. >> eugene mccloskey, over the years we've talked to you about several of your books. you've been on tv several times. you have brought up your episcopalian roots and activities in the past. what about your religious life? does that play into economics and human omics? >> right now, i'm working on a book called god in mammen. mammen was there. you hear him a chord, which was the language of jesus. the make word for money. mammen. and it's called the subtitle is a public theology for an age of commerce. it tries to show how god and mammon are not necessarily enemies. they can be enemies, but you can have corruption in religion, too, not only in the marketplace. so an corrupted versions of these two, the sacred and profane, god and mammon, can work together. and my claim is in humans they do, so if you're going to understand an entrepreneur or a worker, or for that matter a consumer, he need to understand where involvement with the transcendent, it is beyond the profane. when you buy -- when i was younger i had a mustang and it all made me feel so cool. before that i had