and mark hertling, former commander general in europe .how effective are strikes like these in crippling a group like isis? >> well, i mean, if you look at the taliban, anderson, president obama ordered a strike on mullah mansur who was the leader of the taliban. he was killed, they replaced him, and now they control afghanistan. in that case, clearly it was ineffective. i do think the attack on bin laden, al quaeda never really recovered from that. it was already in bad shape. they had taken a lot of hits from drone strikes from arrests. the new leader of al quaeda has not been particularly competent. so, i think it kind of depends on each group. but we know isis will appoint somebody else. they appointed somebody else after after abu bakr al baghdadi was killed during the trump administration. i don't think it's insignificant, but of course the war goes on. the ideology continues. one man's death does not kill this ideology which appeals to a certain group of people in failed or failing states in the middle east, central asia, and also i

now, earlier i spoke to military analyst mark hertling, he explained when in iraq in 2004 he was askedn forces in the south and he says they were very disorganized but have improved markededly since then. >> linked up with ukrainian forces and truthfully, they were the most disorganized, dysfunctional, undisciplined and corrupt forces i had ever seen. i drew an initial bias against the ukrainian forces. they were terribly led by their generals and their colonels, it was just a force we could not depend on. they were actually coordinating with some of the enemy in iraq because they were being paid to be there. over the years, though, when i continued to serve in europe, we saw the leadership within ukraine attempting to build a more professional force. and starting in about the 2008 time frame, they really got serious. there was a colonel -- excuse me, a colonel general who was the chief of land forces, and he put a great deal of effort into turning his military into a professional force. he told me one time when we were having a session that the biggest concern he had was the corruptio

. >> joining me now, retired general mark hertling.t is a specific list we heard from the secretary of state. . >> it is. when you look at the outline in his speech yesterday, john, the first three is rebuking lies. all these provocationsprovocati. none of this is happening. and yesterday when he ticked off the kinds of things russia could do was more than just assumptions. they could do this, they may do this. he said we're reading your intelligence much we are seeing your plans. it is not like david sanger just said. he is predicting what will happen. >> this is the overall alignment of ukraine surrounded by three sides. . >> right. >> the action we saw yesterday was taking place here in the donbas region. explain what's going on with the military region. >> with the dots all over the map, we can't get into the military mind-set that they are just dots on the map. they are real life forces. if russia is refuted throughout the country, they're going to continue to go here. this is the donbas that everyone has heard about. the two prov

. >>> perspective now from cnn military analyst and retired army lieutenant general mark hertling. thank you for being with us. we heard at the top of the show that the united states is moving u.s. troops and equipment to strengthen the baltic states and poland. this is on nato's eastern flank and also sending in f-35s and apache attack helicopters. what does this tell you? >> the military forces in europe, john, u.s. military forces under the command of u com, do this all the time. when i heard the president say that, that he's moving forces to the baltic countries, i have been there multiple times. the forces train there multiple times. this is not something new and it's relatively easy to go from poland to the baltics, from the baltics to romania and they practice all the time. the last year i was in command in europe, we did 400 different exercises in a year with 28 different countries that were in europe. that's not a big deal. but the interesting piece is it gives a little bit of safety and a feeling of camaraderie to the baltic countries, estonia, latvia, lithuania. they are

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general mark hertling, michael, we appreciate your perspective.hank you so much for the time. >> thank you, boris. >> of course. >>> be sure to watch cnn's "state of the union" at 9:00 a.m. eastern this morning. cnn's dana bash will have an important conversation with secretary of state antony blinken. do not miss that. >>> we have breaking news we want to share with you. buckingham palace has confirmed queen elizabeth has tested positive for covid-19. i want to get straight to cnn royal correspondent max foster who is on this. what do you know about her health right now and any potential symptoms? >> reporter: well, she was only tested today so they have let us know straightaway. we are told she has mild symptoms and mild enough, actually, to mean that she can carry on working. this is -- the statement that we got just a short while ago her majesty experiencing mild cold-like symptoms and expects to be continuing light duties at windsor over the coming week. will continue to receive medical attention and will follow all appropriate guidelines. sh

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. >>> joining us now, cnn military analyst and retired lieutenant general mark hertling.commanded u.s. army forces. general, i want to ask you your view of what russia has done so far. we don't know if putin will order the invasion. u.s. intelligence indicates they can invade. they have everything in place, detailed plans about air strikes, missile strikes and a plan to encircle the capital here, kyiv, within 24 to 48 hours. would putin amass such a force purely as a threat to pressure ukraine and not use it in your view? >> absolutely, he would, jim. i'm going to go back to the russian way of war which is very different than the american way of war, if you will. they use the so-called, and i'll use this in quotations, the grossmoff doctrine. they're not going to attack first with conventional forces from a gold start. shock troops aren't likely going to cross the border first without warning. as mathew said a minute ago -- i'm sorry. it was sam that said they have the combined arms army across the border. you have to remember, too, we have not seen russia use a combined

. >> reporter: now as to the timing of all of this, cnn military analyst mark hertling believes mr.been planning this for a long time but was surprised with the nato and u.s. support. >>> nato was struggling with people like merkel leaving the alliance. she was -- changed the election in germany. so a lot of things were happening then that aren't happening now but what we don't know is what is putin's next move? he wants to have plausible deniability if he decides to attack, he's going to attack. if he doesn't, he can say, hey, i was just there for an exercise, what the hell is nato all concerned about? >> reporter: and a former ambassador says if there is a war there will be significant costs for putin at home. >> the russian people are not particularly angry at the ukrainians. the russian people have a good attitude towards the ukrainians. they're going to wonder why president putin is sending their sons, daughters, fathers, brothers into combat and are getting killed and going back to be buried in russian towns. that is not a -- that could have -- that could disrupt president put

joining to us discuss the latest in ukraine is lieutenant general mark hertling.e's a former commanding general for europe and the seventh army. and jim townsend, the former deputy assistance secretary of defense for europe and nato policy. general hertling, i wanted to start with you, given the news that we have received that the british ministry of defense has estimated that russian forces are roughly only 30 kilometers, fewer than 20 miles from the capital, the center of kyiv. they say the ukrainians are continuing to put on a staunch resistance. and you said you believe that the russians would be surprised by the fierce response they would get from the ukrainians. given what we know, what's your assessment of the state of the conflict right now? >> it was a very good night last night, boris. an extremely good night for the ukrainian resistance, not only the military but guerilla activity. they are doing what they can to counter the russian forces. what we're seeing, i talked in the last couple of days on cnn, the russians are outrunning their supply line. they

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. >> joining us to discuss, retired army lieutenant general mark hertling, the former commanding generalor europe and the seventh army. also olga, a freelance journalist in ukraine, none resident fellow at the center for policy. general hertling, this video has come into cnn a short time ago. this took place in har kyiv, in the northeastern part of ukraine. it shows an attack, and i know you've looked at this video. can you give us a sense as we watch it, as to what weapon you think is being used here. >> i know what weapon is being used, jim. it's a smirch, part of a rocket attack. if you can continue to show the video, you see all the pops in the middle of explosions. those are cluster munitions. it would be bad enough if these were artillery rounds falling on an apartment complex, those are cluster munitions. let me explain. it's a rocket that goes overhead, releases a bunch of small bomblets, close to 100 of them. they land like hand grenades in a large swath of land. they are geared to execute civilian casualties on a massive scale. it's like having on each rocket that lands, 100 sm

. >> let's bring in retired general mark hertling. it's hard but i'm going to call you mark. this is the map of the north of 150,000 russian troops surrounding ukraine here. but i want to start small if i can so people can see the changes the last few days. we have been talking about this bridge over a river just four miles from the ukrainian border in belarus. it did not exist monday. tuesday, it exists. and i want you to explain to people, this is a closer look at it, what exactly we're looking at. >> okay. this is one of 1,000 photos that the european commander, folks in nato saying what's going on? it sets patterns of life, patterns of training, patterns of potential assaults. this is called a pontoon bridge. it is a series of fold off thing that fall off the pack of trucks and boats then push them into position. you could set this bridge within an hour or two. i'm no military analyst. we need spider marks to come in and talk about this. my question is, is this truly part of what the russian military is trying to do in terms of threaten northern ukraine, or is this just s

i believe we have general mark hertling on the line with us.eneral, just to give us a sense what sam was just reporting, this is where he is in kharkiv. this is very close to the russian border. belgorod is on the russian side. sam is suggesting what he is hearing might be outgoing artillery? what is the sense of what we're getting on the ground there? >> i think that is significant. the ukrainian army has been told by their president to hold fire, to not conduct any provocations in the run-up to this for fear it would factor in the russian's equations to attack. that's over now. they're at word. you will see really good actions by ukraine's army not just until using stinger missiles that have been provided for them or javelin missiles, but they have a good artillery set. the artillery school for the old ussr used to be in kharkiv. they also have -- they have been provided counterfire radar. what i mean by that is they can detect income coming rounds with a radar system and then immediately fireback on that location where the round came from. i

joining me for more on this, retired general mark hertling.part from belarus in the midst of these drills and barbara starr says this is the first time a u.s. chairman of the joint chiefs of staff has had any official communication with belarusian counterpart. how significant is that? >> it's true, even in europe when i commanded there, kate, i never talked to the belarusians either even though they're part of the footprint. they're not that amicable to enter relationships, engagements. we invited them to several conferences. they turned it down. but the connection between russia and belarus is critically important. belarus is seeing truthfully, i see it and i'm sure the chairman says the same way, a proxy of the russian state. that's why you don't engage with the commander. and i'd add to the fact, their army isn't that good. >> also reporting along with jeremy on signals, i think is the best way to describe it that the u.s. is watching for that, the first sign that an invasion by russia is under way in ukraine. how, is this something that ty

i want to go to our military analyst mark hertling. general, russian forces close to kyiv. what do you expect the next 24 hours is going to look like? >> thank you. i think that the russians now are faced -- they had their airborne special operators take over an airport about 40 hours ago. that provided them a bridge. they brought things in and they've been waiting for forces to come in from belarus. other forces we're seeing coming in from the south, meaning up from the route f. the russians want to get this done fast. the longer it takes, the uglier it gets. the russians have kind of reaped the whirlwind here. the media is on them and they're beginning to have problems at home. you're now about the possibly commit your forces and conventional forces, about 30% of which are conscripts, they're patriotic russians, but they don't want to be fighting and killing slav on slav. they want to take kyiv fast. they didn't the first night, which many of us would have thought they would have tried a real strike in the middle. but now you got to fight for it or do you besiege it? besi

cnn military analyst, retired lieutenant military general mark hertling. this feels a very significant moment in this crisis. maybe a go/no-go moment the way tony blinken laid it out, what the russians could do to show they really do not intend to invade ukraine further. what are you hearing from the state department? this was an unplanned visit. this happened overnight. you've got new reporting on how this all came about. talk to us about it. >> listen, kate. what the secretary of state just did was tie it all together, right. we have heard this in pieces from senior administration officials about this troop build-up that russia has carried out along ukraine's border, about the number of troops, but the secretary went even further and put it all on the record. under his name saying that russia is planning a pretext for an invasion into ukraine and laid out a number of things the united states believes russia could do as part of this pretext. he said they could go after the ukrainian government on false accusations. they could make up the fact that they di

. >>> joining us is mark hertling, cnn military analyst. up where katie bo left us there. she's talking about this border between ukraine and belarus and the concern that russian ground troops might be coming in and crossing the border right there. talk more about that please. >> they're coming from all directions, john, from what we understand. they have delayed in different pa parts. the attack is not synchronized where everyone goes at once. they will enter at different times, the synchronization effort we talked about last week. the ukrainian army is putting up a pretty good defense early on against aircraft, helicopters, some tanks as we've seen they've already destroyed by the kyiv post. it seems like it's very interesting and slow moving fight. the momentum has not generated yet. there was a lot of talk of so called shock and awe equivalent that we had in both desert storm and in iraqi freedom 1. it doesn't seem to be happening even though there is a lot of churn happening overnight, in the last 12 hours. it doesn't seem to be as sho

. >> perspective from cnn military analyst and retired army lieutenant general mark hertling. you heard the president say the u.s. has, quote, not yet verified that russia has begun the withdrawal of some troops. so what did you make of that remark? wouldn't the united states know if the russian troops were really moving? we would be able to tell, yes? >> absolutely, john. and it's been a roller coaster of a day since we last talked at 6:00 a.m. this morning. what i would say is there are certainly ways to not only verify but to just see. it doesn't take verification. both satellite imagery and high flying aircraft would be able to pinpoint the movement and where these forces are going. and certainly, that intelligence feed has made its way to the president after the various members of putin's cabinet said this morning that they were going to start pulling back. they're not pulling back based on intelligence. they may be repositioning, but are they repositioning from their motor pools to attack positions? are they repositioning to where they should be, if they're pulling back,

mark hertling and barbara starr, thank you to both of you. >> we expect that pentagon announcement in the next hour. we will bring it to you live when it happens. >>> we turn now to a shocking story out of the nfl. fired miami dolphins coach brian flores is suing the league for what he says are racist hiring practices. and he's got the receipts. flores claims he was forced to sit for a sham interview with the new york giants only to satisfy the league's diversity rules. >> he makes other allegations here too. including the idea that the miami owner offered him money to tank -- to lose games, to move their position up for draft picks. cnn's leyla santiago joins us now from miami gardens, florida. i'm curious how the franchise is responding to these allegations this morning. >> reporter: well, you know, they're not acknowledging much of what flores is alleging in this lawsuit. in other words, they're saying they are doing their best to improve diversity in the league, but let's talk about what flores has just said on cnn. he says in this lawsuit that the league has a problem with racial

joining me for more on this, retired lieutenant general mark hertling. thank you for being here.bout and seen throughout the day. tanks moving from russia towards ukraine's border. what does it mean to you? >> first thing i'd say, kate, is i was on earlier with fred when he was viewing those smirch rockets fired. they are firing from inside of russia into ukraine. and so they are outside the range of any kind of ukrainian counterattack and they usually are preparing the battlefield for the tanks, for the personnel carriers and the mobile artillery that follows behind them. what you're seeing is the prep from long distances and then a rolling in of the forces to go after the cities or the particular objectives that they're going to. it's the russian way of war. they will prep the battlefield with long range artillery and then come in with helicopters as you're showing right now, come in with fast-moving jets, close air support and then they bring in the conventional forces later on. all of that is going on while they're also conducting cyber activities and other kinds of asymmetri

. >>> let's get important perspective from general mark hertling, former commanding general of the u.sarmy europe. grateful to see you on this. let me start with fascinating new reporting by several members of our national security team that u.s. intelligence has intercepted some conversations among russians essentially going back out to putin saying we're not sure you understand how bloody this would be. we're not sure you understand how dangerous it would be. what do you make of those communications? >> i think they are accurate, john. i've seen intercepts like that when i have -- when i was privy to intelligence reports in terms of russian generals talking to the kremlin. and they certainly have concerns because what you're talking about in this operation, there's been a big deal made of the fact that there's 130,000 russian forces surrounding ukraine. that ain't enough, truthfully, from a military perspective, you're talking about a very large nation of ukraine. they have 200,000 of their own soldiers, certainly not as capable as some of the russian troops, but they have also 41 mi

i wanting to to mark hertling, former commanding army general in the seventh army and steve hall, the former cia chief of operations. let me start with you, the contentious meeting at the u.n., the russian ambassador accusing the u.s. of whipping up tensions and rhetoric saying you're almost calling for this. you want this to happen. those are the quotes. what did you make of this diplomatic brawl that we saw so in the open at the u.n. today? >> yeah. it was quite vociferous, erin. it's sort of the russian version of i know you are but what am i sort of kindergarten tactics, just condemning and saying that, you know, the west has it wrong. everybody has it being were. we have no interest. you guys are making this all up. you want this to happen that. stands in stark contrast, you know, to all of the overhead imagery that you and other networks have been showing. it's obvious what's going on on the other side of the border and for the russian ambassador to the u.n. simply to say no, it's not there. you guys are making this all up. it's ludicrous. but i thought american ambassador's res

. >> general mark hertling, steve hall, thank you both so much for being with us tonight. we are going to have a live report from moscow later in the hour. zblrkts next, though, looking at a live shot of the bridge between detroit and windsor, ontario, after a canadian judge tries to put the hammer down on the trucker inspired protestors blocking it. a conversation with the mayor of ottawa, a capital city now lo losing patience with their own protestors. >>> latser, again with russia. the russian olympic doping controversy. the team skating sensation caught in the middle of it after testing poz ittive for a banned substance and the question should she be allowed to compete next week? sports writer christine brennan has some strong thoughts on that. she will join us ahead on "360." certified turbocharger, suspension and fuel injection. translation: certified goosebumps. certified from headlamp to tailpipe. that's certified head turns. and it's all backed by our unlimited mileage warranty. that means unlimited peace of mind. mercedes-benz certified pre-owned. translation: th

. >>> let's bring in retired army general mark hertling and also nina, professor of international affairs at the new school and great granddaughter of former soviet leader. she's also co-author of the book "in putin's footsteps:searching for the soul of an empire across russia's 11 time zones." first to you, nina. right now as we're hearing about this potential window for negotiation, the kremlin said that putin is willing to negotiate. what is your read on this and the changing factors with the possibility of some movements when it comes to assets? >> well, thank you very much. i think that when we say putin is willing to negotiate, putin never said he was unwilling to negotiate. in fact, that has been in the kind of russian presentation that has been the story all along that we're talking. we want diplomacy. we don't want to invade, but we have to prepare for all this ratcheted up american rhetoric and therefore we have our troops to make sure that nothing happens on that border. so, for me, this is just something that the russians have been getting to when all these rounds of negotiati

. >>> let's get more from cnn military analyst retired lieutenant general mark hertling.hear. barbara starr talking about amphibious activities down here. fred pleitgen is up here in russia watching more armor come across the border. we talked to matthew chance earlier hearing shelling again around kyiv and russian troops are advancing. so one thing we do know is initially some thought maybe this wourld just be about the separatist areas in southeastern ukraine. no, this is about all of ukraine, right? >> yeah, i believe we're seeing the russians attempting to fix ukrainian forces in place so they can't do the internal moves to address all threats, john. and what we've been seeing in just watching the film, the great film that fred is showing up in the north, those seem like a bunch of logistic vehicles to me. so you're talking about the support of the access of advance from the north. in those potential attacks in the south along the azov and black sea, when you see the term naval infantry, that's the russian equivalent of the marines. so these are folks that are about t