speaking about what happened, his own experience, overs rash and matt albenzi, this is what he carried with him when he left the driveway that day. reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion. this is where the duty and responsibility in following the law becomes intertwined in heartache and tragedy. because you do have the right to perform a citizen's arrest. you do have the right to have a firearm when you make an arrest. you do have the right to stop a person and to hold them and to detain them for police, and there is risk with that, and there are tragic consequences that can come from that. >> reporter: ana, as can you imagine, this has been tough for both families when it comes to everything that has been happening inside the court. we do know at one point that ahmaud arbery's mother walked out of court as they were talking and showing pictures so when you put all of this together you understand the pressure on this community, especially as these closing arguments continue. ana? >> ryan young, thank you. with us now is cnn senior legal analyst ely hopig, former prosecutor and ar

. >> you said you wanted to know what happened and you saw matt albenzi out in the street when you cameh the shot gunfrom your house. >> right. >> you didn't ask mr. albenzi what was going on? >> i did not. >> at one point you thought somebody had been hurt, something broken into. larry english was down there. >> that's correct. >> you didn't head down that way to see what happened. did you? >> i did not, mr. albenzi was pointing down the road. he need to go that way, something happened and tried to ask him to see what was happening. what happened. >> something had happened? >> something has happened. >> all right, so at this point right here, where he's running, you're still yelling at him stop, i want to talk to you, stop. >> no, ma'am. once i watched him run and pull alongside again is when i engaged with him again. >> going all the way down burrford? >> no, ma'am, another 100 feet, maybe 200 feet. there's a wooded area

he and his father talking to officer rash, diego perez, matt albenzi, and brandon gregory, the officer who also works with glynn county police. they talk that night and talk about what is going on and travis gets to see the rest of the video and he said that dpi is this guy. same guy. been a lot of break-ins and burglaries going on. he knows stuff has been stolen already. and they have a conversation. you heard part of that conversation from the transcript. rash says, well we haven't actually seen him take it. because there was no camera on it. but i guarantee you if one of you left your bag in this room and we all went into the hallway and then i walked in here and you saw me walk in here and you never saw me leave and when you come back in you walk in and you go, where's my bag? nobody else came in here but jason did. and the bag is gone. oh, look, there is a back door. is it reasonable to believe that i may have taken your bag? of course it is. this is a burglary. he says i haven't seen him take anything, yeah, criminal trespassing. yeah, at the very least. he's thinking about ahmau