s. swimming federation insisted leah thomas, the athlete in question, has every right to be taking part. a leading magazine for the sport though disagrees saying it's as if she'd been allowed to dub the n c w one. your suppressant requirement is not nearly stringent enough to create a level playing field between thomas and the biological females against whom she is racing. for nearly 20 years, she built muscle and benefited from the testosterone naturally produced by her body . that strength does not disappear overnight, nor with a year's worth of suppressants. and this strength is beneficial to her stroke on turns and to her endurance doping as the same effect. leah thomas, who competed in the men's team for 3 years before transitioning in 2019, broke several college records his season and re ignited the debate sober, where the transgender athletes have an unfair advantage. parents have written to the body governing college sports to express their concern. at stake here is the integrity of women, sports, the precedent being set, one in which women do not have a protective and equitable

this is to protest leah thomas, who was crushing records at university of pennsylvania, thomas her 1st 3 years at the university of pennsylvania competing as well. thomas on the men's team, the college senior who came out as transgender and now identified as a woman, started competing on the women team this year. the controversy started when thomas set 3 records in one weekend, one time placing a whopping 38 seconds faster than her 2nd place. competitor milon decided to protest writing in her resignation letter that she can quote, no longer participate in a sport that allows biological men to compete against women. the fact is that women that would mean rather as a or in which bodies compete against body identities do not compete against identities. the thomas actually spoke up about the fairness of the in c double a's rules for trans genders on the when, when podcast. and i think the guidelines they set forward are very good and do a very good job of promoting inclusivity while keeping competition or integrity going. i want to bring in doctor frank turk and american christian author a

so it's not saying that they cannot participate. leah thomas has come out and has said, how fulfilling it is to swim, but isn't just bad, but she's winning. dr. turk, when we never see biological women competing as trans genders in men. sports. yeah, that's actually right. and i think what people don't seem to understand, natasha is that transgender ism presupposes fixed genders. for example, if i'm a biological mail and i think psychologically i'm a woman, i have to have some idea of what a man is and some idea of what a woman is in order to know the difference. and in order to make the so called transition, if there were 6 genders transgender risen, would mean nothing. and by the way, the people in the l g b, t, community have a little bit of an internal strife going on. because if the cheese the transgender is get their way, then the l, the g and the b don't exist. because if there are no genders, there's no such thing as being a lesbian, there is no such thing as being bisexual or gay or homosexual. in fact, there is no such thing as being a man or a woman. this is why feminists wh

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swimming official but she just resigned in protest over transgender swimmer leah thomas of the universityological male that's been allowed to compete against females. thomas is now dominating swimming events and setting records. in a razor legation letter, she said that "she can't support this" and that everything about swimming is being destroyed. she joins me now. cynthia, thank you for joining me and thank you for your bravery. i'm curious, what kind of response have you gotten since he resigned from your position? >> sean, thank you very much. i've gotten a lot of kind comments from fellow officials, former officials, and from parents of swimmers and swimmers. the fact is that swimming is a sport in which bodies compete against bodies. identities do not compete against identities. from the very beginning, swimmers are divided by sex and age group. eight and under, 9, 10, all the way up because from the very beginning swimming, usa swimming recognizes that boys swim differently from girls. this is just accentuated when boys and girls go through puberty. boys will always have larger lun

. >>> a remarkable college swimmer named leah thomas making national headlines, and it's not just becausetably, by a 38-second margin. but anger stems from the fact that she's a transgender athlete, these headlines speak for themselves. the editorial board of the new york post claims, quote, dominating in women's sports as a trans lath lete is fundamentally selfish. the same sentiment is echoed in numerous bills and legislative efforts across 31 different states attempting to restrict trans youth from participating in sports. i want to bring in veronica ivy, two times masters track cycling world champion. thank you for being here. you're both an athlete and you teach sports and trans ethics. can we be fair and inclusionary at the same time? >> oh, yeah. i think that the idea that fairness and inclusion are somehow in tension with each other is a fundamental disunderstanding. fairness demands inclusion. we have to start from a place of inclusion, and when i think about these sorts of headlines about, like, dominating. those sorts of headlines have been used against me, for example. even th

listen to this. 22-year-old trans gender woman leah thomas previously will thomas is a swimmer at the university of pennsylvania and already shattered numerous college records including three earlier this month at a competition in ohio. but it's no surprise. before transitioning, thomas was will thomas a male swimmer at the school for three years. now he is competing against females and thomas is, of course crushing the competition. university of pennsylvania parents are outraged by this. they have written a letter to the ncaa demanding the rules be changed. its current policy allows transgender students to compete without transgender surgery as long as they identify as that particular gender so nothing is being done about it and biological male also continue dominating women's sports. madison kenyon is a college track athlete who also competed against biological males. she joins me now to share her story along with her attorney kristin wagner. thank you both for being with us. i should say while leah thomas hasn't had gender surgery he did have a year's worth of hormonal treatment wh

they know it's wrong but if the guy wants to win, he will put on -- bring on leah thomas and watch alls in a larger context. these girls don't even feel -- they are talking to outkick but they said please can we be anonymous because we are going to an ivy league school. we might get kicked off the team and might have issues on campus. we want to go to grad school. we may want to get jobs and we don't want the top google results to be us getting ripped for being transphobic. what they are saying is clear. we don't bejudge anybody's choice to be whatever gender they want to be but this goes and strikes at the very heart of women's athletics and they also said where are all these feminists committed to title ix. suddenly you have a biological man parachuting in threatening to set all-time records. it is just wrong. and applauds to them for speaking out. >> dana: where in the world are they? >> bill: ncaa policy has a rule right now one year testosterone suppression. now they are saying maybe it has to be two because the quote from the doctor is that one year trans women still have the adv

strength is beneficial to her stroke on turns and to her endurance doping has the same effect. leah thomas, who competed in the men still 3 years before transitioning in 2019 broke several college records this season. this recognizes the debate about whether transgender have an unfair advantage, parents sub written to the body governing college sport to express that concern. at stake here is the integrity of women, sports, the precedent being set, one in which women do not have a protective and equitable space to compete as a direct threat to female athletes in every sport. what all the boundaries, how is this in line with the n c, a commitment to providing a fair environment for student athletes? while the transgender swimmer, herself, were both vancouver, jason sang, she submitted all the necessary medical papers. these were approved letting her join the female to she's currently taking a course of hormonal drugs at an idaho state representative that we spoke to says trans gender inclusive competitions are fall from for their side. keeps saying, well, it's about the humanity, the communi

should. transgender athletes is back in the news in the us writing about the success of 22 year old leah thomas, a top college swimmer from pennsylvania. the sports leading us magazine claim. she has an unfair advantage over biologically female competitors, claiming it's similar to doping. the in c, w one, your suppressant requirement is not nearly stringent enough to create a level playing field between thomas and the biological females against whom she is racing. for nearly 20 years, she built muscle and benefited from the testosterone naturally produced by her body . that strength does not disappear over nights, nor with a year's worth of suppressant, and this strength is beneficial to her stroke on turns and to her endurance doping as the same effect. aaliyah altino daniel hawkins dug deeper with kevin. i didn't see why the editor of leading sports magazine would want to raise the issue now, then that its oral piece drawn loan. we but his questions not so much about the rights of transgender athletes to compete in sports. i don't think that's up for the bait is mostly with fairness and boun

raymond: for weeks but so has covered the tension in women's swimming, the sport is dominated by leah thomasversity of pennsylvania. thomas is a biological male who has been breaking record after record. thomas's advantage is so obvious the editor in chief of the top swimming magazine compared to dopeing. parents, swimmers, fans, even teammates are enraged and so is my next guest. joining you cynthia moment, former national usa swimming official. i say former because you just left the sport days ago. why did you quit? >> bodies swim against bodies, gender identities don't swim. leah is a man swimming against women. there is no problem with we go to swim but we are should swim against leah and not against women. men swim 8 to 12% faster than women, men have larger lung capacity, skeletons, circulatory systems, hard and nothing leah did by taking a year off to take the testosterone suppression drug, that does not change leah's body so every time leah jumps into the pool it is a man competing against women. this is grossly unfair. 's records are now approaching that of missy franklin, he is goi

it cause a lot of strong emotions on the question really isn't about leah thomas is not even about, as we said, the right of transgender athletes to be competing. it's more to do with the water rules and regulations imposed by sports association, sports competitions. and do they will provide a fair and a level playing field for all participants and use competitions on this case. simply, it's almost really could set a precedent for such future discussions in swimming. but across other sports disciplines, there's something that's athletes across the world. a coaches, sports teams will very much be keeping close on go downhill, can thank you. will find one thought tonight, some time of the year coast had taken stock and planning ahead and for the russian defense for that's true. same thing that means abstain ahead of the technology game this year. so we're going to leave you this without sees you shop of oliver looks at the military's latest drone system. ah, with we're showing this british for the 1st time odyssey film, the moment a guided missile launched by rushes around, unmanned aeri

. ♪♪ 's ♪ ♪ laura: leah thomas of the university of pennsylvania dominate women -- record after records competed for two seasons as a man most recently in 2019 before the transition. the ncaa says it is totally fair for thomas to compete against women, underwent hormone suppression for a year. the founder state women's sports, this is total insanity. why not have a separate transgender category of swimming and that would be more fair but how does this make sense? >> it is absolutely absurd if you ask me. another category would be the right answer but the right answer for sure is males do not belong in women's sports. it is not right for privacy, safety or fairness and i to thank you for having me on tonight and continuing to shine a light on this issue. if not for me watching you i would not have the courage to start speaking out because it is a toxic environment and grateful you are highlighting women's voices here. laura: a lot of female athletes are afraid to speak out. >> so true. >> i was an athlete in a school and i really respect what goes into competing at that level. it's real

he goes by the name of leah thomas. he competed three years as a man before he identified as a women. he just won a 500-yard freestyle by a full 14 seconds. if you swim or ever been to a swim meet, 14 seconds? that's time enough to get a beer and come back. there's no 14 second differences between swimmers. there are now. thomas' closest rival was 38 seconds behind. that's a different country. so one person that did predict this at great personal cost, really hated for saying i but she's right is tara danski, the president of the women's human rights campaign and long-time card carrier of the american left. thanks nor coming in. you must feel a little vindicated. when we had these conversations years ago, you predicted things like this and people attacked you for being crazy. >> thank you for having me. and yes, i mean, a lot of us saw this coming down the pike. a woman named beth steltzer will be speaking with your colleague, laura ingraham later tonight. many of this saw this coming. it's important that we understand

carley: parents of swimmers competing against transgender leah thomas since as the naacp bar her froms. several parent sensing a letter labeling thomas's participation in girls swimming is a, quote, direct threat to female athletes in every sport, they call our allowing her to compete with women but competing on the men's team for years as recently as 2019. the university defend the pool saying we support swimming student-athlete and wants to help the community navigate with success in the pool this winter. the ncaa has not responded. the justice department suspending settlement negotiations with family separated at the border. the doj informing the families they will have to go back to court and the news comes after the white house face political pressure over potential payments up to 450,$000 to the families. a spokesperson for the justice department says, quote, the parties have been unable to reach a global settlement agreement, at this time we remain committed to engaging with the plaintiffs and to bring justice to the victims of this according to policy. todd: folks in kentucky

university of pennsylvania says there's a swimmer leah thomas is transgender and breaking more recordshat i mean. she competed as a man up until this season. she is undergoing hormone therapy that floors or muscle mass which happens to me every time i watch a hallmark movie, am i right? that's little consolation to her biologically female competitors were getting crushed as she smashes records. this is a sport or shaving your arms creates an edge. on a recent swimming podcast -- what's on the new swimming podcast? whatever. >> the team has been unbelievably supportive since the beginning. teammates and coaches, i feel very supportive. treated like any other member of the women's team. >> greg: not all her teammates feel the same. i can't even say anything. and out kick exclusive said pretty much everyone individually has spoken to our coaches about not liking this -- that's my favorite parts. our coach just really likes winning. i think secretly everyone just knows it's the wrong thing to do. adding when the whole team is together, we have to be like go, leah, that's great, it's amazin

parents, teammates and lawmakers leah thomas should compete on companyed teams.nfair physical advantage. leah answers that criticism this way. >> i'm very proud of my time and my ability to keep swimming and continue competing. >> he played on the men's team in 2018 but came out as a woman in 2019 and allowed to join the women's team after following ncaa protocol of testosterone suppression therapy. this year she broke three records devastating the female competition. out of fear of being bullied teammates are afraid to speak out publicly but in a letter to officials obtained by the daily mail parents of 10 swimmers say at stake is the integrity of women's sports. the precedent being set where women don't have an protected space to compete is a threat to female athletes in every sport. what are the boundaries and how is it in line to provide a fair environment for student algt leets? response the university said it welcomes all athletes and has mental health counseling for any female teammate who needs it. lawmakers in pennsylvania introduced a bill require trand

carley: the thing is, leah thomas is not breaking ncaa rules, because under the rules transgender athletese with their chosen gender after taking a year of hormone therapy. what should the rules be, in your opinion? >> i think that for this biological females should be competing against biological females because that creates a fair playing field for women. carley: do you agree? >> absolutely. no amount of suppress ants will overcome the advantages that are natural. we need think about where this destructive ideology leads. women are referred to as birthing people or chest feeders. parents are shunned for teaching their kids that there are two sections and they matter and they're equal and complementary and we're seeing women who are being denied private spaces in locker rooms and dorm rooms and women's shelters, prisons and other places. i'm proud of matt hey for standing up -- mattie for standing up, for what's going on in the swimming pool and track competition but we all need to stand up on behalf of our women and our girls throughout the nation. carley: madison, final thought to you.

. >> julie: teammates were reportedly considering a boycott against trans swimmer leah thomas but eventuallyid woke culture influence their decision? plus aaron rodgers slamming the nfl vaccination policy. is he right in saying the league has created a two-class system? clay travis is on deck with reaction to both of those stories next. ♪♪♪ >> julie: public schools issuing new covid guidelines in d.c. students and staff must show negative test results before returning to school after the winter break next week. here is mural bowser with more on the plan. >> we made the decision to delay by two days the return to school so that the pickup and testing can occur. we're asking our parents to go to a website to upload the result tuesday by 4:00 p.m. >> julie: new covid rules are also in place at one of the nation's most prestigious universities. princeton. now imposing restrictions on traveling off campus as covid cases rise. the ivy league school says students cannot leave mercer county in new jersey where princeton is located once classes resume next month. >> benjamin: the suspect in the plot

. >> julie: usa swimming official who resigned in protest over u penn swimmer leah thomas saying she women's swimming. >> the fact is that swimming is a sport in which bodies compete against bodies. identities do not compete against eye dent tease. mean are different from women. women swimmers are different from women and they will always be faster than women. >> julie: should thomas be allowed to compete is the question? jason rantz, radio host in seattle. you heard from cynthia mullen there, the u.s. swimming official who resigned over this whole controversy. let's pick up on her words. swimming is a sport in which bodies compete against bodies. men will always be faster than women. do you think thomas should be allowed to compete? >> ultimately no. i think that we should be making sure that when we have women's sports and men's sports unless we are going to make them co-ed you should be biological with the gender that you are competing. i think it is correct to say that your identity, while it is an important part of an individual's personality and who they are, it doesn't necessa

her name is leah thomas.ersity of pennsylvania after competing as a man for the last three seasons. a trans female can compete in women's events if they have completed a year of testosterone suppression treatments. good morning to you, clay. i guess i want to hear from the other swimmers on the team, the women on the team who they went in to win or compete well and they got wiped out of the pool. not only is she setting records at pennsylvania, but she is now beating almost every record nationwide when it comes to women's swimming. your take on this is what now? >> well, this is the biggest challenge associated with people changing their gender and competing, particularly as men who are deciding to then compete as women. we saw it happen in the olympics and this is where women's athletics to me is under direct assault because men are bigger, stronger, and faster than women biologically. not some crazy proposition. if you didn't have a separated men's and women's sports, women would not win anything really in

her name is leah thomas and she is running away with some of these races, clay. 500 yard freestyle was yard freestyle. what do you think about this and the level of fairness for the other women who were in the sport? >> absolutely unfair. absolutely unfair and frankly, i suspect that many of these women and many of the coaches of these women are terrified to say anything for fear that they will end up targets of the woke mob on social media. if you remember, bill, this is an interesting analogy i thought. there was a transgender weight lifter at the olympics recently and when all of the female competitors were asked about that situation, they all declined comment because i believe they were so terrified of saying what they really thought for fear of being targeted. and i suspect that's what's going on here as well. this swimmer for penn, this transgender swimmer, set a new record by almost 15 seconds in the 500. that is shattering the all-time record and beating by everybody else by 15 seconds, i should say in that particular race. this is not fair competition. there are some women who

leah thomas, she was born male, she sparked controversy when she broke a whole raft of records in swimmings was the challenge to make transgender athletes feel included in their sports and be challenged in their sport. stuart: tia broke the record by 30 seconds, demolished -- >> athlete after athletes stepped up and said not fair. caitlin jenner one of the most prominent athletes to come out as transgender is against to these transgender athletes and women sports. to finish my earlier sentence, i spent a lot of time thinking about this was iran track and field for lsu at a high level. you want to include those transgender athletes, a lot of us can't understand but at the same time you have to have fairness in the sport and caitlin jenner, she weighed in and said it is not fair from her perspective. stuart: all you can say about it. it is not fair. who knows what the solution is? but it is not fair. >> i can go into some pretty heavy detail on this and how they study prosthetic limbs in the olympics and that is an example of how to handle transgenders in the olympics. the wall street journa

there is a transgender swimmer at the university of pennsylvania, her name is leah thomas, she competede years prior to coming out as transgender in 2019. and she is getting a lot of attention because she is absolutely dominating the sport. and now there is a u.s.a. swimming official, her name is cynthia millen, and she just quit over this whole thing. she spoke to raimondo arroyo last night about this. take a listen to what she had to say. >> swim 8 to 12% faster. skelton, circulatory system and nothing lia did to take a year off to take testosterone suppression drugs. that does not change lia's body. every time lia jumps in the pool this is a man competing against women. this is grossly unfair to all the women who worked so hard. women biologically will never be faster than men. now, katie ledecky is faster than a lot of guys, but there are guys who will beat her. it's just biology, again, bodies swim against bodies. brian: this is fascinating. since when don't women's sports matter, women's rights matters when it's transgender. everyone is scratching their heads. logic tells you unfa

lawrence: back with quick headlines, transgender swim swim mer leah thomas fear they will be called trans a man in 2019 and smashed records on the women's team. >> and get this , a 15-year-old graduates with a bachelor's degree from the university of nevada. jack rico and his mom joined us earlier to talk about his accomplishments, watch. >> it feels really amazing, the faculty and my classmates during the first couple years and pretty much through all of college were really nice to me. they were really welcoming and they didn't treat me as a kid but they treated me as one of their own. lawrence: smart kid. jack says his next goal is to get a master's degree but he's taking sometime to figure out what he wants to study. i think he's earned that time. >> his college classes at age 11. what an incredible kid there. all right, speaking of incredible, hollywood actor rob schneider has nothing but high praise for arizona police, who came to the rescue when a car broke down, and apparently, they feel the same way. >> like wait a second. that's mr. schneider. like the rob schneider, so and i'm l

. >> leah thomas born male and now she competes against female athletes.o the female team after completing a year of hormone treatments which is how the ncaa regulations read right now. so these parents are outraged and they want to hear from the ncaa and the daily mail spoke to a number of them. part ever their letter reads like this at stake here is the integrity of women's sports. the precedent being set, one in which women do not have a protected and equitable space to compete is a direct threat to female athletes. in every sport. what are the boundaries? how is this in line with ncaa's commitment to providing a fair environment for student athletes? u penn sent apparently, according to the daily mail, a terse response to the letter the school is doing what it can to help school athletes navigate leah's success and shared a link to mental health services. ainsley: parents said we are paying $80,000 for our kids to go to school there. brian: university of pennsylvania nonathletes don't know what it's like to compete and be successful and find out the ga

brian: just leah thomas is the swimmer at the university of pennsylvania switched sexes and now a womanm a female swim swimmer speaking out against thomas. it's hard working your whole life at a sport going to the big competition seeing someone more physically talented than you however it's more discouraging to have them right next to you knowing you won't ever be in the same physical level as them. so that is exactly what this is about isn't it? >> it is and i think a lot of people across the country are trying to take this issue and make it into personal beliefs or to send a message on a different issue when really, what this comes down to, is fairness. fairness for girls, giving them a level playing field so that when they compete in these sports they can be successful and they have the opportunity to go on, go to college, get scholarships, be a professional, and make sure that they're competing against someone whose given the same gift and the same level of physical abilities that they were. steve: governor, before you go, we'll have you weigh in on some politics, over the last week

leah thomas who competed as a man as recently as 2019 finishing one race a full 38 seconds ahead of theting events as long as they have completed one year of testosterone suppression treatment. a texas substitute teacher is relieved of duty after a performance in class at school officials believe is toxic. watch. ♪ ♪ i'm addicted to you ♪ don't you know that you are toxic? carley: that unidentified teacher was asked to leave campus by school officials who claimed the production was a bit much. it's unclear what prompted the performance but the austin school district says it did not follow best practices. he also put on a whole light show, brian, my goodness, over to you. brian: we'll discuss this in the break. carley: certainly will. brian: the border crisis taking a brand new toll on yuma county, arizona, of course, where the sheriff reveals thousands of migrants have been illegally entering the state daily for the past few days. one migrant can be heard saying they are crossing now because the remain in mexico policy is about to be reinstated. >> everybody right now before it gets bec

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not change leah's body, so every time leah jumps into the pool, it's a man who is competing against women. this is grossly unfair. >> sean: so of course we are thomas only trans athlete out there. jerry chantel sounding the alarm. you had a pretty distressing morning for us about the future of women's sports. what is it? >> yes, thank you for having me. my message this evening is a call to action and it is that what you see right now in women's athletics is going to be the extinction of women's sports in general. this is the beginning stages of what this looks like. we need people to understand what is going on in athletics. we need people to understand that this is a complete discrimination of women and what is happening that we do not have our institutions and our universities and our governing bodies standing by watching this unfold. it's complete neglect. >> sean: that's frustrating to me because i couldn't agree with you more. this is an absolute threat to women's sports. so i wonder, you know, where all the olympic athletes, where are all the college athletes that are women? where's the ncaa? where moms and dads? there should be outrage acros