maginnis and mr. balch go someplace? >> yes. >> describe that. >> i get done with my interview with mr. maginnis, and i ask him -- i asked -- no. i don't ask him. i said, if you want to come with us, that's fine, to document and film me and ryan helping people. he said yeah, sure. he followed behind us. >> and in that tape from mr. maginnis, there's talk about you being an emt, correct? >> yes. >> are you an emt? >> i am not. >> you have first aid and other training? >> i do. >> and you go to -- south on sheridan road? >> correct. >> you cross 60th and sheridan road? >> i believe we stayed just to the right going south on sheridan road. >> and eventually you crossed sheridan road? >> eventually. >> and were the bearcats there yet? >> no -- yes, they were. >> had they set up a line to stop people that you were aware of? >> not that i was aware of. i know they were parked right there and people were throwing rocks at them. >> did anybody tell you not to cross that line, you wouldn't be able to go back? >> not until later in

mr. mcginniss to follow you and ryan balch, right? >> yes. >> and you invited him ento do that because you wanted him to film you while you were out in the crowd doing your thing. fair? >> yeah, i said it was okay for him to film me. let's play exhibit 17, please. >> see like a pack. >> i was trying to protect. >> mcginniss just asked you, so you're a certified emt, and you said yes correct? >> yes. >> that was a lie, correct? >> i'm not an emt. >> you're not a certified emt, you're not an emt of any kind, you weren't on that night, correct? >> yes. >> so you lied to him, correct? >> i told him i was an emt, but i wasn't. >> and you knew you were being interviewed by someone in the media when you told that lie, didn't you? >> yes. >> please continue. >> and do you work as an emt normally? >>. [ inaudible ] >> they went in that vehicle down the roadway. >> can we back up 10 seconds, please: and then just pause right there. we just heard a voice say something to you and mr. balch about people throwing rocks, something along those lines.

that's mr. balch. i talked about him going on. mrs. amber rasmussen. she was the dna expert. what i say to you is dna is an incredibly useful tool. but dna is only as useful as what you put in to it. and if dna shows anything, it shows that it's not proof positive in this case. we know in hearing from dr. kelly that he most probably touched the gun. was a contact wound as the way he described it. we know through the videos huber touched the gun with his bare hand and yet no dna was found on the gun. so don't let your eyes deceive you. don't let the physical evidence be discounted because of what he said. the end of the barrel was not swabbed. we know he had to be at the end of the barrel or would have had the soot on all of the fingers. jason was an interesting witness. he was the marine who put the phrase "shout, shove, show, shoot." i asked him about that. i don't for a minute disbelieve that's the marine's rule. is there any retreat in there? he said no. he looked at me like i was stupid. the reason he looked like that because they don't retreat. yet kyle rittenhouse did r

was anyone else there besides you, mr. balch, and mr. rosenbaum? >> i believe there were other demonstrators around. >> and you've seen in this trial that there's been a lot of video footage of that night, correct? >> yes. >> and you've seen in this trial that there's a lot of video footage of you that night, correct? >> yes. >> you would agree with me there's no video of either one of these threats, correct? >> i don't know if somebody filmed it. that i'm aware of right now. >> you're not aware of any, are you? >> i'm not. >> so mr. rosenbaum looked like that at the time of the first threat. but then looked different at the time of the second threat, is that right? >> yes. >> and did you say he was carrying the chain when he made the first threat or the second one? >> the second. >> and he was still carrying that plastic bag the second time? >> yes. >> that plastic bag has a clear side to it that allows you to see inside of it, right? >> sort of. i didn't really look into the bag. >> you didn't know what was in the bag at all? >> i didn't. >> did

looks for mr. balch. they might have been close to one another, but they did not find one another. he tries to go back. wants to get back to car source 2. after that, he goes back and waits. he gets the phone call. he testified about the phone call. either from nick or dominick. and what does he do? he gets a fire extinguisher. hasn't had a fire extinguisher all night but gets one. the call came through. he testified the call came through. you know if it wasn't in his phone, the state would have brought it up, but now they're playing games once again. this is drew hernandez's video. it starts in color and goes -- excuse me, starts in black and white and goes to color. you have jump kit man, ziminskis. you'll hear kelly ziminski talking. and during the first part of the trial we saw this trailer go by, and it cut off the view from this location. i'll stop it a few times and -- did you hear that? talking about a pepper ball exploding in her ass. that's kelly ziminski speaking. >> [ inaudible ]. >> it's blurry. keep your eye here and here. that's kyle right there to the right of the g

. >> reporter: words never became action as ryan balch who was with rittenhouse that night. did you see mr. rosenbaum injured anyone that night? >> you had your pistol, did he ever touch that? >> no. >> did he ever touched uhyou? >> no. >> reporter: joining me now is omar jimenez. a jury was dismissed. after he made a joke of the shooting. it's unbelievable. what else are you learning here? >> yes, don, after attempting to make a joke earlier this week to a deputy about jacob blake that began with why did it take seven shots to shoot jacob blake and according to prosecutors ended with because they ran out of bullets. he was called into the courtroom and questioned by a judge. both sides and defense prosecution agreed the jurors should be dismissed. the public needs to be confidence that this is a fair trial. this leaves us with 19 jurors in total, 11 women and now 8 men and we are expecting for prosecutors to continue to call witnesses as we expect them to do through early next week. >> thank you very much. great reporting. i want to turn out to the trial of three white men accused of kill

balch also telling him this. >> did you ever actually see mr. rosenbaum physically injure anyone that night?>> reporter: a juror was dismissed for telling a joke to a deputy by jacob blake, who was shot by police seven times last august. that fueling the protests in kenosha, wisconsin, where rittenhouse shot the three men. he has pleaded not guilty on all counts. >> it is clear that the appearance of bias is present. and it would seriously undermine the outcome of the case. so that in itself would be sufficient cause for discharge. >> our thanks to shimon for that report. joining us now someone who has been in the courthouse covering this story from day one, chicago bureau chief julie bozeman. you grew up in kenosha, so this is close to your heart. this isn't a whodunit case. people know who pulled the trigger here. the question is, why and was it justified? you have seen it play out from the prosecution and the defense so far. >> reporter: that's right. we've heard that over and over in pretrial hearings and in the trial this week, the lawyers have said this is not a whodunit, we are not ar

. >> reporter: but words never became actions, as ryan balch, who was with rittenhouse that night, laid out. >> did you see mrhat night? >> no. >> did he ever reach for your weapon? >> no. >> did he ever touch that? >> no. >> did he ever touch you? >> no. >> omar hjimenez is with us now. the first witness mentioned in your piece, at one point he testified that rosenbaum was advancing towards kyle rittenhouse while rittenhouse himself was standing still. do you have a sense of why the prosecution called on this witness and how this narrative fits into their case? >> reporter: yeah, anderson. when you go back to opening statements from the prosecutor, one of the questions he said is going to be central here is, was this level of force necessary to prevent imminent death of greater bodily harm? as part of that examination, he got mcguiness to say that rosenbaum was not armed and that there was no way to know what his mind-set was at the time. and the exchange with the later witness, ryan balch, when it said that there was basically hundreds of people out on the street that night and that everyone was going throu