and this is why i'm so worried about 2024, because, you know, we depended on brian kemp, dan quayle, mike pence, brad raffensperger. these are the republicans who saved our democracy, and those people for the most part are not going to be in place in 2024. if you have people who are not willing to abide by the rule of law, i mean, what is that going to look like? what if kevin mccarthy is speaker of the house? and bogus competing slates of electors come in? you know, it really -- how much can law be a deterrent if you're willing to just use the veneer of law to accomplish political ends, the kind of bloodless coup. >> i want to read michael luding, who is a very revered figure in conservative legal circles and was a federal judge and left that job for the private sector. said this to abc news, had the supreme court refused to decide these issues as i think might have been likely, the country and our democracy would have spiraled into a chaos and neither would have soon recovered. literally jeopardizing our national security. legitimacy of our democracy would forever be thrown into do

kennedy: just asked dan quayle, they had the orange county republican took out a full-page ad in thegging then-president george h.w. bush to replace while on the ticket in 1992, he got hammered by his own party, by everybody. they called him dumb and lazy and all these awful things when really he was brilliant and kind, compassionate, lovely. marie, i don't think kamala harris is the first vice president to come up against it. >> i didn't expect a dan quayle lovefest. i love it. some criticism is in racist sexist language. the fact that many people can't pronounce her first name is evidence that there's something not good in our country but she totally is open for political criticism, it comes with the territory and her team is going to do a better job having her and her team tell the story of what she's been doing, i think she's been doing more than people give her credit for but we should not discount the misogyny and racism we also see on twitter and media every day, is still exists, let's not pretend it doesn't. kennedy: she's doing a great disservice to women and women of color

we depended on brian kemp, dan quayle, mike pence, brad raffensperger. these are the republicans who saved our democracy. and those people, for the most, part are not going to be complacent in 2024. and if you have people who are not willing to abide by the rule of law, what is that going to look like? what if kevin mccarthy is speaker of the house? and bogus competing electors committed? really, how much can lock be determined if you're willing to just use the veneer of law to accomplish political ends? it's a kind of bloodless coup. >> i want to read michael luttig, a very revered figure in concern for the legal figures. he left a job for the private sector. he said this to abc news, had the supreme court refused to decide these issues, which might have been likely, the country and our democracy would've spiraled into a chaos and which neither would have recovered literally jeopardizing our national security. legitimacy of our democracy would've been forever drawn in doubt and lost it could've never been distort. now that you've got the situation in wh

dan quayle said to mike pence on that phone call.ort of opaque conduct around any of these sort of unwilling participants in the 1/6 committee investigation? >> well, you know, i think you're right to put the emphasis on all the people who are cooperating. look, i mean, i have no problem with the committee subpoenaing other members of congress, but i think it is important to have the reality check that there's nothing they can do that can actually compel this testimony. i mean, even if they were to file criminal referrals for contempt, that does not actually force the testimony. but what you are seeing, though, is this incredible flood of data, of information, of text messages that they are using to put together what i think could be a very, very compelling story. we talked about this before. when this committee has the televised public hearings, which i hope are primetime and i hope people watch them, i think that they are going to be able to, you know, connect the dots, so there are, you know, opaque things in this investigation. i

did dan quayle save democracy. no. no, but you know credit for standing up. and saying because all he did was tell mike pence the truth about the situation he was in there was nothing he could do and i think i'm guessing pence also spoke to other people because he was probably trying to find somebody who would tell them what he wanted to hear which is yeah sure. you can overturn the results of the election. um, but i think it's hysterical that it's down quail. um, i hope spelling has gotten better. since last we heard from him, but no and in fact, i'm still not sure democracy has been saved at all. but anyway. just a couple more questions before we turn it back to molly for her final questions. are you optimistic or pessimistic about our future as a country? yeah, i i can't be pessimistic we need. as hard as it is we need to hang on to hope and as i said earlier, we we did something extraordinary in november. um, you know, we were well on our way to a very dark place and we ended up with joe biden as our president and kamala harris is our vice president. that

one of them, dan quayle. another indiana vice president, and, frankly, hero of the republic. quayle told pence, you can do this, you have to go with your constitutional duty. so, pence disappointed trump and his followers, but is trying to remain in the good graces of the republican base. therefore, attacking efforts to expand voting rights. therefore, attacking the idea of reforming the filibuster. he has largely adhere to the trump agenda since leaving office. only differences vagrant january six. otherwise, he's trying to -- but it's hard to see him getting much traction because, so many of them believe he betrayed his former boss, by not overturning election. >> melissa, what is your assessment of the progress that the committee is made? what are we going to look for in the coming weeks? >> i think we're going to see a lot of action, in terms of trying to get some of these members of congress -- to do so. most legal experts say that there is authority to do so. the speech in the debate clause of the constitution, which is been touted as a limit on the committees were -- r

i had an opportunity to go to work for vice president and quail -- dan quayle in the summer of 1990. i wanted to do something political early in my career. as it happens, somebody know -- somebody knows somebody, and i got this position and i was hired by the chief of staff. i did not know him, i like him, admired him, supported him. i did not meet him until my second week writing speeches for him on air force two. >> that is a nice place to get introduced. >> he knows you are there for a reason. >> not a stowaway. cody, how did you do this? >> i got my job through stephanie potter who introduced us tonight. the first speeches i ever wrote were for senator kennedy. and she introduced me in 2007 to john favreau. they had worked together on the campaign in 2004. we hit it off. he hired me in 2007 and i was stubborn enough not to leave until 2021. it illustrates the point that carolyn was making. i have had every advantage just by virtue of who i am. my parents sent me to a good college and help me in washington and i went to a good grad school. i had a bunch of connections. not everybo

back and read all these books about what happened post-election, i mean pence was like calling up dan quayleing, like, isn't there a way i can do this? pence is no hero here. i mean he's someone who stood for his entire life for this whole idea of morality, someone who went on the radio station and ranted against adultery, and then he teamed up with donald trump. i can't think of a more perfect phony in american politics than mike pence. >> nobody has said that. i've been waiting for someone to say that now for five years. this guy ran on -- he was such the perfect, oh, adultery and family and anti-gay and all of this, and then he ran with like the guy who, you know, had the affair with a porn star and have you. i've got to run, but i'm going to give kirsten the last thought here. go ahead, kirsten. >> on what? >> whatever you would like to say. that's dangerous, i know. >> yeah. i know, yeah. >> do you think pence -- pence is not going to cooperate, though, right? >> i don't think so. the truth is he doesn't really have much to lose. he doesn't have a bright future basically because of him

he was in the oval office, he had communications with dan quayle. he was at the center of all of this, this is why the committee wants to talk to, less so to figure out the time line of the events. pence really can shed light on what trump was saying to him specifically and cast some light into the mind-set and where trump's intent was at. >> mm-hmm. all this is happening, we have another voice adding to the conversation, that being former white house press secretary stephanie grisham who gave an interview after meeting with the house committee saying this about how trump was reacting to the riot as it was underway. take a listen. >> all i know about that day was that he was in the dining room gleefully watching on his tv as he often did, look at all of the people fighting for me, hitting rewind, watching it again. that's what i know. >> how significant is grisham's cooperation, and even that stunning first person insight about trump gleefully watching using her words there, that attack. how has the committee reacted to that information? >> i think

one of them, dan quayle, another indiana vice president and, frankly, unlikely hero of the republic. quail told pence, no, you can't do this, you have to do your constitutional duty. that disappointed trump and his follow he recalls, but he's trying to remain in the good graces of the republican base, therefore, attacking the idea of reforming the filibuster. he has largely adhered to the trump agenda since leaving office, otherwise he's trying to appeal to the maga base. but it's hard to see him getting much traction there because so many of them believe he betrayed his former boss by course there signs of election fraud. >> melissa, what is your assessment of the progress the january 6th committee has made? what are we going to be looking for in the coming weeks? >> i think we're going to see a lot of action in terms of trying to get some of these members of congress. i think we'll see a lot more debate about whether the committee actually has the legal authority to do so. most legal experts say that there is authority to do so. the speech and debate clause constitution, which has

schmidt, how much of this is sort of pence on one shoulder, you know, the guy that had to call dan quayle former vice president, and how much of this is, you know, i finally found something to hide behind. liz cheney and bennie thompson keep talking about a criminal referral. did he really want to cooperate and now he has an excuse or is he kind of always being pulled into doing the right thing because he really wants to be president? >> i don't know. i do think that mike pence really wants to be president. and really wants to run. you know, regardless of what donald trump may do. at the same time, i think he has his finger quite on the base of the republican party and understands what the consequences for him politically would be if he is seen as cooperating against trump. i think that, you know, as we reported, pence was irritated by the fact that there have been stories out there and, you know, individuals on the committee talking about this unprecedented or some, you know, high level of cooperation from pence folks when the key witness, marc short, was subpoenaed by the committee, and

including, according to "washington post" journalist bob woodward and rob costa fellow hoosier dan quayle was steve bannon's role in pushing the plan. on a phone call with the president, bannon said, quote, you've got to call pence and get him back here today. we're going bury biden on january 6, f-ing bury him. >> pence says he's talked to all of the lawyers that he can talk to, and he has decided that he can't. he doesn't have the power that the president says he has. and trump turns on him. yells at him. says that essentially he's betrayed him and the meeting doesn't end very well between the two men. >> but that did not stop the president from publicly pressuring the vice president on twitter ahead of the certification. >>> up next -- >> we were on a conference call and i told kevin mccarthy when people are convinced that the election was stolen and there is a route out, there is going to be violence. his response was simply "operator, next caller." three times the electorlytes and half the sugar. ♪ pedialyte powder packs. feel better fast. (birds chirping) ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ (phone b

into the actual plot outlined in the eastman memo that pence ultimately foiled by listening to dan quayle on paper to put an alternate slate in of electors that would have, as you just said, stolen the presidency. >> i think this is significant, nicole, and chuck will appreciate this concept. what these individuals did is they acted under the color of law, and that's a legal term that means that there's some authority given to a government official or government agency, and that authority is then used to deprive the constitutional rights, the liberties of others. and that's exactly what these individuals did on behalf of someone no less than the president of the united states. they acted under color of law to steal the right to vote from the american people. and i think this is so significant, nicole, because of all the things that we have to think about with respect to january 6th, there are ways to harden the gates, harden the doors, harden the glass, arm the capitol police, but if we're going to harden our laws, we have to engage in legal reform because under the electoral count act, u

highly respected, conservative judge, told mike pence what to do, as did former vice president dan quayleot advised vice president pence appropriately, we would have had a crisis where nobody knows what would have happened it wasn't sure if the supreme court had a legitimacy to intervene there. we need to work on this weird law and have it rescinded of 1887 it was in the tilldon hayes election corporations should be lining up behind efforts for general election reform so we shouldn't have this voter suppression nonsense that's swedin sweeping through. it makes no sense. they should say the big lie never happened that's what companies are doing -- >> jeff -- >> i have to make one point here if i can where is everybody else? we talk about stake holder governance, where are those stakeholders the 1960s, corporations were responding to the churches, the trade unions, professional associations, the pension funds, these institutional investors pounding their chest with their vir virtue carbon news tral and geometrix that don't correspond to anything the ceos have stood out there. but where is e