now to react, oklahoma congressman mark way mullen and a member of the cherokee nation, and walter russell meadsor at bard college. p wrote a book about the number of different attributes that we ought to have an american political leadership, tell me a little bit about what your reaction is to this idea that colonization is something that we actually have to actively worry about when we are eating our turkey and stuffing. >> it doesn't strike me -- first of all the turkey at my sister-in-law's house where i was having dinner is not dry, it's actually quite delicious, let's get that straight. i actually think here in philadelphia, i believe benjamin franklin and the quakers -- william penn bought the land so i let that one go over my head a little bit. there is a time and a place for everything, i think it's actually okay to take one day out of the year and be thankful to god for the blessings, all of the blessings of your life. there are other days to think about other problems. >> ben: congressman, i wonder if you have your own reaction to this. it seems to me to be over the top and not somet