off the road. it looked like arbery went to the left side and then to the right and went back to the left. looked like he was engaging with that vehicle. >> so you are all the way down there and they are all the way down here when you look at them? >> yes, ma'am. >> and you want this jury to believe you thought mr.

arbery, not mr. arbery -- mr. bryan makes what is for him a very faithful decision he actually pulls out in the road. now, at one point he says he over shot the road. another point in the same interview with detective lowry, he says that he crept out on to the road. the state suggests that mr. bryan either hit mr. arbery or tried to hit him, and pushed him with his 5,000 pound motor vehicle. we'll come back to that in a second, but i think the evidence is inconsistent with that. now, i do want to talk about the indictment for a minute. let's take a minute to review the indictment. it is what we sometimes call a kitchen sink indictment. everyone, all three dfefendants are charged literally with everything in the indictment, every crime set forth therein, you may find this confusing and difficult to sort through at times since the factual basis and underlying legal bases for the five murder counts are so closely intertwined with one another. however, this is perfectly acceptable, there's nothing improper about it. m

arbery, as attempting to run mr. arbery down. but what you see on the video, and there is -- you can see mr. bryan is moving approximately 2 miles an hour, and you can see that the seat belt is not in place. now, at this point we're going to go ahead and play it to about the 17-second mark. listen for the gear shifts -- i'm sorry, it's not there yet. go ahead. you can see mr. bryan's foot is not on the gas pedal. now, you hear a motor vehicle go by. we can guess which vehicle that is. we hear it pass. in 20 seconds we're going to hear the seat belt alarm go off. at 26 seconds, you can hear the transmission shift as mr. bryan puts his truck in park. and then two seconds later you'll hear mr. bryan buckle his seat belt. now, in about 30 seconds, and i'm going to go through this with you before we play it so you'll know what to listen for. mr. bryan utters the famous words, i'm going to keep going. and you'll notice his cell phone is down. this is where he says, i'm going to keep going. the state is suggesting to you, if i recall th

arbery was not armed. travis mcmichael shot ahmaud arbery three times.rbery's death wouldn't make national headlines until three months after he was killed. once that graphic cell phone video surfaced online. >> no justice, no peace! >> reporter: the killing viewed by many as a modern-day lynching. it took 74 days for charges to be brought against the three men. the mcmichaels and bryan maintaining they were trying to make a citizen's arrest, believing arbery was a thief. all pled not guilty. >> the defense had to argue that this was a citizen's arrest because except for a citizen's arrest, they would not be able to get to the idea of self-defense. because by all accounts, they provoked this interaction. >> reporter: since the trial started, more than a month ago, the prosecution and defense have painted starkly different narratives. >> and they made their decision to attack ahmaud arbery in their driveways. because he was a black man. running down the street. >> if this was a case about wanting to murder a black jogger, this if this was really case abou

arbery. greg mcmichael said it perfectly -- mr. arbery was trapped like a rat.ing their neighborhood. >> this case is about duty and responsibility. it's about travis mcmichael's duty and responsibility to himself. neam fighborany hood. hto >> they continuously used the arguments of citizens arrest and self-defense, highlighting the video doesn't tell the whole story. >> travis has no choice but to fire his weapon in self-defense. he's on travis and travis has to fire. because at that point it's his life or ahmaud arbery's luf. >> as the state went on presenting its case, they played for the jury that video recorded by roddie bryan. >> mr. arbery ran away from these three defendants in their pickup trucks for five minutes. >> marcus arbery, ahmaud's father, walked out of court. he didn't want to see it. wanda cooper-jones sat in the back corner of that courtroom, and for the first time, saw the complete video of her son being shot. >> i avoided the video for the last 18 months. i thought it was time to get familiar with what happened to ahmaud. i'm glad i was ab

arbery. what almost happened? let's get real. it's a miracle diego perez and greg mcmichael didn't kill each other inside that house pulling guns out. that was it. what did brooke tell you? no more. not doing this anymore. you determine the credibility of those witnesses. now, when you consider travis mcmichael and his testimony, here's some things you want to look at. the judge is going to tell you, these are the things you consider. the manner of testifying. evidence of bias for or against a party. does he have bias for or against greg mcmichael? it's his dad, okay? motive in testifying. yeah, he wants you to come back with a not guilty verdict. it's in his best interest. think about the probability or improbability of their testimony. i wondered why he was attacking that truck on holmes. what are you talking about? i have no idea. do you guys understand what he was getting at? i guess we're back to ahmaud arbery is a carjacker. their interest or lack of interest in the case, mean dog they

i think ahmaud arbery being alive is justice.ay is about something more fleeting for black people in this country and situations like this, which is accountability. today is a day just like the derek chauvin trial where you have accountability for people who hunt people down, murder them and don't give them the benefit of their humanity. the unique thing today is we found out lynching is still legal in the united states of america. that's what we all saw. but we also know how difficult this journey was for this family to even get to this day of accountability. we know how difficult it was to even bring charges against these individuals. and so i believe that today is the day that this country needed. i don't want to say deserved, but needed, ana, because the fact is just imagine if we're sitting here talking about not guilty verdicts. i believe that this country and our democracy is fundamentally fragile and hanging on by a thread. and i don't believe that a not guilty verdict today would have served as well as a country. in fact

>>> tonight, the verdict in the high profile ahmaud arbery case. three white defendants found guilty of felony murder. arbery, a black man shot and killed while jogging through their neighborhood in brunswick, georgia. >> guilty. >> arbery's father screaming out as the first verdict was read. the judge ordering him removed from the courtroom. the defendants each facing life in prison. arbery family supporters celebrating outside the courthouse. his mother saying she never thought this day would come. steve osunsami and dan abrams standing by. >>> the thanksgiving get away hitting its peak. more than 50 million people traveling over the holiday. highways jammed with cars. drivers facing the highest gas prices in years. airports packed with passengers at near prepandemic numbers. nearly 2 million people flying out today alone. >>> sobering new covid projections heading into the holidays. the cdc warning hospitalizations and depths expected to increase for the first time in months. the u.s. on pace to see nearly 15,000 deaths in the next two weeks. hi

seeing arbery jog by. they just assumed it was him. they did not investigate. they did not have evidence. they assumed it was him and assumed they had the right to capture this black man to make a citizen's arrest. when georgia governor kemp finally repealed that civil war era slave catching law this past may, ahmaud arbery's mother, wanda cooper-jones, made the significance of that repeal crystal clear. she said, quote, unfortunately, we had to lose my son in this matter. had this bill been in place, i think it would protect young men jogging down the street. her son was not protected in february of 2020. those three men gunned him down in brunswick, georgia, and killed him in cold blood. those three men have been on trial for more than two weeks on charges of felony murder, aggravated assault, and false imprisonment. they claimed they had the right to chase and detain ahmaud arbery because of that citizen's arrest law, and they claimed that mr. arbery was shot in an act of self-defense. the prosecutors a

arbery, intercepting mr. arbery and is right here with that shotgun. it wasn't at port arms, like this, it was right like this. and how fast does mr. arbery come around the corner and boom! shoots him. that is one continuous aggravated assault, ending in the shotgun blast to his torso, right here. came out right here. all right? so how was he when the shotgun hit him? like this. right. got it across the wrist, right in the torso, came out right here. so he's turned like this. according to the medical examiner. >> felony murder. felony murder is when you commit a felony and someone dies because of the felony. classic felony murder scenario. guy goes into a convenience store to rob the convenience store. he's not there to murder anybody. he's not there to kill the clerk. but he's got a gun. pulls out the gun and is pointing it at the clerk, and the clerk is like, ah, and the clerk goes and tries to hit the gun away and starts punching at the armed robber, and what's the armed robber do? boom, kills the clerk. in committing a felony, you cannot claim self

arbery, doesn't even say he pulled in front of mr. arbery, mr. arbery turns around and runs back. to do? what was his intent? he told you what his intent was. our intent was to stop him. can't stop somebody, united states of america, okay. people are free here. they had no authority to demand he stop. and they're yelling at him. stop. we want to talk to you. and he's running away. that's the criminal attempt by the mcmichaels on burford. now, of course, we know the criminal attempt at false imprisonment on mr. bryan, he pulled out, pushed him, yeah, shoved him, did whatever, got him into a ditch. now, those actions on burford, did it put ahmaud arbery in reasonable fear of receiving bodily harm? yes. so now what's he doing? he's running away from them, for five minutes, he's running away from them. if they hadn't put him in reasonable fear of receiving serious bodily harm, so that he ran away from them, would he be dead? the answer is no. therefore that substantially contributed to his death because, why? all right. where did he go? he went up holmes. now, this whole thing of, oh,

arbery? >> i did. >> mr. arbery goes to the passenger's side of the truck? >> yes. >> your dad is still yelling at him because we can hear him go stop, god damnit stop. right? >> yes. >> you could have easily stepped back to your pickup truck and watched him keep going. right? >> i could have, yes, but i was -- i still didn't know what he would or could have done right there where i couldn't see him. and to get closer to the pickup and dad and if he's going to try to get to the truck, i would be right there. i was thinking he was a threat and might go after myself, my father, or the truck. i wanted to be right there to deter him or to be able to handle it if i needed to. >> so you also could have stepped around the back of the truck and followed him in the path that way. is that right? >> yes, but then he would have had an open unrestricted run around the truck and into my open door into my pickup truck, and -- >> so you're telling this jury that a man who has spent five minutes running away from you, you're now thinking is somehow going to want to continue

arbery that mr. arbery had to push off from your truck, getting white fibers from his t-shirt and his palm print on your truck, because you got so close to him, he had to push off to get away from you. "i mean, i can't say for sure that he -- he wasn't on the door. i didn't give him a chance to get to the door. but after iing anned him off the side of the road, you know, and i kind of went on past him, because i didn't hit him -- wish i would have -- might have took him out and not got him shot. but you know, i probably got past him a little bit and he comes up on me and i could see him in my mirror and he was coming for the door and i seen his hands right behind the door. after i angled him off the side of the road, i kind of went on past him, i didn't give him a chance to get to the door. yeah, towards the entrance, but i confronted him again. i angled at him again." point out aggravated assault number three. "before we got to the road he was laying on, right at the house that's on the left-hand si

of ahmaud arbery. they lost a son. but their son will go down in history, as one that proved that if you hold on, justice can come. this mother would tell me, reverend, we are going to win this, when i had doubts. she kept praying. we have to get some justice for my son. let the word go forth, all over the world, a jury of 11 white men and one black in the deep south stood up in a courtroom and said that black lives do matter. >> payment. -- >> amen. >> let it be clear, for 10 years after trade, not once, but the sun was proved that if we kept arching and kept fighting, they would hear us. we have a lot more battles to fight, but this was an important battle. this has proven that our children know their value. that is why those people that marched, the people here, they were here when nobody else was here. they stood up. >> yeah. [applause] brunswick, georgia will go down in history, as a place that -- the place that criminal justice took a different turn. let us pray. >> you, lord -- >> thank you, lord. >> dear god, d

he intended to kill ahmaud arbery and he did. the jury found the other two defendants not guilty of intentional murder but felony murder. those two intentionally committed the felony, the chasing him with the truck, false imprisonment and as a result of that, whether they intended it or not, ahmaud arbery was killed and that makes the father and roddy bryan guilty of murder as well. they all three now face life sentences. >> alexis, i want to hear your thoughts as well as what you think ended up being the most compelling piece of evidence. >> yeah. the most compelling piece of evidence is the fact that they hunted down a black man. i know other commentators have called this a modern day lynching and that's exactly what it was. it's no irony that they relied on this now repealed citizens arrest law. that was enacted in 1863 that really deputized private citizens to hunt down enslaved people and recapture and return them to slavery. and so that was undeniable. i know i have -- i was sort of remiss that the state didn't lean harder

arbery. travis mcmichael, who pulled the trigger, was found guilty on all charges, all nine counts, including felony murder, malice murder, and aggravated assault. gregory mcmichael, his father, who drove the truck and called 911 after the shooting, was found not guilty of malice murder but guilty on all other charges. all other eight counts, including felony murder. william roddie bryan, who followed and filmed the confrontation, was found not guilty of malice murder, but found guilty on many other charges including felony murder. let's bring in all of our guests. cal perry, danny safal os, ck ho ffler, chuck rosenberg, have we seen any appearance from any of the family members of ahmaud arbery? >> not yet. i have some details from the pool note, as the verdict was read. first, understand, outside, as the verdict was read, there was a jubilation that spread through the crowd, an audible cheering when we heard the first guilty verdict on travis mcmichael. inside the court, ahmaud arbery's mot

arbery that mr. arbery actually has a palm print on mr. and white t-shirt fibers that are consistent on that car. >> reporter: incriminating video filmed by defendant william rodney bryant taking center stage. arbery's mother, who had never before seen any of the footage, letting out an audible moan and sobbing. but despite the visual evidence, the defense for travis mcmichael, the man who shot and killed ahmaud arbery, arguing the shooting was justified. >> the video that you watched probably five times in the state's opening statement doesn't even begin to tell the story in this case. >> reporter: the defense calling arbery an intruder who was seen, quote, plundering and lurking around. tough there is no evidence he ever stole a thing. and claiming the neighborhood was on edge from recent robberies, and that the defendants acted in self-defense. >> he has his gun for protection because this guy has run at him, has acted bizarrely, has not said a word yet that he could tell, and travis has to fire. because at that point it's his life or a

of course he's going to blame ahmaud arbery. because ahmaud arbery is not here to defend himself.s the benefit of being able to paint the picture to present a narrative however he sees fit. >> reporter: when the shooting occurred, mcmichael claims arbery had charged him, that he was, quote, "on me in a flash." >> he was -- spring loaded, like a running back, he's ready to -- ready to bolt or to move any way he wanted. but he's focused on me. >> the strategy, especially in a self-defense case, is you have to put in the mindset of your client, the defense attorney's done a phenomenal job in prepping travis mcmichael. he knew all the right answers and right avenues to explore during direct. the real questions are going to come when it comes time to cross examination. >> reporter: special prosecutor linda donnakoski argued michael should have known more and done better, with all the law enforcement training he says he went through when he was in the coast guard. >> so you learned as part of your time in the military that you can't force people to speak with you? >> that's correct. >>

arbery because he was black. jogger situation. the defense is claiming that ahmaud arbery, had he just stopped and submitted to the request by the defendants to stop, everything would be okay. the prosecutor made a clear case that the constitution protects people from not stopping and talking to people who they don't want to stop and talk to, at which point the defense makes this argument which -- i want you to put your lawyer hat on and tell me how much sense this makes. the defense attorney said arbery had a, quote, last chance to avoid bryan's truck which the defendants used during the encounter arbery had one last clear chance and contributed to that danger by his own conduct. he argued that arbery should have run to avoid the truck possibly by running into a neighbor's house, jumping into a pool or climbing up the side of a tree. so he's saying arbery should have run away from these guys. these guys said they shot arbery because he was running away. >> you know, ali, it was so difficult listening to travis m

arbery.ho fired the shots. let's watch. >> actually only half the definition, isn't it? >> that's what i was taught in my training that definition right there. >> so isn't it correct that -- let me ask it this way. didn't you learn from your training you need two parts? >> reasonable suspicion first and then probable cause. >> so is it through your training you need two parts of probable cause. that a crime has been committed and the person you are arresting is the one who committed the crime. >> that would be correct. >> all right. but you left out the second part that you actually have to have probable cause the person you are arresting is actually the one committing the crime. >> that makes sense. that was the person that i assumed that was committing the crime. that was the probable cause was him. >> you assumed he was the one committing the crime. >> yes. >> all right. you would agree that as law enforcement, when you were there in the military as a boarding officer, that even if you kno

i'm celebrating and i'm happy for ahmaud arbery. i'm celebrating and i'm happy for ahmaud arbery's family. i'm celebrating and i'm happy for people of color who were insult issed by the objectively racist arguments and motions made in this case by the defense, but i'm also consciously and bitterly aware of how much further we need to go to reform our system to make sure that vigilanteism has limitations, that self-defense has limitations, that aren't racially motivated for the future of this country and the future of disenfranchised communities. >> as we talk about what we're seeing outside the courtroom and we have been taking some of those live pictures, i thought something you said or you have described the difference and the distinction here, and this gets into what paul was describing too, between relief and rejoicing. talk about that. >> yeah, there is a distinct difference between relief and rejoicing. one that black people know all too well. 25-year-old ahmaud arbery should be sitting in a seat that will be empty tomorrow on

arbery turns around. you get a quick glimpse of what's up the street, and it isn't travis mcmichael's truck. it isn't there. it's because it's all the way back down holmeser in satilla. the state is going to heart record that you heard of mr. bryan turning and revving and doing all of this stuff. this will be the third interact that mr. arbery will have coming at this truck, and mr. boyan is freaked out to say the least, so freaked out he drops his phone. this is where the phone drops and goes pitch black for about a minute. and in this time you'll hear sounds, engine noise. you'll hear turning. you'll hear shifting and seat belts crank and the three-point turn and he says i'm going to head back that way, but what you don't hear on that phone even after audio enhance president, even after any kind of working with audio specialists and digital specialists, you'll never ever hear any yelling and no communication between travis or greg. the state wants you to think that it's at that moment that greg mcmichae

representing arbery's father.'s closing arguments, and just the way that the defense has tried to, i mean, just overtly inject race into this. i guess to try to push the jurors' buttons. what did you think? >> that's exactly right, jim. it's trayvon martin 2.0. the last witness of the trial was a white woman who said her home had been burglarized, and because of that, that she said it was a black man that every black person in the vicinity, there was a presumption of guilt and that trayvon's killer was within his right to be able to detain any black person. that seems to spill over to ahmaud arbery. it's almost as if because a black man was jogging in a neighborhood, we are allowed to presume that he is guilty until proven innocent and after they kill him, then the white men are presumed innocent and allowed to go home and sleep in their beds at night after they killed an unarmed black man. and so we have to continue to say that we can't have two systems of justice in america, one for white america and another for

you have them saying he didn't feel threatened by ahmaud arbery shouting or grabbing the gun. what did you make of the defense? >> yeah, laura, good to be with you. first, to the toenail comment. i thought it was deplorable and reprehensible and in this particular trial, it's part of a larger pattern. you have to look initially at the 11-1 mix in the jury and not be stereostereotypical. people can make independent judgments black, white, who they love and where they pray. the reality is that it seemed to be sis mat tick matic by the de the outset. it's further troubling and go into the courtroom i know this isn't your question, laura, you have one particular attorney constantly questioning the integrity of black past to past don't want them and an attorney dehumanizing and revictimizing the person who is dead and in addition to that, laura, listen to the closing, it's our neighborhood. it was clear to me who she was playing to and i think that's reprehensible. i'm a defense attorney and glad to be but i think cases have to be about issues, cases have to be about justifications

arbery?ut. >> and you then indicated this may be the same individual who has been causing trouble in the neighborhood. >> yes, ma'am. >> okay. but that's not mr. arbery? >> no, ma'am. >> so why, in your written statement, two hours after the homicide, do you put down the very first sentence, on january 1st of 2020, approximately between 9:00 and 10:30 i had my vehicle broken into and my smith & wesson gone stolen out of my truck? >> because i was aware of things -- of burglaries and vehicles being broken into in the neighborhood and then on top of seeing what i saw on the 11th, that there are things being broken into. i was under concern that mr. arbery could be a suspect in this, or he could not be. look like i said, prior, he's the one i had seen and saw in the house several times, of course i'm thinking he's a suspect. i don't know if it was him or the other people they have seen or heard . so you don't know who stole your gun. there was no probable cause to arrest mr. arbery for the theft

the family of arbery appreciated the protesters but urged them to be peaceful. interfere with the trial itself. >> the community has been an encouns encouragement to the family. >> we cannot allow anything to disrupt justice in this case. >> reporter: the family of ahmaud arbery and their attorneys were outraged. they could not believe the victim in this case was turned into the villain by the defense attorneys in their closing arguments. not only blaming ahmaud arbery for his own death but then the way that they physically described him in court they just could not believe it. meanwhile in closing arguments will continue on the part of the prosecution tomorrow and yes the jury is expected to to get the case to begin deliberations. laura? >> thank you, martin. i want to bring in michael moore. he's a former u.s. attorney for the middle district of georgia and joey jackson, he's a criminal defense attorney and cnn legal analyst. glad to have you both. i can't help but shake my head when i hear the description of how the defense tried to characterize the victim in

arbery starts running. then the last thing, they're heading to the dogleg and the last i see him in front of the black truck and the black truck is continuing, but it wasn't accelerating or anything like that. never broke off from each other at that point. >> you said they were heading toward the dogleg? >> towards the dogleg. >> did they go around the dogleg? >> yes. >> did you lose sight of them? >> yes. >> what did you do at that moment? >> continued -- i'm not exactly sure exactly what i did at that moment. i pulled the vehicle back up ten feet and stopped and parked from there. >> pulled the vehicle back up. what do you mean? >> i'm sorry. after they passed, i continued to go forward. >> up? >> towards satilla drive. >> did you throw it in reverse and start trucking backwards to go -- >> i did not. >> why not? >> once again, i don't want to escalate the situation. this is getting out of hand. the guy now looks like he's trying to get in the vehicle, verified from what i suspected on burford when he was

shortly after arbery had been murdered. the citizen's arrest law in georgia was repealed and repealed for a good reason. to avoid a circumstance like this happening in the future. the fact that when you couldn't have the jury be swayed in any way because of the law, then you have the judge's instructions regarding citizen's arrest. he really became pretty improbable for the defense to take a win. this seems like the right result. >> trace: you talk about the videotape. i'm wondering where you at all surprise when you saw, clearly the prosecution ran the table on this. were you surprised when you saw "roddie" bryan. his defense was he broke off the chase and then he rejoined it and started videotaping but he never pulled a weapon. he never fired a gun. he was no part of this. were you surprised that he was also convicted of felony murder, the second count? >> not really. part of the reason why he was brought up on felony murder charges was because of the fact that the truck became aggravated assault. the fact that he was par

three men convicted of murdering ahmaud arbery.court as the verdict was read tonight and what's next for the convicted murderers. >>> plus, the republican national committee using donor money to pay legal fees for trump. trump, the self-proclaimed billionaire y.? a longtime republican donor responds. >>> and china going to extremes to block coverage of tennis star peng shuai's safety. details on their disturbing censorship. let's go outfront. >>> and good evening, i'm erin burnett. out front tonight,

for her to make out ahmaud arbery as he is the bad person, that he call -- in fact, she put ahmaud arbery on trial. the message that it sent was one of disgust. we hope that at some point, maybe there will be some claims to the judicial bar to determine whether she should be suspended or sanctioned. but regardless of her comments, regardless of her denigrating the name of ahmaud arbery, a person that is dead, the jury still looked past that and determined that her client is guilty. would that have happened in the northeast? i'm in new york. i worked in philadelphia and guess what? she wouldn't have gone far with that comment. >> yeah. just shocking. and what happens next to these three convicted men in terms of appeals and sent tencing, plus e federal hate crime trial set to begin next year? >> right now, where we stand is that the next step the judge is going to sentence these three defendants, and pretty much given their age, they're going to serve the rest of their life inside of a prison. however, what may happen is that remember the federal charges are still open. those federal charg

arbery?hat, was truck i was telling you about. >> okay. >> and you then indicated that this may be the same individual who has been causing trouble in the neighborhood. >> yes, ma'am. >> okay. but that's not mr. arbery? >> no, ma'am. >> so why in your written statement two hours after the homicide do you put down the very first sentence on january 1st of 2020 between 9:00 and 10:30, i had my vehicle broken into and my smith & wesson gun stolen out of my truck? >> because i was aware of things -- of burglaries and vehicles being broken into the neighborhood. and then on top of seeing what i saw on the 11th that there are things being broken into. i was concerned that mr. arbery could be a suspect in this or could not be. but like i said, prior, he is the one that i had seen and he's the one that has been in that house several times. so of course i'm thinking he is a suspect. i don't know if it was him or the other people that they have seen or heard about. >> okay. >> you don't know who stole

maybe ahmaud arbery was caught. maybe ahmaud arbery was trying to run from the police. these are all maybes. he doesn't know anything. these are all the maybes he testified to. he said he assumed he was committing a crime. that's what he said on the stand. remember? i wrote it out. you said you assumed he was committing a crime. i went down there to see if it was him. then he said, i don't know. i don't know what he did that day. i don't know. then he wanted to talk about his totality of the circumstances and all that stuff that he knew that was going to allow him to do the citizens arrest. what did he talk about? well, i heard from my mom about the stuff stolen off the boat. okay. well, can't arrest somebody on unsupported gossip of someone else. can't do that. and then i saw him by the house and i knew he was in there a couple other days because i seen video on february -- on february 11th, saw these videos. okay, well, that's not having committed a crime in somebody's presence. this is somebody showing you stuff about something else. knew about the white couple, the

arbery. i know mr. arbery's family is feeling that at least justice is served. see their son. they sue the horrific views of what happened to him but at least there's modicum of justice served for acts of heinous crimes, violence, and a modern day lynching. >> we're watching outside, i know cal perry is there, if ahmaud arbery's mother speaks, we'll definitely bring that to you immediately. when we look at this case and we look at the events leading up to the men being arrested, they were not arrested initially for the killing of ahmaud arbery. it wasn't until, ck, a video that william roddie bryan took, was leaked to the press, that the men ended up getting arrested. there were questions about whether or not they could be tried fairly with a prosecutor in this district. talk to me about the steps that were taken to get to this prosecutor who you've just praised for getting, in your words, a fair and just outcome for the family of ahmaud arbery. >> absolutely. first of all we have to remember that at the scene of the heinous crimes, greg mcmichael called the pro

three men have been found guilty in the shooting of ahmaud arbery arbery in the u.s.. here's more. this case happened in february last year, one of the big cases that led to a summer of racial reckoning here. everyone knows about george fld, breonna taylor, but this happened in february last year, where ahmaud arbery, a 25-year-old avid runner was jogging through a neighborhood very close to his home when two men, greg mcmichael and his son travis, said later that he fit the description of a burglary suspect. so, they armed themselves, jump into a truck and chased after him. the third man, roddie bryan, saw this happening and jumped into his trucks well and also followed him. there was an altercation after ahmaud arbery was chased for five minutes, which led to ahmaud arbery being shot dead. now, bause othe racial makeup of the jury, which with comprised of 11 white people and just one black person even though this is a city that is majority black, there was a lot of speculation about how they might interpret the facts. so, there was a huge amount of relief, i think. supporters of

now, i want to bring in ben crump, attorney for ahmaud arbery's family, and marcus arbery, ahmaud's father. gentlemen, thank you for taking the time to speak with me tonight. the entire nation was watching this. the world really as you well know, not only what happened to your son, sir, but also this verdict. you know, i'm wondering from your perspective, sir, what does it feel like tonight to know that your son's killers have been found guilty? >> feel real good. it's just -- it won't bring ahmaud back, but we do know those guys held accountable for the lynching they done to him. that's what my family, we are grateful for. >> there was a moment when the very first of the verdicts was read for travis mcmichael, and you really exclaimed in the courtroom, you shouted, and what was that? i want to play for people what that was like because we were all waiting and watching with you, and i think a semblance of the same emotion. let's play that for a moment. >> we the jury find the defendant travis mcmichael guilty. >> woo. >> i'm going to ask that whoever just made an outburst be removed from t

during closing arguments one lawyer brought up arbery's toenails. also at the courthouse, new concerns about demonstrators outside. jury deliberations are expected to begin today in the trial of three white men accused of killing ahmaud arbery. the judge is moving deliberations to an interior room of the courthouse concerned about jurors hearing protesters outside. >> what do we want? [ crowd chanting ] >> reporter: on monday a group describing themselves as the new black panther party gathered nearby. some of them armed. the defense attorney called for a mistrial because of the demonstrations. >> there was a truck carrying a coffin with the names of the defendants on it. >> reporter: the judge denied the motion allowing closing arguments to resume where defense attorneys claim that arbery was to blame for his own death. >> running away instead of facing the consequences, acting erratically when approached and making terrible, unexpected, illogical choices. >> reporter: travis mcmichael, his father gregory and william bryan are accused of murdering

what you said is the arbery family has great lawyers. this isn't about just the arberys. this is about the whole community that was wronged when the laws were broken and someone was killed illegally. >> in this case the cobb county district attorney's office represents the victim and their family in this case. and they are well represented. >> they represent the people and they are advocates for the rights of the victim. you know that and i feel like that takes me to my third point. which is why are you trying to make this so intensely personal about ahmaud arbery? why bring up black pastors and their presence in what you know is a public accommodation, being in this courtroom and that you don't have a say in who comes and who doesn't come and observe? why make that point? why do you think about pastors in terms of black and white? >> i don't think of pastors in terms of black and white. and let's be clear. if you were in that courtroom, sitting in my chair, representing roddie bryan, you'd be doing exactly the same thing. >> no, i wouldn't. >> so if it helps -- if it hel

they knew there was no evidence ahmaud arbery had done anything wrong.re is going to be a hate crimes trial that goes on separately. it will certainly come up during that trial. there'nobody around here who doesn't feel that race played a factor in it. >> we turn now to the unfolding tragedy in the english channel where 31 migrants are feared to have drowned after their boat capsized. more than 25 others were saved from the freezing waters. thousands of migrants tried to cross the channel every year. the u.k. and french governments have been trying to address the issue. lucy williamson has more. lucy: this is a tragedy that began with hope. the water, nothing to be afraid of yet. several boats set off this morning. this one reached british shores without disaster. dozens of desperate people, the warning signs have always been there, and today, one of these boats never arrived. >> as far as we know, 33 peoe capsized off of dunkirk. as of right now, 31 people died but were not resuscitated their lives are unfortunately in danger. >> a local fisherman spott

and say his name, ahmaud arbery. ahmaud arbery's parents walked up moments later hands raised alongside their attorneys and the reverend al sharpton. who has been supporting them in the courtroom during the trial. he has been there despite the repeated and bizarre objections of one of the defense attorneys. both parents on one of their attorneys, civil rights lawyer ben, spoke after the verdict, they expect relief and gratitude that this time. in this case, these white men would not be allowed to murder a black person with [inaudible] >> i never saw this day back in 2020. i never thought this day would come. but god is good. >> yes he is. >> and i just want to tell everybody thank you, thank you. for those who marched. for those who prayed. most of all the ones who prayed. thank you god. thank you. >> i don't want to see no body left and shot like that. so it is all our problems, it is all our problems. so let's keep fighting, let's keep doing and making this a better place for all human beings. >> i will tell you al

that's where ahmaud arbery lives. there's u.s. 17 ahmaud arbery.terday, laura hogue got up here and she gave you criminal defense 101. usually criminal defense 101 is no crime actually took place. now, the crime is on video. my client didn't commit the crime. well, yeah, your client is on video committing the crime. criminal defense 101, it's the victim's fault. standard, standard stuff. malign it will victim. i know you're not going to buy into that. it's offensive. he livid 1.8 miles away. there's his residence, there's the house under construction. february 23rd, 2020, at 1:08 p.m. mr. arbery walks up to the open, unsecured construction site. we have our olson video. remember, it's off by an hour and five minutes. per the video from inside 220, he doesn't take anything, does what he always does and leaves. it's not a burglary, okay. how would you know what his intent was? well, did he steal anything? no. did he leave like he always does? yes. i said to him, why didn't you call 911? because this was not an emergency. it wasn't an emergency. mr. a

. >>> a verdict in the trial of three men accused of murdering ahmaud arbery . natalie brand is live in georgia. >> reporter: ahmaud arbery's mother says her son can rest in peace as the georgia attorney general says that the verdict "brings us one step closer to justice and healing." as the judge read the verdicts -- >> guilty. >> reporter: and shearing as word reached the crowd outside. travis mcmichael was guilty of malice murder in the killing of ahmaud arbery, he and his father , greg mcmichael, and a third defendant, william bryan were convicted of felony murder. >> the verdict was based on the facts and evidence. that was our goal, to bring that to that jury so they could do the right thing. >> reporter: this is the scene outside the courthouse shortly after the verdict was read. demonstrators who have been here since the start of the trial have called for justice for ahmaud arbery . to i have been here 30 years and to get this outcome is a blessing. >> reporter: the mother of ahmaud arbery thanked the supporters. >> it was a long fight but god is good. >

no evidence that it was ahmaud arbery. he didn't even believe it was ahmaud arbery. some evidence of calls about, you know, minor break-ins. but this is sit ill la shores. this neighborhood is not a crime ridden neighborhood. >> i wasn't finished with the question. >> sorry. >> because when i heard the defense saying, well, he was running because -- was he possibly running because he was guilty, right? and i was like, guilty of what? that's where i was going with the question. if they didn't find any proof that he stole anything. you know what i'm saying? >> yeah, i absolutely know what you're saying, and that's why i think citizen's arrest is going to be hard for the defense to prove here. georgia law used to allow somebody to go chase someone down, hold them for the police if they saw them commit a crime or had direct knowledge that they had committed a serious felony offense. none of that is present in this case. even if there's some argument this may have been criminal trespass, that ahmaud arbery was on private party, the mcmichaels didn't see him on private pro

three men convicted of murdering ahmaud arbery. the emotional scene inside court as the verdict was read tonight and what's next for the convicted murderers. >>> plus, the republican national committee using donor money to pay legal fees for trump. trump, the self-proclaimed billionaire y.? a longtime republican donor responds. >>> and china going to extremes to block coverage of tennis star peng shuai's safety. details on their disturbing censorship. let's go outfront. >>> and good evening, i'm erin burnett. out front tonight, justice for ahmaud arbery. that is what a jury delivered today. that's according to the prosecutor in the high-profile case. the three men who chased down and killed the 25-year-old, ahmaud arbery, as he was jogging, today found guilty of murder. travis mcmichael, his father gregory mcmichael, and their neighbor william roddy bryan stood showing little emotion as the jury's decision was read. guilty on 23 of the 27 total counts. let me just say that, again. 23 times, they read out the words guilty today. the