yes, it was. >> goldwater's defensive extremism won him the election. >> the goldwater land slide november. >> he received just 5% of the black vote, down 32% for richard nixon just four years earlier. but goldwater had changed history for the republicans. he created what we now know as the right wing base. >> goldwater what he does in '64 is bringsing to the post world war ii, cold war republicans who were fervently opposed to republican regulations and brings those together with the southern democrats, the southern white supremacists who were against the idea of desegregation and he marries them in a new coalition that is going to take over the party. >> the fascists that barry goldwater inspired were explained perfectly by gary butler jr., the founder of modern conservative tix. he wrote, a conservative is someone who stands athwart history yelling stop. indeed the right would shout stop over and over again in the coming decades. those shouts echoed through the 1960s as america exploded. cities were racked by rioting over civil rights and police shootings. >> don't bow down anymore? hol

. >> i suppose one in 64 when nixon it with goldwater very strongly and so he traveled with dnixon for months during that autumn but the rest of the people would probably much more lean towards another who was or emerging as the leading with goldwater and considered rockefeller was sort of the big state, big governor, big spender who progressive wing of the party. >> the other interesting thing that i hadn't thought of was before he deflated, romney was - >> romney was the governor of michigan and more likelihood. and george, a person never and born in mexico. but he was someone in the warren product, is very passionate person, particularly and he was a scrapper. he was way beneath the opposition party, the trade unions and you jump into it, the democratic part to do something and so he had the strength of his convictions. and his pulleys were extraordinarily, higher than anybody else at the time especially because he had not appealed to the evangelicals. but the sense of humor so powerful, that he could appeal to the evangelicals. and the divorce of the woman - that finally sink rocke

nixon backed barry goldwater very strongly. he traveled with them for months but the rest of the rip on people leaned more towards nelson rockefeller who emerged as counterpoint to goldwater. big state digs governor big spender progressive wing of the party. >> the interesting thing that i hadn't thought of romney. >> he was the governor of michigan and his father -- george romney was a person who never finished college and he was born in mexico but he was someone who wore his heart on his sleeve. he was a very passionate person and he was a scrapper. wind he was running for governor he would wave at the opposition parties and jump into the trade union meeting or at the democratic board. his poll names or explosives. he appealed to the evangelicals. but he had a very strong appeal. for a while romney was riding high. there were extraordinary files of research but he always wanted the nomination. iraqis say he famously or infamously came back from vietnam from a trip to vietnam and observed -- but he changed his view because whe

>> there was barry goldwater to capture the republican party and before barry goldwater there was national review and the nomination in 1964 and the national review bullets part in the mind of the bill buckley. bill buckley won the cold war. >> it's a compressed version that ideas have consequences and bill make conservative ideas accessible and fun with the spirit and the cheerfulness in a political argument. when barry goldwater for whom i cast my first presidential vote in 1964 when he first got into politics i think he was running for the city council of unix in 1948. he said politics ate for life and it might be fun. pretty much turned out to be life for him. writing about it is fun. i am a compulsive writer and i can't stop. i write one other write one other columns a year and i'm alwaysm ng writing books but i happen to like politics. i've spoken with a lot of politicians. i dislike some of their attributes but we have to have politics and we have to have government and we have to have laws. the whole culture of democracy is a culture of persuasion and argument -- if you don't like

>> guest: because before ronald reagan that was barry goldwater who captured the republican water for conservatism. before gary wallner -- affords very goldwater there with the "national review" that made the nomination i can secure possible and before those "national review" the was a young deal graduate and bill buckley and, therefore, the buckley won the cold war. >> host: that's consequential. >> guest: that the compressed version, yes. butd ideas have consequences. bill make conservative ideas accessible. he brought in the spirit and cheerfulness to the business of political argument. .. went very goldwater might have my first vote in 1964, when he first went into politics i think hewas running for the council in 1948 . he wrote a letter to his >> and the politics and it could be fun because it turned out to be for lifety and certainly was fun it was fun to do something else. and personal writing has been fun and i love to write, i am a compulsive writer. i write 100 columns a year i'm always writing books. i happen to like politics like a lot of politics and i dislike some of th

before there was goldwater was national review that made the nomination in 1964 possible and before there was national review there was a young yale graduate. and therefore bill buckley won the cold war. >> that's consequential. >> that's the compressed version but i did that had consequences, building conservative ideas accessible and brought up a lab and a spirit of cheerfulness.to the business of political arguments. >> how important is the fun? >> went very goldwater might have my first vote in 1964, when he first went into politics i think hewas running for the council in 1948 . he wrote a letter to his brother that said it before life and it might be. >> it turned out to be pretty much for life but it certainly he brought me to do something else. >> first of all, writing about is fun. i love to write. i'm a compulsive writer. i can't stop. i write 100 columns a year and i'm always writing books. but i happen to like politics. i like a lot of politicians. i dislike some of them and dislikes some of their attributes but i admire the business. we have to have politics. we have to

>> nixon backed barry goldwater very strongly, so he went and traveled with nixon for months during that autumn. >> rockefeller was sort of a big state, big governor, big spender part of the party. >> an interesting thing i hadn't thought of. before he deflated romney was that -- >> romney was the governor of michigan, the father of mitt romney. george romney was a christian who never finished college. he'd been over in mexico, but he was someone who wore his heart on his sleeve. he was a very passionate, committed person particularly to civil rights. he would wade into opposition parties. he'd jump into a trade union meeting or jump into a democratic committee or something. so he had the strength of his convictions. and his poll ratings were extraordinary. it was interesting because he had an appeal to the evangelicals. but the sense of faith in him was so powerful that he had very strong appeal to evangelicals. rockefeller didn't. rockefeller had the albatross around his neck and he divorced. romney for a while was riding high, and rockefeller kept trying to help him giving him extraor

barry goldwater, for example, gives us some of the most colorful language that anyone has given us inticizing richard nixon. >> let me offer a bonus president, bill clinton during the era of impeachment, obviously he was despised by his enemies throughout his presidency but once he was impeached, i think the senate democrats in particular, i wouldn't say they we want so far as to say they hated clinton for what he did, but they certainly were disgusted by it. it's one of the those cases, not unlike our recent impeachments, that were the vote secret and were the vote, you know, less prescriptive by party, i think we would have gotten a much different vote in the end. this is our speed round, if you will. everybody has to answer this one but we don't have a lot of time. this is a question from david mond. i love this question. in the final analysis was it primary the person and his style of governing or the policies that the president espoused that led them to be so hated? we'll go in reverse chronological order, just to spin things up. so, nixon. >> really interesting question. in the

summer work rockefeller as the original what we now call opo research, opposition research on barry goldwater. this is from 1968 when i wound up being the head of delegate intelligence with nelson rockefeller's presidential campaign, where we built files on all 1,333 delegates to the convention and their alternates. trying to understand social associations were, interests were, interests in foreign policy, defense, healthcare. and so that was when i was working with --. as i say in the book. he had a glow. nelson is a --. a schmoozer, not particularly articulate. going back to romney, romney's real feelings about religion and such. nelson rockefeller would occasionally try to lumber through that sort of field. and he had what we call the bomb fog speech. the brotherhood of man, brotherhood of god speech. and it was not very successful. but he was at the same time a builder, he was a strong personnel, strong figure. and really -- he was sort of the case in point of a republican in that era who wanted to do things --. >> richard smith seems to be --. superb biography of nelson rockefeller sever

potential rivals the potential republican nominees for president in 1964 he talked about barry goldwater's name was being mentioned significantly. he talked about nelson rockefeller. he thought about rockefeller and he could not really understand what rockefeller was doing. about a year earlier rockefeller had left his wife tamir a yet much younger woman. i woman it was said in the press she stole from her husband. he had seemingly sacrificed everything for the woman he loved. because of the scandal that ensued because he was marrying the woman he loved. thinking about this and declared no man would ever love love more than politics. i think john tyler probably would have understood exactly the sediment john f. kennedy mentioned at that time. i appreciate your attention today. if you have not bought my book , this is the title of the book, this is the cover of the book. and before i go i just wanted to make sure i give you an indication of coming attractions. my wife and i have a book a biography of under contract with the university press of kansas and her manuscript is due is in october

barry goldwater gives us some of the most colorful language that anyone has given us and criticizingxon. >> let me offer if i may a bonus president bill clinton during the era of impeachment obviously he was justified by his enemies throughout his presidency. once he was impeached i think the senate democrats in particular wouldn't say they would go so far to say they hated clinton for what he did there recently disgusted by it. it's one of those cases not unlike our recent impeachments are the votes secret and were devote less scripted by party i think we would've gotten a much different vote in the end. this is our speed round if you will. everyone is got to answer. that question comes in from david long i love this question. in the final analysis, right person and his style of governing or the policies the president ex-spouse that led them to be so hated? we will go in reverse chronological order to spin things up. so nixon? >> really the same question. in the interest of the speed round i'm going to say mostly it is the person. but i think the policies have been underemphasized a

would really my think and then spine partners and some was building friedman, an advisor to the goldwater's campaign and 64, prominent and at the university of chicago, conservative and even income maintenance and he was. [inaudible]. and so there is a lot of, a bipartisan deal predict. >> and then and 60 campaign, mccartney campaigned on it but then when the time came, the time came to vote, mccarthy and unsupported pretty. >> it was richard nixon predict summa like today and the republicans, you just don't want to give credit to the other side. on the liberal side pretty. >> he would refer to his monuments and that is how seriously he took this and disappointedus he was pretty. >> this would would be the thing to remember us buying remember the one hand that he said that i had key members of the cabinet with me. and t i said i had my doubts and he said - and his own congressional relations on the congress. >> that was helpful pretty >> to very quick thanks because i to be very quick. what is a christian working man's anti-communist national defense act of 1969 printed. >> does not leave y

. >> politicians debate how much this may amplify goldwater's cry of moral decay, what weight votersl shocked that your father -- >> oh, totally. >> -- was arrested for homosexual sex? >> oh, yeah. i never had an inkling of thought that my dad might be homosexual? >> i don't think i disbelieved it as much as was just stunned by it. i thought, he had six -- remember, i'm pretty naive. i thought, well, he has six kids. >> once the story broke, there was no question jenkins would have to resign. the blowback was so severe, he had to be hospitalized. when he was in the hospital, he was there for, what, extreme fatigue? >> nervous breakdown. >> nervous breakdown, okay. >> is what they said. and i think that it was probably horribly hard for him. >> after his arrest and resignation, jenkins moved the family back to texas, where he found work as a management consultant. so you never talked about sexuality? >> we never talked about it at all. >> it made him very, very uncomfortable. >> how did all of this affect your mom? >> her alcoholism deteriorated rapidly after they moved back here. of

for the presidency, the potential republican nominees for president in 1964, he talked about barry goldwater, whose name was being mentioned significantly. he talked about nelson rockefeller. and he thought about rockefeller. and hee thought -- he couldn't really understand what rockefeller was doing. about a year earlier rockefeller had leftt his wife to marry a mucher younger woman, a woman w it was saidou in the press thate stole from her husband. there were young children involved. but rockefeller had seemingly sacrificed everything to be with the woman he loved. really, he probably gave up any chance of winning any nomination because a scandal ensued because he wasas marrying the woman he loved.. he declared that no man would ever love love more than politics. i think john tyler probably would've understood exactly the sentiment that john f. kennedy mentioned at that time. i appreciate your attention today. if you have not bought my book, i want this slide b burned into your memory. this is the title of the book. this is the cover of the book. and before i go, i just wanted to make sure

>> i talk to a lot of republicans every day, talk to me who were goldwater, reagan republicans and ipeople are mad about that and i get a few people that bless me out, but many others understand that i did my job, i followed the law, followed the constitution and they believe that's the honorable thing to do. >> brad raffensperger, it's an interesting book. folks will take a look. we'll be watching you on the campaign trail. appreciate you coming on and sharing your perspective with us, sir. >> thank you. integrity counts. >>> when we come back, democrats are hoping to pass both the infrastructure and social spending bills on tuesday. it's likely to be too late ♪ music ♪ ♪ dream, dream when you're feeling blue ♪ ♪ dream, dream that's the thing to do ♪ ♪ music ♪ when you see value in all directions, you add value in all directions. accenture. let there be change. in 2016, i was working at the amazon warehouse when my brother passed away. and a couple of years later, my mother passed away. after taking care of them, i knew that i really wanted to become a nurse. amazon helped me with t

the aisle serving in the modern war in iraq in afghanistan -- general jones is correct, we need to goldwaterl -- we fix the operational chain of command -- but i think if we could get the committees to agree with the problem and the pressing nature, and get the pentagon, the problem you have is that the pentagon is not very cooperative on some of these things because these are a lot of light bulbs and jobs that are tied into them in the pentagon. you've got to get the pentagon we, like we talked in the green room, to be willing to take this on. the pentagon, if they basically signal to the congress, which i think is already decline in the direction of the bipartisan defense committees. they want to get more bang for their buck. we you have got to work those things in a more cooperative ray. we have three or four years to pass over the -- week that was because you had some really really strong leaders. and you had nickels and -- you've got to have the cooperation of the pentagon on these, they are exceedingly complex. you can do more business with the department of defense than a poor for pro

i talk to people who are goldwater republicans, reagan republicans, bush republicans like myself. i voted for the president twice. i contributed to some campaigns. some people are mad about that and i get a few people that bless me out, but many others understand that i did my job, i followed the law, followed the constitution and they believe that's the honorable thing to do. >> brad raffensperger, it's an interesting book. folks will take a look. we'll be watching you on the campaign trail. appreciate you coming on and sharing your perspective with us, sir. >> thank you. integrity counts. >>> when we come back, democrats are hoping to pass both the infrastructure and social spending bills on tuesday. it's likely to be too late for tuesday's elections. could it help lift the president's sagging approval ratings? the panel is next. ing bills on . it's likely to be too late [♪♪] did you know, you no longer need to visit a dermatologist to get access to top skincare ingredients? introducing dermageek featuring top dermatologist recommended ingredients and 0% fillers. dermageek's new

barry goldwater had his own and had something like 67 democratic senators.>. >> hey jon meacham. it started at an age where the americans lost age at our institution. and of course four years of president. trump. what do you think about those connections and is there anything at all that you see on the rising that can reverse that trend and restore how americans feel like their institutions st their nation? >> the other thing we should mention about the fall of 1963 is within the black community in america, the bombing of the baptist church in birmingham. that september was such an immense event. the murder of those four young girls. it was in many ways a kind of inflection point for the r movement, the face of jesus was blown out of the stained glass windows there. as over the american stories are complicated and complex. yes, there is no doubt that president kennedy's murder helped create a climate of climate of -- president kennedy had said that american university that when he was douglas was talking about the treaty, he talked about the capacity of man