do you think those things in any way will impact the case because it feels like the george zimmerman,s like the zimmerman case and there are countless examples if you look at the way self-defense laws play out. white people shooting black people claiming to attack them and plays out when you have one black person on the jury. there are numerous trials when it didn't work out. i think those things matter and also, joy, what you're hinting at is a broader discussion the way people are treated in this country because it hinted george zimmerman and when you think of the cases, the new definition of crt is you have george zimmerman and on the flip side castile and shot and killed under circumstance where kyle rittenhouse, not the case we're talking about can walk by the place not so much as being questioned and if you think that's not going to play a role in this trial, you're missing the point. >> 100%. the man that massacred nine people inside emanuel church got a cheese burger lunch from police. that's why there is critical race theory in law schools because we have an equality in our s

george zimmerman was in fear of his life when he shot and killed trayvon martin.e verdict has come in. we've all been waiting very patiently for the jury to make its determination, but to be honest with you, i'm very nervous about what this could mean. >> and a reminder to our viewers, there are a total of nine counts for each of the three defendants, so 27 counts total if you do the math there. and each of these men are facing the same counts that range from murder to aggravated assault to false imprisonment. so when we get the verdict delivered, we are told that it's going to go defendant by defendant. so you'll hear all nine counts verdict for one defendant before moving on to the next defendant. again, they could come back with a verdict that is guilty for one defendant and not for the other. areva, what do you see as the most likely possibility here? any thoughts on that? >> one of the cases, one of the cases that stands out the most in terms of being distinguishable from the others is roddie bryan. as we heard from his defense attorney, roddie thought he was

we saw it similar with george zimmerman over a decade ago where his lawyers brought in a neighbor whod her house to had no connection to trayvon martin. we see attorneys using racism as dog whistles constantly to wink to jurors and say you know how this is, this is america and sometimes protecting white people means hurting black people. >> and speaking on what we saw earlier as well, it was last week that the kyle rittenhouse verdict came down. he was acquitted after fatally shooting two people last summer. you wrote you didn't bother watching that trial because you knew how it was going to end. tell me about that decision, how you reached that conclusion. >> yeah. so i've been covering cases like this for a long time. i was a chicago reporter for "the guardian" covering crimes, i've been to lots of trials similar to this. i was watching it in the news but i did not want to watch the trial because it just felt very quickly how this was a trial in which we were seeing a young white boy being treated like a young white person, like a child, while black people and even the while men tha

this whole matter expected george zimmerman, a self-appointed neighborhood watchman.'m going to make sure the neighborhood is safe. safe from who? host: let's go to lou, who is calling from highland park, illinois. lou, good morning. caller: good morning. how are you? host: good. caller: one, if all the injured people in this case were black, this would never have hit the news like it did. this stuff happens in chicago all the time. no one gives a damn. secondly, i think all sides in this case are wrong. it is one of those situations where a boy who went into the town holding a gun, which is very provoking, imagine someone walking into your house, holding an ak-47, you would be provoked into defending yourself and hurting that person, whether he pulled the trigger or not. i think there is all kinds of visions that are not being discussed. i think the third case is think of jacob blake. he is paralyzed for life. and in that situation, i think everyone was wrong. the cops could have handled him much better, without shooting him. the cops had all the time. and you don't

we were talking about how this case reminds us so much of the george zimmerman trial in which zimmerman3th, 2013 of murdering a teenager, 17-year-old traian basescu. much like the rittenhouse case zimmerman case was fundamentally about american vigilanteism. and whether it is legal for a person not in law enforcement to take it upon themselves to arm themselves with a gunshot and mete out what they deem as justice in the name of self-defense and investigating property crime. according to the laws maneuvered into place by the nra, that is indeed legal in america. statistically mainly if you're white. european history on the american continent from 1619 to today is an almost unbroken record of vigilanteism in the name of defending property rights, whether that property was human and african and enslaved or in the form of wives or daughters who had no individual property or voting rights of their own. or whether it was physical land. america is a country formed by men who threw off the european kings to become little kings of their own with land and slaves and women under their charge. and

trial that george zimmerman chased a 17-year-old boy walking around with iced tea and candy for hishim and said there was crimes in the neighborhood, i was worried and chased him down. the police said don't chase him. he did. because the teenager defends himself and says i'm in fear for my life, shoots him. that's the same case and zimmerman walked. in america, the absurd can work if you are a certain kind of person. your thoughts? >> joy, that's right. what stands out to me more when we compare to the zimmerman trial is not just the facts and arguments but the composition of the jury. >> correct. >> that's what actually worries me. now, she did a lot of things right that we didn't see in the rittenhouse trial and the first one is she walked the jury down through the charge. basically explaining here is how you vote on each charge. here is a reason why. that was critical. she did two things that were harder to notice but really important. she preempted the defense by doing what is smart trial lawyer will do and say hey, judge, i'm looking over at their table and noticing things in t

and george zimmerman was found not guilty. i think about the mother of eric garner.ning. the officer was in charge in that case. the video is clear here, but video has never been a sort of -- a sort of guarantee to justice in this country. >> not for some. jonathan, adding to that frustration is the fact that gun control and police reform have gotten nowhere in congress. >> no, no question there. and i think that it is something that frustrates a lot of democrats, a lot of african americans and a lot of americans who many of whom voted for president biden, voted democratic, who thought that this year or a democrat in the white house, democrats controlling both houses of congress, that there could be real progress on issues that matter to them. gun rights not only has there not been any real meaningful change there, the president signed a couple of executive orders that tightens gun laws around the edges, but nothing of any substance. and in front of the supreme court now, there is a case out of new york that may ease the ability to restrict -- the people carrying fir

i've been thinking an awful lot about the story of george zimmerman who shot trayvon martin and how he was turned into a hero only to find out later not so much because the goal often is to impose a narrative from the outside on events that don't line up with what people want. but they want the avatars anyway. >> right. three house republicans have now offered rittenhouse an internship just to play off of what chris was saying a few moments ago. he's being celebrated by some republicans as a hero. it is just so strange, but let's watch just an example of that. >> it was a great decision. i was surprised it had to go this far. somebody should've ended it earlier. >> it was a good day for freedom, a good day for the process, a good kay for america. >> kyle rittenhouse is not guilty, my friends. be armed, be dangerous, and be moral. >> be armed, be dangerous? >> it's so irresponsible. it's so irresponsible to be encouraging this kind of behavior. the reality is setting the legal analysis aside, what happened here is a tragedy on every level it's a tragedy. it's a tragedy for every person

it goes back to george zimmerman in florida. pursued a man and turn it around to where the victim became the aggressor and that's the way it was charged. number three, 8 million jobs and filled. -- 8 billion jobs unfilled. where are we going to get the people? how about the southern border? host: calling from burlington, north carolina on the republican line. freddie, good money. caller: a story that's not been reported is president trump was found not guilty of sexual assault. the clintons made up the fake dossier. host: let's talk to donna who was calling from illinois on the democrat line. donald good morning. caller: hello. thank you for taking my call. i like to tell you that one of the reasons people aren't going back to work is this forced overtime where they are forcing people to work 12 hours a day and some people cannot do it, like me because i had a stroke in 2018. my physical ability cannot allow me to work 12 hours. i can work eight hours. i've done that. but 12 hours, after that eight hours my blood pressure just c

a jury later found george zimmerman, martin's killer, not guilty of murder. will begin tomorrow. only one black juror will hear them. >> this court has found there appears to be intentional el. >> reporter: that verdict, whatever it is, will fuel america's clashing definitions of justice and fairness. >> brennan: that was mark strassmann reporting. we go now to the headline of the n.a.a.c.p., derrick johnson, who joins us from jackson, mississippi. good morning to you, sir. >> good morning. >> brennan: so the jury accepted kyle rittenhouse's explanation that he was acting in self-defense. president biden said, you know, this was disappointing in some ways, but the jury system works, and we have to abide by it. you say the verdict itself was dangerous. >> you know, it's hard for african americans to reconcile what we witnessed in that trial. we have far too many individuals sitting in jail for crimes they didn't commit or overcharge forward crimes that were committed. and here you have a 17-year-old who illegally purchased a gun, traveled across state lines to

in that case, the jury was jury found defendant zimmerman george zimmerman. not guilty. how we moved on from that 1010 years later. that's an interesting question. but actually what was also interesting was we were listening to ben crump, who is clearly one of the ways to forward civil rights attorneys now and in the us . he's seen at all. george floyd earlier this year, but he got really, really emotional when he was asked to consider that these, these 3 men might be acquitted before an attorney. i'm a black man, and i have black children. and i said, my guy, if america can come down this, then all parents who have children are karla. we can't protect whatever the outcome had. fremont also face federal hate crimes. and in the past that has been very difficult to make stick. but in this case, there is a sense that there may be more evidence because it seems that one of the defendants did use racial slurs in the aftermath of killing of an abra. she average hands it with all the lakers for us from outside that courthouse in georgia. thank you. she him was staying in the un

kids were bullying a vietnam combat veteran or that trave on martin was an innocent victim of george zimmerman'shological impulses. they pop up in the news, the media, the left, the radical democratic party, they use them to exploit and leverage for these larger agendas. they don't have 51% and its vertical race theory, et cetera, so they try to leverage them and that's why they become so absurd because when you look at the actual trial, there's nothing that they can relieve basic conviction on so you have the absurdities of a d.a. in the aftermath of the baldwin case pointing a gun with his hand on the trigger at the jurors or you have another prosecutor saying everybody should take a beating. he was really a man, he'd go out and fight, a 17-year-old will take on dozens. it is all about race when all the players in this tragedy were all white and we have the president of the united states earlier end of august tweeting this was about supremacy and this is a person who in that context i just called one of his senior aides boy, an african-american and then he talked about satchel paige and yet he

could go on and on, start with richard jewell, talk about so many other cases, cambridge police, george zimmerman always rushing to judgment, always the same group of people, always in order to score cheap political points, due process from a presumption of innocence, it is so important and critical yet in the case of justice kavanaugh, it will always take a backseat to the mob and the media the democratic party. here with reaction, fox news contributor, of course, writes a media column for the hill and as a fox news contributor. i think should have his own media show here on fox, i believe you stand out from the crowd which is interesting. it's always the same group of people, the same people that lie for years on the russian hoax in the same people that rush to judgment and all of those other cases, they are at it again. >> it's the same new rule of justice, guilty until proven innocent instead of the other way around and the race card again played from the bottom of the deck only on msnbc and cnn and a white guy shoot three other white guys and racism becomes the epicenter of the media coverag

. >> mark, you remember when you famously defended george zimmerman, do you see similarities?i do. even though you don't like a 17-year-oldie an ak in his hands, when he was attacked, when that person came at him, lunged at him, hit him in the head with a skateboard, at that moment he's allowed to react in self-defenses. that's what you'll hear in the closing arguments. >>> we're going live to the biden white house for a reaction to the breaking news that steve bannon's indictment today for defying the january 6th select committee. ld it like this. yeah. ♪ i love finding out things that other people don't want me to know. mm-hmm. [beep] i just wanted to say... ♪ find yourself in these situations and see who you are. and that's just part of the bargain. ♪ (judith) in this market, you'll find fisher investments is different than other money managers. (other money manager) different how? don't you just ride the wave? (judith) no - we actively manage client portfolios based on our forward-looking views of the market. (other money manager) but you still sell investments that genera

do you take george zimmerman shooting martin in 2012.ey. -- found not guilty. >> the martin case did have a unique law, a stand your ground law, absurd and ridiculous. in these cases, all three of them, where you have, for example, rittenhouse, a 17-year-old who came in claiming self-defense when he said he arrived going to try to offer medical help. then why did evan ar-15 rifle. it makes no sense. you mentioned he broke into tears. he broke into what i consider crocodile tears. i can do what he was doing. he has no tiers. he is putting on an act. i am seeing this as a former prosecutor and probably focused on the prosecution here, but it did seem to me that the prosecution. they made some mistakes, but they have established a case that would justify a conviction. the judge has taken very clear bias positions. his attack on the prosecutor for doing something that when the defense lawyer did it, he didn't respond at all. when we talk about bias, his bias towards the defense, in favor of the defense, makes this an unfair trial. as you sai

richard jewell, darren wilson, george zimmerman, duple cross, uva, baltimore, nicholas sandmann, and and on, and on. same people every single time. america's smeared, first merged, their lives ruined, character assassinated because liberals care more about optics and political narrative than they care about something about truth, justice, and our constitution. i don't know what is going to happen in the case of kyle rittenhouse. you can't judge what a jury is going to do. from my position based on all the video evidence, all the eyewitness testimony, this looks like a very clear-cut case of self-defense. according to wisconsin law. and now it is in the hands of the jury. they will render a verdict. any violence or rioting that follows you can think that media mob, you could even think joe biden, the president of the united states. he recklessly referred to kyle rittenhouse as a white supremacist months before the trial of her started with now it don't mark not an iota of evidence. he's never apologized too. the scene has been an extremely tense. all day. sarah, what's been going on?

bring in criminal defense attorney who's no strange toorb high-profile cases, having defended george zimmermane should not be granltsed. it's an interesting issue because of the compression and degrading of evidence. the one that was shown the jury is the proper one. that's the one in evidence and although the defense has an argument to say it was fuzzy and we couldn't present our defense with the more precise video, it is so minor in relation to most everything else that was presented, the judge should not grant the mistrial on this one. >> what about what we heard from the jury? the questions the jury had today? >> interesting that they're thinking it through. we want them to spend their time on it. we know what they mugs be struggling with after two days of deliberations is, no question he killed two people. the question is did he provoke it by walking around, sort of like a gi. joe and therefore putting himself into position? and i think the strongest thing the state didn't focus on is one shooting, maybe you thought of in the moment you had to decide. the second shooting and third shootin

. >> joining us now, former prosecutor and defense attorney for george zimmerman, mark o'mara.he jury will return to deliberations in a few hours. we will watch that closely. that was an interesting interview, where he was pressed on one of the most glaring parts of this trial where he repeatedly tried to get these pastors removed from the courtroom because of their race. talk to me about that over the course of the trial >> roddy didn't know about the gun, that's all great. that's good defense lawyering. but he cannot act -- it's the presentation. he cannot act in ignorance of the reality of what's going on around him. one of the first things he said when he first sort of made these presentations and these motions for mistrial. when he talked about reverend sharpton being in the courtroom, my ears perked up because it was so unusual. and then he doubled down the next day. i would like to think it is just an inexperienced person or lawyer not doing it the right way. but we can give him cover for one of those. when he does it again the second day, the third day. when he's the on

. >> look at george zimmerman and stand your ground. >> stand your ground is a cousin of this law. this law is more forgiven than florida stand your ground because it has other elements to it. you don't have a duty to retreat. that's stand your ground. you have to as a juror not say what would don lemon do? what would a reasonable person do? what would that guy do, a 17-year-old overwhelmed and scared by anything because he's naive. that's who you have to judge it on very generous standard and the prosecution has to prove you didn't need self-defense. you didn't act in self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt, which is our highest standard and much higher than the burden presented in many other states. it's a very, veriery easy law a you saw the results. >> we'll see what happened. so far calm although people have the right to demonstrate or whatever. let's hope that it stays this way and people do the right thing and learn -- >> one last thing. i hope that the understanding of frustration is not presented as he should have been found guilty because other people would wrongfully have

you remember george zimmerman, the neighborhood watch coordinator who killed 17-year-old trayvon martinlled police to report a suspicious person in his gated neighborhood in florida. he ignored advice from police and shot martin, later shooting the teenager in i'm sure you guessed it so-called self-defense. now all of these men sought out the very conflict they later claimed they were forced to protect theblgs themselves again. in 2014, zimmerman was acquitted. the eyes of the nation watches what goes on inside courtrooms in georgia and wisconsin. it's not just four white men in trial. white vigilanteism is on trial as well. >>>. >>> closing arguments are expected monday in the trial of kyle rittenhouse. tony evers announced 500 national guard troops will be on standby. we will talk to someone inside that courtroom in kenosha, wisconsin, excuse me there, sierra gillespie. she joins me now. it's great to have you with us. i know the judge has been making all kind of headlines, even before this case began, quite frankly, before barring the use of the word victim during the trial. he has o

so in cases like george zimmerman where he killed trayvon martin, the defendants in the ahmaud arbery trial, they're seen as heroes, and victims seen as criminals. the message sent by verdicts like the kyle rittenhouse and zimmerman case, someone that's a self proclaimed protector, self proclaimed protector of the property of others can grab a gun, place themselves in confrontational situation with a person that's done nothing wrong, demand their orders be followed by virtue of their presence, say they fear for their lives which is a police standard and kill claiming self defense in situations that they actually initiated. never in these situations is the question asked what rights do the deceased have as citizens to defend themselves. >> the arbery trial is still under way, there are similarities, the defendants are saying we were at risk in some fashion. the prosecutors seem to establish that they were not at risk in any fashion whatsoever, there was no known crime that he had committed and all points he was trying to get away from men that ultimately killed him. >> yes. and we are

not to redefend george zimmerman from almost a decade ago, when you look at the facts, themselves, the the way that george is acting, talking to police, not chasing after trayvon after he was told not there, there was a four-minute span where trayvon came back. the juries to george. when you do look at it, there are many more differences than there are similarities. but i will grant this and i have fought this my entire career. there is no question that there are still ongoing advisers in the criminal justice system against a young black male. it is great we have this verdict to say it's not as much as it used to be ten years ago or 20 years ago. but let's be realistic about this also and i'm glad about this, that we are now in the age of video. we would not have had an arrest and certainly not a conviction with george floyd's case if but for the video and we wouldn't have an investigation if it wasn't here. >> joey jackson. i'm out of time, but for 20 seconds. the feds do pursue this case. the case we're talking about tonight, right? >> they do. different theories, different standard

jewell, nicholas sandmann, ferguson, missouri, baltimore, maryland, florida, trayvon martin, george zimmermanamples the media rushing to judgment and when they do, they get it wrong over and over and over again. if we named every example we'd days.ly be here for then of course the big hoax of all hoax and that is the russia hoax, or the uva oaks published by rolling stone. hands up, don't shoot, that was the lie surrounding michael brown. post covington high school kids, nicholas sandmann. remember just a small it being the victim of a crime? amplifying these lies, the hysteria, the death of freddie gray stoke anti-police hate, didn't end up the way the mob and the media predicted it would buried multiple officers wrongly accused come all of them got off.x and of course the russia hoax, the biggest lie of all, the steele dossier, and much more. anyway, as we continue, we welcome to the program again, joining us now, ari fleischer and lara trump. lara, we will start with you. i it is always the same people and you lived through five years of a never ending almost one voice media mob lie about

the reality is that race matters in george zimmerman's trial for killing trayvon martin. man was acquitted. the jury was racially diverse, chauvin was convicted. this is typical. black jurors are discriminated against, denied their equal protection right under the constitution. black people accused of crimes can be tried with no black people in their jury and that jeopardizes their constitutional right to equal justice under the law. >> we can't exclude the fact that voting restrictions also keep you off the jury pool. if you are barred from being registered to vote, you can't be on a jury. all of these things work together. this is why critical race theory exists, y'all. this is what they study under critical race theory in law school, because there are systems in place. when i think about these trials, especially the arbery trial, all i can think about is the emmett till trial, the milam trial, the trial of these two fiends who lynched a 14-year-old boy. and an all white jury was spit-spot, they're fine. all go home. that's all i can think about. what with you? >> now it

it's a tough argument but one we've seen in the george zimmerman case in 2013. none of those a/cs was justified. the prosecution wasted no time in showing that video that has been widely circulating online of those final moments of the struggle and ahmaud arbery's mother, wanda cooper jones, was in that courtroom, an emotional day for her. you could see her really overcome with emotion seeing the video for the first time of her son's final moments in life when there was a struggle and travis mcmichael shot him three times in close range with a bump action shotgun. certainly tough to see. tough to imagine, for any mother, and she spoke after that court proceeding saying she was glad she held strong and it's heartbreaking to see but she hopes justice will be served. >> she was saying it's been so many months avoiding looking at that videotape. that was the first time that she saw it but she wanted to be able to see it there in court. liz mclaughlin, thank you, appreciate it. >>> a former doj official refusing to testify about efforts to overturn the election. the

trayvon martin, who was just walking in his own neighborhood with a hoodie on in the rain and george zimmermanided he did not belong there and he was a threat. since 2013, we have seen an incredible explosion globally organizing and movement-building that has called for accountability, that has called for a reshaping and renaming of what justice actually looks like. and has called for a reshaping and renaming of the rules that have been rigged against us for generations, that allow for these kinds of cases, often, to go scott free. we have to give credit to some of the grassroots movement that has exploded across the nation for making the context such that somebody would have to think twice before allowing these three men to go free for such an obvious murder. i think all of those things are deeply important for us to understand contextually as we think about the role of the prosecution in this case. amy: if you could comment on this moment we are in, the ahmaud arbery murr case, there verdict has just come in -- all three men found guilty of multiple felony murders. they face life in prison.

george zimmerman called 911, a juana be neighborhood watch person, called 911 and said there's a verys-look ing guy and ends up shooting and killing trayvon martin. and there you see kyle rittenhouse carrying -- carrying an assault rifle in the streets and killed two people. and he gets to go home. and one more thing -- and gary, you're from ohio, if i remember right. i kept thinking about the shooting of john crawford, iii. beaver creek, ohio in august of 2014. he's in wal-mart. he's looking for maybe a gifts or present first a young person in his family. he picks up a toy assault rifle just walking through the aisles in wal-mart shopping like anybody does. someone calls 911. the police show up. they see him and they kill him. he's carrying an assault rifle, a toy assault rifle in a toy shopping like anyone else. in ohio, it is an open-carry state so why didn't the police take that into account whether it's a toy or not? so i think the kyle rittenhouse case just -- just adds to the that was we have been having in this country about the role -- the role of race, the role of law, and t

joining me is former prosecutor and former attorney for george zimmerman in the defense in the trayvoner, first off, ayesha, what you thought of the mom going on fox news, going on hannity and what you heard from her? >> so it's really clear that this mom is comfortable in this courtroom. that the judge's efforts to hold court, if you will, in the way that he has throughout this trial has reassured her in many ways that her son is going to get what she deems to be a fair trial. and of course i think that equates to an acquittal here. those conversations she's been having with those particular jurists reinforces for us how in many ways polarized this trial has been. >> you know, mark, looking at what legal experts are saying here, even if maybe they want to say that kyle rittenhouse appears to have a lot of blame here, they say when you look at what's happened in the court, the defense has done a good job. and right now things are looking good for kyle rittenhouse. what do you think? >> they truly are for me. pretrial rulings, to his behavior throughout. but even from the first state wi

george zimmerman. they are always wrong. they rush to judgment and never allow due process and never allow the presumption of innocence. live on the ground in kenosha, wisconsin our reporter sara carter. sara, you have been there now for days. what is the latest? >> sean, i have to tell you, tensions were high today. this afternoon when i was down at the courthouse and people were preparing to hear the verdict. we had folks outside of the courthouse. there were some scuffles but mainly verbal. everybody had an opinion. here's what they had to say. >> he shot them but he didn't do and he's got to carry that the rest of his life. but he didn't do anything wrong. if anything else short of what happened today would have been a tragedy and a travesty. >> how do you feel about the verdict. >> i am a 60-year-old black woman. do you think that surprised me? i understand. >> i've been living -- i was born here, so i understand. >> sean, here in kenosha, a lot of the residents were preparing for the worst. some boarded up their busine

mark o'meara was george zimmerman's defense attorney in the infamous trayvon martin murder trial and helped get zimmerman acquitted. and laura coates, former federal prosecutor and cnn super duper senior legal analyst. it's good to have you both. first let's talk a little bit about the judge in these s sidebars, although sometimes in the presence of the jury, and then where we think things stand. going after the prosecutor the way he does, not letting the prosecutor ask rittenhouse about what he had said about shooting looters at blm protests in the past, and not getting to ask that witness about the place that he works and the politics behind it, fair or unfair? >> well, i think it is unfair. of course you don't want to put your thumb on the scale to aid prosecutors because of course there is already a lot of weight when you have a jurisdiction versus an individual. there's already a lot of things stacked against that defendant. but not putting the thumb on the scale is not the same thing as tying the prosecutor's arm behind their back when there are legitimate purposes for introduc

joining me is paul butler, form pros core tonight i felt like it was flash backs to george zimmerman. rittenhouse saying this sort of really dramatic thing the person he shot supposedly said it sounded like a gangster movie, you know, and then this whole thing of, you know, the whole breaking down and dry heaving in court was one thing we didn't see from zimmerman but making himself the victim and sort of making himself seem more innocent, which zimmerman trial also featured. and the judge sort of almost like it was his dad. like, you know, i don't think -- i mean, since the zimmerman trial, i haven't seen anything like it. it seems similar to me. >> today the jurors saw what must be the greatest performance of kyle rittenhouse's life. he was well prepared by his defense attorneys to disrupt his image as a trigger happy vigilante who went on a shooting rampage at a black lives matter protest. on the stand he was polite and deliberate. when rittenhouse got emotional l, it may have come across to the jury as a genuine expression of remorse or on the other hand crocodile tears designed t

. >> look at what happened with george zimmerman and the stand your ground. >> stand your ground is alaw. in fact, i would say this law is even more forgiving than florida's stand your ground because it has other elements to it. it's you don't have a duty to retreat. that's basically stand your ground. you have to, as a juror, not say what would don lemon do? what would a reasonable person do? it's what would that guy do? a 17-year-old that i think is overwhelmed and scared by anything because he is naive. that's who you have to judge it on. very generous standard. and the prosecution has to prove you didn't need self-defense. you didn't act in self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt, which is our highest standard and much higher than the burden presented in many other states. >> yeah. >> it's a very, very easy law. and you saw the results. >> well, we'll see what happens. so far, calm. and it should be. although, you know, people have the right to demonstrate or whatever. but let's hope that it stays this way and people do the right thing. >> i just -- i just hope -- one last thing --

and we're going to answer the key legal questions with mark o'mara, he defended george zimmerman in the trayvon case. take us inside the room for your experience. everybody is aware, everyone's watching. this is heavy. there's a lot of political overtones. there's a huge set of instructions. one day in, what was it like in that room? >> i think the first day is always about all the jurors getting their thoughts out. they've held all this information in for the entire trial. they haven't been able to talk about it or tell anybody about it. now it's their chance to go over the points they thought were key, the evidence that they thought was key, and just get their thoughts out. i'm pretty sure they spent most of today going over what they thought of all the evidence, what they thought of rittenhouse taking the stand and the defense and prosecution's case. >> that takes that long to hear everybody vent where they are and where they're not. and then do you remember with your situation, the instructions, were the instructions an issue? >> the instructions are tough a little bit. i think with

>> let's talk about this with an attorney to worked to help select the jury in the trial of george zimmerman. robert, good to see you this morning. you say this case won't be decided based on race but on guns. can you explain that? >> you bet. good morning, brianna. thank you for having me. on behalf of all your viewers, i want to say you and john are doing a great job as shepherds of "new day." so, listen -- >> thank you. >> -- in terms of this case, it is not about race. it is going to be all about -- in terms of these deliberations, jurors' views on guns. are they gun right jurors, or are they gun control jurors? when you're talking about whether or not the conduct of this teenager -- we have to remember, teenagers don't make really good decisions, especially 17-year-olds -- but for him to go down to what was -- to this part of the country at the time, which was a hotbed of action, for him to go to the fight, i think it depends on your view. is he defending himself in terms of once he put himself in that position, or did he put himself in harm's way to be more of a vigilante? so the botto

it's whether or not we allow george zimmerman, even though he's told by the dispatch, stay in your car, to hunt down a black kid who's guilty of walking in a hoodie and then he claims self-defense and becomes a hero and martyr. so what is the country we want, a country where any aggrieved white man feels he can take a gun and shoot and kill with impunity, not just impunity but then be a hero, a person who's given internships in congress, a person who becomes a martyr and the rest of us, meanwhile, are terrified of taking a knee to protest police brutality at a football game unless get canceled by colin kaepernick. and this is the question people should be asking themselves. and the last thing i'll say is white folks, you will not be spared. the victims of kyle rittenhouse were white, and this is a remake in america's history because white folks who try to help black and brown folks when it came to desegregation were seen as race traitors and also killed by white folks. look at the language people are openly espousing right now, that they had it coming, these leftists had it coming. thi

what do we as frustrated americans looking at a situation like this, looking at a situation of george zimmerman going out of his way to find trouble and killing trayvon martin when he was carrying skittles. here you got a kid who decides he's going to cross state lines with an ar-15 which he bought because he says he thought it was quote "cool," i guarantee you gun rights people cringed when they heard that. they cringe when they see people running around in public spaces willing ar-15s and aiming them at people. what do you do in these cases. he made all of these choices and gets in the middle of the riot and he pleads self-defense while he carries around an ar-15. i understand it's going to be hard for some of these charges to stick. my god, there is a charge for reckless of endangerment of other people or some other charge that can stick for somebody who acts recklessly as he does and in a way did this type of tragedy. >> joe, i think you raise an interesting question and the recklessness is apart of it. what i will say for many of us frustrated with the facts of this case as they were playi

this whole matter expected george zimmerman, a self-appointed neighborhood watchman.'m going to make sure the neighborhood is safe. safe from who? host: let's go to lou, who is calling from highland park, illinois. lou, good morning. caller: good morning. how are you? host: good. caller: one, if all the injured people in this case were black, this would never have hit the news like it did. this stuff happens in chicago all the time. no one gives a damn. secondly, i think all sides in this case are wrong. it is one of those situations where a boy who went into the town holding a gun, which is very provoking, imagine someone walking into your house, holding an ak-47, you would be provoked into defending yourself and hurting that person, whether he pulled the trigger or not. i think there is all kinds of visions that are not being discussed. i think the third case is think of jacob blake. he is paralyzed for life. and in that situation, i think everyone was wrong. the cops could have handled him much better, without shooting him. the cops had all the time. and you don't

. >> yeah. >> but george zimmerman went out of his way to make trouble and kill trayvon. >> there werending zimmerman. then we found out who zimmerman was, right? >> right. >> as if shooting trayvon wasn't enough, we find out over time, they slowly start peeling away. but this kid went across state lines shot a guy in the back and killed another guy with a skateboard. >> testimony resumes later today. >>> still ahead, some of the most read opinion pages on the heels of election day. >>> plus, the 97-year-old who just won a second term as mayor. keep it right here on "morning joe." every day in business brings something new. so get the flexibility of the new mobile service designed for your small business. introducing comcast business mobile. you get the most reliable network with nationwide 5g included. and you can get unlimited data for just $30 per line per month when you get four lines or mix and match data options. available now for comcast business internet customers with no line-activation fees or term contract required. see if you can save by switching today. comcast business. p

george zimmerman said he also followed a suspect who turned on him and tried to grab his gun. the difference, as you know, is there was no videotape. so there were two witnesses to that shooting and one of them was dead. the only one that survived was the defendant, who was able to give testimony. this shows the power of videotape. by the way, so does rittenhouse. that case turned much on the videotape. we remain a visual species, videotapes are viewed as something that doesn't lie. i'm not surprised that this jury, like the rittenhouse jury, wanted to see that video again. >> trace: yeah, that's exactly right. professor, standby. we talk about the videotape here and we should note when the professor says that "roddie" bryan, he said it was divine intervention that brought him around to bring his cell phone up and start videotaping, that was part of the defense. want to bring in the former d.c. detective, defense attorney and fox news contributor. "roddie" bryan started videotaping it and that's how we have this videotape of the jury wanted to see again and again. the prosecut

so it's sort of like a george zimmerman case where he became a hero of extremists.ough. we have seen videos of this guy beating up girls. can you imagine that, beating up girls and going around with a t-shirt that trolls the fact that he's out of prison? well, again, not to be pesky with details. he killed two people. i don't know what ptsd likes like where you are joking about being free is you know what. again, i am concerned for the people who are trying turn this kid into a hero. ask police officers whether he's a hero or ask people whether supported gun rights whether they want guns running around the streets. i think it was on thursday or friday, i saw on twitter. i said that he fired 60 rounds. obviously anybody follows this knows it's not the case. he fires most of his rounds according to "the washington post." i asked the question to declare and that was the question i tried to ask. it's always early in the morning and i obviously misspoke. jonathan lemire though, it's strange how people define conservatives in the most bizarre way and they go out of their

it goes back to george zimmerman in florida.sued a man and turn it around to where the victim became the aggressor and that's the way it was charged. number three, 8 million jobs and filled. -- 8 billion jobs unfilled. where are we going to get the people? how about the southern border? host: calling from burlington, north carolina on the republican line. freddie, good money. caller: a story that's not been reported is president trump was found not guilty of sexual assault. the clintons made up the fake dossier. host: let's talk to donna who was calling from illinois on the democrat line. donald good morning. caller: hello. thank you for taking my call. i like to tell you that one of the reasons people aren't going back to work is this forced overtime where they are forcing people to work 12 hours a day and some people cannot do it, like me because i had a stroke in 2018. my physical ability cannot allow me to work 12 hours. i can work eight hours. i've done that. but 12 hours, after that eight hours my blood pressure just conti

murderers of a modern greek -- ahmaud arbery guilty helps me reconcile the not guilty verdict of george zimmerman in the trayvon martin case. we still have a long way to go. democratic congresswoman from south florida. barbara lee of california saying nothing will lessen the pain of his murder, but today is a step towards justice for his family, hearing the guilty verdict brought tears from my eyes. injustice against black people is the norm. we have much work ahead, but today offered a glimmer of hope. a democrat from hawaii saying, jerry confirmed what we all knew, ahmaud arbery was targeted, attacked, and killed because of the color of his skin, and it should not have taken weeks of protests for charges to be brought against his murderers. justice was served, but it does not bring ahmad back. debbie wasserman schultz saying, for this young man's family, i pray it brings some solace and peace in their heartbreaking loss, and i hope the verdict reminds all americans, especially the african-american community, that while we still have much work to do, justice is still attainable. may ahmaud arber