we've got a few senators that to paraphrase dave berry, think out of the hamilton style musical about their lives. i get all that. you got to remain independent. the -- political fads come and go, but the dollar doesn't. i hope not. the dollar underpins the entire world economy. politicize it at your own risk. let me shift gears, question. professor keynes, he has seen a resurgence in the last few decades in his number of followers. of course we both know he said one way to get out of a recession is to have the government spend money it doesn't have to deaf spend. stimulate the economy. to deaf -- deficit spend. stimulate the economy. he said something else the media usually doesn't quote. he also said when you get out of the recession, pay the damn money back, didn't he? didn't he say that? chairman powell: i was going to add that. what he said, it's ok to do deficit spending, you should be doing surplus in good times. senator kennedy: behind me is a chart of our public debt going all the way back to i think 1990. you don't have to be euclid to see the direction is up. and it's been