. >> certainly t t t t t t t t t school and we lived together for three years at stanford as undergraduates. >> we dug up a picture here courtesy of the alumni association, i think it is the forensics team. >> that was the forensics group, stephen and i both debated among other things. >> it was a competitive debate team, i will not ask you who was the stronger bader, i imagine that was a debate in itself. i know you talk regularly and you have talked recently, how long has he been contemplating this decision and announcement? >> he has seen and coming. from the day of bidens election victory that was announced, for those of us that believed it, he has been worrying about this situation and agonizing about it since then, i think it is fair to say. he was instantly aware of the reasons why people have been calling for his retirement. he has been pondering it and agonizing over it since then, i think it is fair to say. >> i can imagine how agonizing it must have been. there have been calls for him to retire, billboards up in d.c., op ed written by legal voices. do you think the justice felt t