let's speak to him, ron khan, who has been monitoring this conference for us. of course, what's happening in ukraine to threatens gas supplies and services, no doubt, some issue that came up during this conference. how much has it dominated, or the last 2 days, while publicly speaking it hasn't dominated at all. none of the delegates, none of the governments, they are actually talking about the crisis in ukraine. what they're actually saying is that this is about gas and gas exporting countries and how they are going to deal with future demands of gas behind closed doors. though ukraine has been a very big talking point. we've been talking to sources within the ministry of foreign affairs here in the cat or what they've actually told us is that they are very concerned about capacity. now the americans already are scattered to, to try and supply gas to europe too, and make sure that supplies are unbroken if they're the crisis in ukraine gets, and he was a russia what builds it, supply for various reasons, including at western sanctions catalog that she said to i