>> that leaves rudy giuliani on the losing end in a defamation suit.ansparent, joy, what rudy is trying to do. he's trying to persuade people i may have been negligent, i may have been grossly negligent or reckless but it wasn't malicious. i didn't intentionally lie. he's holding up his own recklessness as a shield against a jury some day concluding no, you intentionally lied. so here is the good news, legally speaking, it's a very short walk from recklessness to maice to intentionally lying and nobody has to believe rudy giuliani saying i was only negligent or only reckless. he appears to have been intentionally lying so he has trouble ahead in the defamation suit. >> would it surprise you, tim o'brien if -- i know your answer but i'll let you talk about that. it feels like he's on the outside looking in, that he would be the guy that winds up being thrown over the side because he did go out and make the claims. he was the face of the big lie for so long and in so many ways even on the day of the insurrection. would it surprise if if he wound up being

commissioner when rudy giuliani was mayor. bernard kerik pleaded guilty to committing federal crimes as police commissioner and was sentenced to four years in federal prison. the only reason bernard kerik was subpoenaed is because he was operating as a right-hand man to rudy giuliani in an attempt to steal the election. why was bernard kerik subpoena bud rudy giuliani wasn't? we'll speed what congressman adam schiff, a member of the january 6 committee has to say than in just a minute. michael flynn is also on today's list of subpoenas. he of course pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi and was pardoned by donald trump on the night before thanksgiving last year, three weeks after joe biden was declared the winner of the presidential election. the pardoned michael flynn immediately threw himself at high speed into trying to help donald trump steal the election. attorney john eastman was one of the six subpoenaed. he is the author of the infamous and utterly false legal memo claiming that vice president mike pence had the authority

is undermining our national security. >> rudy giuliani was considered to be a great force of law and was one of the heroes of 9/11. >> and i think that's part of why it was so disturbing to watch him unravel and watch him debase himself in support of this guy who they thought that he was better than. >> by the way, do you have any idea that the state department -- shut up, shut up. you don't know what you're talking about. >> chris, chris, chris. >> he was kind of a mess, but he was always around, and he was only loyal, and that was the only thing that seemed to matter to the president. >> he's a great guy. he knows it's a witch hunt. >> we followed his press conference very closely, and was very aware of what the view of him was in mainstream circles. >> he was nothing but respectful to all of us here, shook hands, took pictures with us, greeted all the cops. but, you know, i think going on tv, i don't know if something changes. >> he once told me my view of my legacy is the quote, f-it. >> thank you for coming. i'm here on behalf of the trump campaign as an attorney for the preside

>> the biggest part for me was seeing giuliani pull up in two black suburbans.reaming. nobody famous has ever been here. and it was almost like it was in slow motion, like him walking into the office. >> i actually wasn't going to come here. and i got a phone call from my son, anthony, and he said, mom, this is bigger than we think. and he sends me a picture while i'm talking to him. and rudy is sitting at my desk and the plaque in front of my desk says boss lady. i looked at my husband and i said, i think we better get over there. >> we demand a fair election! we demand a fair election! we demand a fair election! we demand a fair election! >> there was a crowd of people, both biden and trump supporters were there they were going back and forth with each other and the cops showed up and the entire front road was shut down. and that's when it got very nerve-racking for me. >> it was just overwhelming. i looked around, tried to figure out who everybody was. the press conference was about to start. i stood on top of a press conference so i could see and i just watc

do i need to stay here and listen to rudy giuliani or go back to philadelphia where people are goinglection? and then you see people start to pack up their stuff. >> many of them had to leave because the primary story wasn't that rudy giuliani was challenging the election results. the story was that biden had just won the presidency. if somebody asked me where were you when they called the election for joe biden, i'd say, well, i was in the parking lot of four seasons total landscaping. >> thank you. >> the president's lawyer left as the news came in that joe biden had been declared the victor. perhaps this is why they chose the industrial state. they wouldn't be heard or welcomed in downtown philadelphia. a city in a state which delivered donald trump the white house four years ago, pennsylvania is now the state which pushed joe biden over the line. >> i just thought, sure, we said yeah, and it was going to be over. period. >> we would have done this for either political campaign. we just wanted to be helpful. >> and we just had no idea what we were in for. >> have you seen my press

>> trump decided to put giuliani in charge and that's what he did.willing to do what he wanted. >> and that is what led to this now-infamous press conference mid-november featuring rudy giuliani and another lawyer named sydney powell. >> the dominion voting systems were created in venezuela at the direction of hugo chavez to make sure that he never lost an election. >> the only thing left was to vote. that could have been the same person 30 times. >> one of the most characteristic features is its ability to flip votes. >> thank you. >> ben ginsberg, the republican party election attorney who has battled with democrats on many re-counts and recalls were watching. >> when i first heard the press conference, i said, oh, my god, can that really be true? because if there was nothing there, they would not just be making it up and then they went through the entire press conference and i sort of remember looking out the window and saying they just made all that up. >> they did. this campaign memo from six days before the press conference first reported by "t

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while all that is happening, we are also aware that rudy giuliani is coming to philadelphia. >> wow,hat a beautiful day, thank you. >> going to the four seasons landscaping place to say that our voters' votes should not be counted. >> i was about to bring up four seasons total landscaping because it was -- >> in philadelphia, they keep the votes of dead people secret. >> the most -- >> suspect method of voting. >> degrading. >> there was no secure. pathetic. >> zero. >> people have no assurance at all that those ballots were cast -- >> farsical moment in my view of the post election day challenge of all. >> and inappropriate. >> and was unanimously cast for joe biden to catch up. >> they did not intend to have it at four seasons landscaping, across from a crematorium and a sex shop. >> and it was the day trump got the news he didn't want to hear. >> he was told that it was over and he listened and he decided that he wanted to keep fighting. >> so. >> trump decided to put giuliani in charge and that's what he did. giuliani was willing to do what he wanted. >> and that is what led to t

dominion has to show two things here, first that rudy giuliani lied.question that he lied that crazy stuff you just heard him talking about trips to venezuela. the second thing is that rudy giuliani knew it was false or should have known. and when you admit that as a member of the bar you stood up at a microphone and didn't even bother to check, didn't have time for whatever reason. that's essentially admitting that you should have known. and every time i see rudy do something ridiculous like this, jim, makes me cringe because he's just become an embarrassment to himself, to the legal profession. it's really just a shame. >> yeah. it's a total catastrophe. in the meantime, the house select committee says former doj official jeffrey clark refused to answer their questions friday. here's some exclusive video on cnn walking there, he is a key figure in all this because lawmakers believe he was part of trump's attempt to get states to throw out already certified election results. how long can this process play out, do you think? >> yeah, jeffrey clark's an

a conspicuous name missing from the list, of course, is rudy giuliani.at all these folks were doing. but how it appears right now is that the select committee is essentially working its way up the ladder, working inward to people closer and closer to trump just to get a detail picture of what happened and why it happened. >> two follow-ups on this, bets, one quickly here. just because giuliani isn't part of this batch we don't know whether for sure he's not part of any batches of subpoenas or not or whether this might be come down the road from the select committee. we have no guidance reporting on that. >> of course. there's no reason whatsoever to believe that this is a final batch of subpoenas. >> almost certainly not. >> more likely to come in the final weeks. >> you made a point and, danny, i want you to jump in on this point. these are folks not serving in the white house on january 6th meaning that executive privilege claim could become harder for them to make. however, betsy, as you know, steve bannon was also not serving in the white house on ja

and the people that were at the willard hotel running the command center, people like mayor rudy giuliani, john eastman, bernie karrick, they were simply thely ahsans in

kerik is an ally of rudy giuliani, his former. boss he worked with to quote,, investigate allegation of voter fraud. the committee notes reporting that kerik paid for rooms, suites, in washington d.c. hotel and served as elections commence enter. it's nice that he paid, i guess. you participate in the january 5th meeting, at the hotel, he also pardon, steve bannon. john eastman, others. this is where we are tonight with outstanding subpoenas for angela mccallum, who by the way, i hope she has a lawyer, she definitely should get one, miss mccallum if you're watching. john eastman, michael flynn, and bernard carrot, as well as steve bannon who has made no moves to comply despite the contempt vote against him. so we wait to see what the newly subpoenaed trump allies, january six committee and department of justice will do next. congresswoman is the member of the select committee, to just issued these subpoenas, and she joins me now. zoe lofgren, is there a unifying the here in these folks, or should we interpret this as the committee

where do those lines krozed from that war room with rudy giuliani potentially?act potentially to some of what happened at the capitol in terms of the violence. if you look at the federal statue for conspiracy to commit sedition, that linkage is critical of what we hearing what happened on january the 5th, the riots happened on january 6th. if you are apart of the conspiracy and to stop the counting of the electoral votes and a clear reading of the u.s. statue on conspiracy to commit sedition would mean anybody that was in the white house or anybody that was over at the willard and that so-called war room were conspireing to do that and stop the count by this protest and riot. it's clear the doj would take a look at that because they would be guilty most likely or at least be brought up on charges for being apart of a conspiracy to commit sedition. it's very clear. >> i am sorry. we got to connect this. two days later, january 8th as we lay out in the book. this is general millie, anderson sees the chinese are watching what's going on in the united states and the

mid-november featuring rudy giuliani and another lawyer named sydney powell. >> the dominion voting were created in venezuela at the direction of hugo chavez to make sure he never lost an election. >> the only thing left is the vote. that could have been the same person 30 times. >> one of its most characteristic features is its ability to flip votes. >> thank you. >> ben ginsburg, the preeminent republican party election attorney who has battled with democrats on many recounts and recalls, was watching. >> when i first heard that press conference, i said, oh, my god, can that really be true? because if there was nothing there, they wouldn't just be making it up. and then they went through the entire press conference, and i sort of remember looking out the window and saying, they just made all that up. >> they did. this campaign memo from six days before the press conference first reported by "the new york times" says, "dominion has no company ties to venezuela. dominion and one of its former employees would later sue giuliani and powell for more than $1 billion. a court document fi

republicans come close allies are being pressured by the whitest, mark meadows chief of staff, rudy giuliani and john eastman, this conservative lawyer, to think through how to help president trump get his aim of the ring some of these electors out, moving the election to the house of representatives where republicans because they have control of the most delegations could potentially tip the election to president trump. in a very important beating comes on january fourth where vice president pence and his lawyer and his advisers come in to the oval office. president trump is there with john eastman this conservative lawyer, and for the first time we published this memo that is got a lot of attention, a six part memo from john eastman outlining how mike pence get to what electors and give the election to trump. and you see in the scene president trump saying to try to listen to john eastman. listen to john. listen to john. and eastman has this memo think it's constitutional and legal for pence to essentially walk up on january 6th and then walk away. so this is president trump having a press

why was rudy giuliani outside of a landscaping company? >> you have to tune in the film. the film is tonight. today is national four seasons day. he was there giving the press conference in front of the garage door and he was you doing what he does best which is stir the pot, to create disorder. i think trump and the campaign thrived on chaos and just trying to get any attention they could and they did a really good job except the attention they drew to themselves was all premised on these allegations of voter fraud that didn't actually exist. >> mike, how did you find out that giuliani was at four seasons landscaping? are you doing landscaping or all merchandising or leveled out? >> we pretty much leveled out. we'll have one of the most busy snow seasons with the contracts picked up. we have merchandising up there for anybody who wants it. when it came to the whole notoriety of this we kind of just, you know, we ran with it but really didn't help coming the actual landscaping portion. it got the name out there. if you google us we are the number one searched land scaper

vice president pence getting ready for the rally and this is the big moment and the hotel, in giuliani other fmr. president trump allies settling together in the own sort of war from enough in the streets and i was out there reporting washington and it was chaos, cops fighting with the protesters and protesters in red caps walking through the streets and we found out is that fmr. president trump opens the door to the oval office and freezing weather and he takes it all in and here is his supporters, and he said isn't that terrific and some of his aides come in the room they started shivering they said was going on, could sue because authority does not. he keeps an opening wants to hear his people out there. and bob woodward said to me, it almost reminded him of nixon talking to the pictures on the wall in 1974. >> and what is interesting about it and we talked about this at length because when we discovered what happened at this moment, it is almost a mystical engagement that fmr. president trump has with them all out there, people and he's mesmerized by it. we discussed this and when

also new video of rudy giuliani admitting under oath that he didn't do any due diligence on the lieshe election. he just spread them. it's a reminder that in many ways both in the committee process and the courts accountability continues. joined by washington bureau chief and your thoughts? >> right with a key word. accountability. what this committee is doing. i'm glad they're not just looking at what happened on january 6th. we know most of that story. the violence, the insurrectionist violence. we don't know what trump did throughout the day. a great "washington post" slam-bang, three-part story that came out a few days ago showing trump kind of confused. telling kevin mccarthy at one point it's antifa and yelling at kevin mccarthy, these people care about trump more than you do. can't be both. right? we still don't know a lot what went on at the white house that day. but the jeffrey clark part of this i think is really important. he was a senior justice department official, headed 9 civil division. had nothing to do with election fraud. or ballot, you know, vote counting anywhere

presumably they are interested in rudy giuliani but they're working their way up? >> it seems that way. we remember those wacky press conferences where rudy giuliani was presenting false evidence to try to back up the lie. i'm also keeping my eye on the author of that dubious memo that laid a legal claim for how vice president mike pence could up end the entire process and not certify the election. we're looking at the top sort of lieutenants of the trump world. it will be interesting to see -- >> another lawmaker promoting the big lie is paul gosar. he's under fire for tweeting an an may video which shows him killing alexandria ocasio-cortez. his sister was on msnbc last night. >> i am absolutely beyond aghast at how much this man has gotten away with. i don't know what he would need to do for any one of those people in a, quote, leadership position to held him accountable and i must ask attorney general merrick garland where are you? >> as a member of the house, is he completely immune to any kind of action for things he does online? i know anything he says on th

and i think giuliani will be on the hook for millions of dollars.s supposed to address harm to reputation. these company's reputations were horribly damaged by these total falsehoods that he put out there with reckless disregard for the truth. i think these will be disastrous for him. and they may well be disastrous for the media out looks like fox news that put it on critically. >> what did you make of his demeanor and does it matter in this case? >> if it goes to a jury, it could mean a great deal. jurors look at how they look and feel and sound. and him failing to recognize the seriousness of what he was doing and the impact of what he was doing and his complete lack of interest and lack of curiosity and lack of work in determining whether what he was saying was true, other than with something someone told him, it's just outrageous. . >> he just said out loud i didn't go check the facts at all. in at all. at all. >> all right. jeffrey toobin, thanks for being with us. >> all right. >>> the trial of three men charged with killing ahmaud arbery. wi

if we go back to that period of time, trump and giuliani were really pressing the things about hunter biden's laptop. but in that time it was a diary -- details from a diary that came out. what the d.o.j. is investigating is how was this stolen, who stole it? what happened. as part of that investigation on thursday officials in new york executed a search warrant with people who worked with project veritas to try to find out more about what role those individuals may have had in obtaining this. short low after we posted our story, james o'keefe, the head of project veritas, put a video out in which he acknowledged the fact that project veritas had been subpoenaed by federal prosecutors in new york as part of this investigation, that the raids had gone on. and he said that the group did indeed come into possession of this diary, but they had done so as journalists. he called themselves journalists and said this was journalism and they had decided not to publish it and decided to return to it ashley by den and give it to federal authorities. he said their group is being targeted by the b

. >> now we need to talk about rudy giuliani. cnn has obtained this video taped deposition.nder oath, this is the anatomy of a conspiracy theory, okay, this is how it all gets planted, the disinformation because under oath, he admits he really had no idea what he was talking about. this is about the dominion voting systems. you'll remember when that was a big issue they were trying to push that there was some sort of conspiracy and that they had changed votes. here is rudy giuliani in his own words. >> we had a report that the heads of dominion and smartmatic, somewhere in the mid-tweens, you know, 2013, '14, whatever, went down to venezuela for a get to know me with maduro so they could demonstrate to maduro the kind of fixing they did for chavez. >> you say the heads of dominion and smartmatic. >> yes, that's what i was told before the press conference. i was told about it. sometimes i go and look myself online when stuff comes up. this time, i didn't have time to do it. it's not my job in a fast moving case to go out and investigate every piece of evidence that's given to

committee says in that meeting bannon and giuliani discussed overturning the election results. according to investigators, former new york city police commissioner bernard kerik was also at the willard. kerik also happens to be a quite a bitted felon who served time in federal prison but was later pardoned by trump. the committee also appears to be focusing on the effort to turn the trump 2020 campaign into a vehicle for subverting the election. the subpoena for former trump campaign manager bill stepien says, quote, you then supervised the conversion of the trump presidential campaign to an effort focused on stop the steal messaging and related fund-raising. as for michael flynn, former trump national security adviser for a couple of days who had a starring role in the russia investigation after lying to the feds, the committee's subpoena to him says, quote, you reportedly attended a december 18, 2020, meeting in the oval office, during which participants discussed seizing voting machines declaring a national emergency. the subpoena also notes flynn's comments in december of 2

new video obtained by cnn shows powell and giuliani testifying under oath in a deposition as part ofiled by dominion voting systems in august. at one point, giuliani concedes that he often had no proof to back up his wild claims about the election. >> it's not my job, in a fast-moving case, to go out and investigate every piece of evidence that's given to me. otherwise, you're never going to write a story, you'll never come to a conclusion. >> and another big focus of the january 6th select committee, the intelligence failures that led up to the chaos on that day. cnn learning that the committee interested in the roles of two individuals brought in to the department just two months before january 6th, who implemented changes that some capitol police officers said led to all the confusion on january 6th. wolf? >> ryan nobles, thank you very much. let's get more on all of this. joining us now, cnn's jake tapper, the anchor of "the lead." thanks very much for doing this, and thanks for your reporting. we'll do about it in a moment. but this obstruction that's going on by jeffrey clark,

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what was the extent of trump's conversations with rudy giuliani and bannon and others. when we discovered his memo, we found two-page memo many are calling it a blueprint. who directs him to do it? we know mike lee of utah, there are still unanswered questions. they're going to try to fight this all the way to the supreme court to avoid answering questions. >> bob, what about the question of executive privilege? we heard that around steve bannon. he was the host of the podcast, he was at the willard helping to lead that charge. how far do we think executive privilege extends if it does at all? >> i am skeptical of a reporter of claims of executive privilege in this circumstance. john eastman had been given interviews about his conduct. >> he was not in the white house. there is all a way to see if the supreme court weighs in and protects privilege. that's why the doj matters here. is it going to be a criminal investigation of this insurrection in any way. the criminal investigation is what opens up watergate. it enables the supreme court to say we need to get the inform

. >> giuliani versace, was a true original, life always came with fireworks. >> i don't think there was a model that wasn't involved within. >> he was on top of a mountain. >> andrew lasted for a taste of that world, versace seemed to personify a lot that he wanted to. be >> the always one had a big want, louis oh i want, that i would like -- that >> what was he willing to do to get? it >> he looked at me and he said, you have no idea what i am capable of. >> there was a rock that was rolled up and there was a body inside. >> he kept the guy in his truck. >> and then he really became their prime, and only suspect. >> by that time, he was far away. >> it seems like we were always one step behind him. >> andrew, just walked up right behind, him and shot. him >> we just heard another gunshot. it's johnny versace. >> a lot of things were left unanswered. >> he was determined to be remembered. >> the only way to be remembered is to kill for fame. he was willing to came co for fame. >> once there was a true genius who conquered the capital of fashion, and earned worldwide fame. and once, ther

new video obtained by cnn shows powell and giuliani testifying under oath in a deposition as part ofwsuit filed by dominion voting systems in august. at one point, giuliani concedes that he often had no proof to back up his wild claims about the election. >> it's not my job in a fast-moving case to go out and investigate every piece of evidence that's given to me. wizz you'll never write a story. you'll never come to a conclusion. >> reporter: the january 6th select committee as a lot of decisions to make. they're huddled behind closed doors hashing out many of these including the next steps toward jeffrey clark. there's a possibility that criminal contempt could be on the table for clark. they're also trying to bring in information from other witnesses. thompson has said there are as many as 20 subpoenas could go out to people that they need information from as soon as next week. jake? >> lots going on, on the hill. ryan only ins, thanks. >>> join me tonight for a special report, "trumping democracy: an american coup." key republican officials share never before heard details about

rudy giuliani came down to a state senate meeting and showed the video out of sequence and made a narrative that they were finding these balance and stuffing the boxes. we brought in our investigator and the georgia bureau of investigation and fbi. everyone looked at the full tape and they said nothing is there. that went into their report. the former attorney for the northern district resigned. they brought in the attorney for the southern district as acting director. they both said there was nothing there. what had gotten out on fox news, and all my contractor friends work calling me about it, looking at what rudy giuliani was putting out, a false narrative. that is what we were facing from day one. we are still fighting it over a year later and you're asking me that. we responded to that immediately. it has been totally debunked. it is one of those urban legends out there that makes it difficult. talk about that in my book so you have the full information about what happened and did not happen in state farm. host: let's hear from connecticut, good morning. mary lou, good morning. we will

but i think there's relationships that develop over time and giuliani became a mayor, cuomo became aernor. the relationship that this family has had in new york goes back in entiree generation. i remember when his dad was a senator. i think what i tends to reflects an embedded power or relationship that is very long-lasting and very much a part of how journalism works and how you get the stories. there are only certain kinds of people that are being bought into those rooms and cuomo can make bad jokes but we will not do that. i think that the bias that you're talking about in terms of class in region and ideology and that is really my critique. how we cover the powerful reflects an idea very much so what the media elite understand tods be power and why that is important in in the media itself areal powerful. especially at the national level. >> one question, he asked whether we could discuss upon access and representation problems, even to add a layer onto that question how would you address the difference between who has access to consume the news and who is represented" newsroom an

mayor giuliani asked me my father to run, to increase republicans on staten island. my mother was diagnosed, not long before not long before that, it was a muscle disease. so is the right thing, he won borough president, which is left -- left his congressional seat. it was just a dream come true, watching him, following him and following the discussions and the debates. to have an opportunity to serve in the united states house of representatives. it was probably about the highest honor i could think of. >> what was his reaction we you told him you wanted to run? >> oh, horror. when i told him i wanted to run for new york city council, he opened up, and took out a card and he said to me, take this, keep it in your bag, because you will need it. it's a tough business, but it's a beautiful business. my father, always, he is the true public servant. so, he always thought that this, and his daughter, or anybody who would ever say, i would like to run for office, he would never discourage. even though he would worry, sometimes, it would be rough and tumble. but, the abili

giuliani, powell, prominent conservatives.iss the case that's pending. but they did do the depositions and you video you'll hear how they lay out the objective, namely feeding fears. not with facts. facts be damned. no proof of truth necessary. case in point, a theory that has been played mostly for laughs, claim made on national tv. two american companies were working with a dead venezuelan dictator. absurd, yet absorbed. listen. >> we had a report that the heads of dominion and smart mattek, somewhere in the mid teens, you know, 2013, '14, whatever, went down to venezuela for a get to know me with me duro, so they could demonstrate the kind of vote fixing they did for -- for chavez. >> barely say it, let alone believe it. fallen man, from america's mayor, to trump's stooge. a former federal prosecutor who says repeatedly he couldn't be bothered to be verified whether any of the claims he was making were backed up by facts. >> you said that heads of dominion and smart mattek? >> yes, that's what i was told, before the press c

i'm not looking to be rudy giuliani standing in front of a mulch pile.ciattarelli plans on conceding tomorrow. he lost the race. it lost it eight days ago. yesterday, voting rights lawyer mark elias made a point about this. >> on last tuesday, terry mcauliffe lost a close election. the margin right now stands at 1.9%. he conceded the next morning. in new jersey, the republican candidate for governor lost by nearly 3%. he has not conceded. think about that. all of the pressure in the republican party is on their candidates never concede, never accept the results when they lose an election. that will lead to trouble in 2022 and 2024. >> it's not a fluke. it's a new strategy that new jersey republican candidate jack ciattarelli is not a trump loyalist. he have not favored to win. yet he tried to hold on. didn't concede. meant to undercut the ining at the-- the integrity of our democracy. charles, great to have you on. you covered a lot of races in jersey through the years. is this abnormal to wait this long when the result is this clear? >> 1997 comes to mi

and former new york city police commissioner and ex-felon, who worked with rudy giuliani to investigate fraud that never existed. also subpoenaed, john eastman, a trump lawyer who crafted a plan for using vice president mike pence to invalidate the election results. >> and all we are demanding of vice president pence is this afternoon at 1:00 he let the legislatures of the state look into this so we can get to the bottom of it, and the american people know whether we have control of the direction of our government or not. >> finally, there's michael flynn, trump's former national security adviser who discussed invoking martial law after the election. >> if he wanted to, he could take military capabilities and place them in the states and basically re-run an election. >> so these people have beenish s -- been issued subpoenas, but will they comply. you might wonder if compliance is optional, as the justice department has yet to decide whether to prosecute steve bannon for publicly, brazenly refusing to testify. merrick garland and the department haven't determined whether to charge him w

giuliani has already had his law license suspended in new york because of the many, many false claims he made to the courts. now sidney powell is facing the prospect of similar penalties, p up to and potentially including her disbarment in texas. this hearing today was held behind closed doors. if the texas bar association's disciplinary committee finds grounds to move forward on disciplinary proceedings against her as a lawyer, that trial, effectively a trial for her law license, it could be held publicly, it could be held privately as today's hearing was. again, we shall see. >>> former president trump himself this afternoon was confronted with this undoubtedly very un-william headline in "the washington post."ed quote, manhattan d.a. convenes new grand jury in trump organization case to weigh potential charges. former president trump this summer had to endure multiple felony criminal charges being i brought against his business, the trump organization, and personally against the chief financial officer of his business, a man named allen weisselberg.ly those charges came about rough

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his poorly represented by the rudy giuliani's. that hair dye running down their face, and thatd ridiculous lawsuits on the to defend our democracy when donald trump called on the phone and asked him to find votes that don't exist. anyone else would have been indicted by now. we may not be so lucky next time. think what the republicans are doing around legislatures around the country is running with this big lie to position themselves to succeed they filled with the last insurrection. by over turning the election. if that should happen, not only would we have someone cheat their way into office, but the turmoil in the country would be unprecedented. that is my greatest fear for the future. but i do what to mention and i of time in the book to this. there are some really heroic figures who came out of this dark chapter. they are the ones we have to look to for inspiration about how do we get through this? the reason for optimistic people like bill taylor, who served his country in vietnam pretty graduate in the top of his class in w

he also allegedly worked with rudy giuliani to promote baseless allegations of voter fraud. karic is the first one we're hearing about issuing a public statement about these subpoenas. he is saying this to cnn -- "i will not be threatened, intimidated, force into bankruptcy or silenced at the hands of this committee who are not looking for the truth but targeting patriots and members of the president's legal team that wanted nothing more than to investigate and expose those irregularities." so he's already airing his defiance. but as you talked about at the top, the question remains here, will any of these latest six subpoenaed trump allies comply or will they follow steve bannon's lead and defy these subpoenas, especially given the fact the justice department, 2 1/2 weeks in now, still has not decided to prosecute bannon for that criminal contempt referral. interestingly, none of these six, just like steve bannon, none were government employees, and that could make any claims they might make about executive privilege a step like we've seen with steve bannon. guys? >> we'll

i have the stack of lindsey graham memos that he got from giuliani. and if you go through this, it is just bs. and lindsey graham had his chief counsel on the senate judiciary committee look at this, and very systematically, and there is no truth, no fact, and so we now have trump out there, essentially making the rational for a future candidacy that the 2020 election was stolen. zero evidence. >> zero evidence. this comes down right now on the subpoenas to, and other matters of the committee, what does merrick garland going to do? are you surprised he hasn't acted yet? >> no, he's careful, but this is -- i'm sure there is political reality, the white house doesn't want to be seen investigating the prior president, quite frankly. and so, you know -- >> let me ask you a question about that, is it sort of not wanting to be seen doing it and maybe pulling a punch also making a political calculation? >> yes, it is. but if there is no investigation, you have no scrutiny. and what this needs is scrutiny. and the january 6th committee is, i think, just is a

that whole chapter, and we're learning more and more about those feverish few days when bannon and giuliani port in the storm. none of that should be covered by executive privilege. and the court, by the way, has a hearing tomorrow on all of this, and i expect will make quick work of that claim. >> real quickly, are you surprised the doj hasn't made a decision on whether to prosecute steve bannon for attempt of congress? >> i'm not. i wrote an op-ed explaining that it's a lot more complicated than people might think. there is a memo on the other side. there is a lot for garland to work through, and i think it's just not the easy call that everybody assumes. plus he's a really methodical guy. so i'm personally not surprised. not to say that he won't come in that direction inially relative near future. >> harry littman, it's good to have you here. i really appreciate your expertise. >> thank you, ana. >>> scottie pippen sounds off against michael jordan. that's next. i brought in ensure max protein, with thirty grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks! ( sighs w

in which rudy giuliani, steve bannon, johnniesman and others discuss options for overturning the resultsf the election among other things, pressuring the vice president not to certified the electoral college results, according to public opinions, you paid for rooms and suites in d.c. hotels that served as election-related command centers. you described this list -- the first list was sort the trump lieutenants. this list is the war room participants. >> this is the willard war room f. crimes were committed, they certainly go lieu the willard war room. >> and the money. >> and the money. so i think this is probable able primary to their investigation. but mike's right. they are not going to show up. they are going to vote for contempt. now we are almost to when santa claws comes down the chimney. then it goes to the department of justice. and by the way, where is d.o.j. on the bannon subpoena? where are they? >> what do you hear? where are they? >> i do not understand it is not like a long process. >> right. >> there is a decision to be made. make the decision and move, one way or the oth

he was working on it while giuliani was working as a personal lawyer on those efforts.producing records and answering questions. very importantly, trump himself said today he's fine with kerik cooperating. one plot twist to keep in mind is that trump and kerik signalled that kerik wants to testify publicly. that would be quite a show if that were to happen. i don't think the committee wants that to happen. the next big question the committee has to sort out is does kerik sit for an interview if there are not tv cameras covering the entire thing. but we do know he will be producing documents. >> kerik got a pardon from donald trump. the tv package might be a requirement. >>> nbc news is reporting the u.s. circuit court of appeals for the district of columbia notified lawyers for trump the house committee and the national archives they should be prepared to address whether the cart has the legal authority to even hear this dispute. the fact that the court is wondering about its authority to take up the case is telling. courts are protective of their jurisdictions. if trum

best expressed by giuliani is in the truth without truth and conway who said there were alternate facts can agree on the very basic facts, then we don't have the shared experiences. i think that's one of the most corrosive things which is a relentless attack on the truth and i'm sure you feel it keenly as a journalist because the press is been on the biggest targets for the former residence in his acolytes and it is not a chronic playbook which says than you need to discredit objective media. you need to persuade people that the only truth is what you tell them. we can't have another president like that and certainly not as speaker of the house. >> there is a divide in this country. this only deepened over the years. they read their own favorite channels neck favorite publications and there is a polarization and authority geographically an idea of a and ideologically. if you're trying to build a common truth in a common narrative, how do you commence a good portion of it is not believe, sure maybe not the same policy goals or well for example on the ones of the insurrection on january 6

rudy giuliani told the georgia legislature that they needed to overturn the election results.s all part of the same project. a recent report from the brookings institution by several high-profile legal experts concludes that trump's post-election conduct in georgia leaves him at substantial risk of possible state charges predicated on multiple crimes. these charges potentially include criminal solicitation to commit election fraud, intentional interference with performance election duties, conspiracy to committee lecz fraud, criminal solicitation, and state rico violations as in racketeering charges, something that fulton county prosecutor fani willis has previously suggested she's looking into.ch county prosecutor fani willis has previously suggested she's looking into.racketeering charg that fulton county prosecutor fani willis has previously suggested she's looking into. usy suggested she's looking into but again, there's a lot going on right now both in washington and in terms of policy and in terms of politics and in terms of covid, but do not sleep on what is going on wi

let's look at rudy giuliani. let's look at mike flynn. things that have never been said by an aide or close associates of the president of the united states. it's so stupifyng to think that we had a president of the united states that would entertain these fools and dangerous authoritarian figures. that's what we need to look at the big picture. donald trump looked for people to facilitate his authoritarian impulse, both as the president and as the unelected next president to use a coup to stay in office. that's what he did. that's what the instruments are these people, whether it's flynn, whether it's giuliani, whether it's ellis, whether it's all of these lawyers that he gathered around. he engaged in a conspiracy in which he said to these people find me a way to stay in office, i will do anything to stay in office. we now need to find all of these blueprints, we're starting to get them, it should be a surprise to no one that michael flynn is saying the kind of things that he is saying. but what's mostly significant here is that much of

as we wait for the january 6th committee to at some point surely subpoena rudy giuliani, you can watch extraordinary documentary about the infamous press conference rudy giuliani held last year in the parking lot of a family landscaping company in philadelphia. did that by mistake. that documentary is "the four seasons" total documentary. it airs tomorrow night at 10:00 p.m. right here on msnbc. and coming up, why do texas republicans want to get isabelle wilkerson's masterful book out of texas school libraries? texas representatives jasmine crockett and julie johnson will tell us next. us next [ sneeze ] are you ok? oh, it's just a cold. if you have high blood pressure, a cold is not just a cold. unlike other cold medicines, coricidin provides powerful cold relief without raising your blood pressure be there for life's best moments with coricidin. now in sugar free liquid. >> man: what's my safelite story? my truck...is my livelihood. so when my windshield cracked... the experts at safelite autoglass came right to me... with service i could trust. right, girl? >> singers: ♪ safelite r

this relentless assault by trump and his acolytes on the truth itself probably best expressed by giuliani but the truth wasn't truth and killian conway who said there were ultimate facts. if we can't agree on very basic facts, if we don't have the shame shared experience, it doesn't work. >> speaking of congress, booktv recently had the opportunity to sit down with the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell to get a look at his reading list. >> not surprisingly, i tend to tilt towards american history much of it political. but one book i finished was not about politics. it was about the history of the polio epidemic from beginning to end. it came out in 2006. actually it won a pulitzer prize and as a victim myself, i have always had a kind of special interest. there were some lessons with regards to vaccines and a lot of the things we have been preaching lately is get vaccinated and one of the big differences between the situation we find ourselves in now is that it took 70 years to come up with effective vaccines for polio. our marvelous country and pharmaceutical industry came up with t