>> well, obviously one of the things we advocate for is more funding for agencies like the national archives national endowment for the humanities, but we are -- another part of our mission is obviously what we're talking about today, the preservation of records, access to records, declassification, issues like that. so this goes -- what we're talking about this morning goes to the core of our mission. >> and what we're talking about is the presidential records act of 1978. let me read for our viewers, change legal ownership of the official records of the president from private to public. establish a new statutory structure under which presidents and the nara must manage the records of their administrations. the national archives records administration that is, so what -- how did this come about and why? >> well, the genesis of it was president nixon, as we all know, he had his -- the tapes and others materials related to watergate. congress was afraid if they -- well, let me backtrack one step. before the presidential records act of 1978 passed, the records of a president were his personal

trump returned 15 boxes of documents to the government last month, prompted the national archives to reach out to the justice department for guidance, the person said. the department told the national archives to have its inspector general exam in the matter, the person said. it is unclear what the inspector general has done since then, in particular, whether the inspector general has referred the matter to the justice department. and inspector general is required to alert the justice department to the discovery of any classified materials that were found outside of authorized government channels. joining us now on this breaking news is reid j. epstein, national politics reporter for the new york times. he is one of the reporters working on the story tonight. read, what can you tell us about the route archives has discovered? >> well, lawrence, we don't know the extent of what's classified materials are in the boxes. we know that the archives, part of what they do is they go through presidential records. so, they have a lot of archivists who are trained to understand what is classifie

the discovery prompted the national archives to reach out to the justice department for guidance, the person said the department told the national archives to have its inspector general examine the matter. but the times doesn't know what happened next. meanwhile, the "washington post," which first reported on the national archives referral to the justice department, also reports that these discussions between the two agencies are preliminary, it's not yet clear whether the justice department will investigate this, but what does it take to decide whether trump's record-keeping regimen breaks the law? joining us now is alana cohen, former white house counsel and office of management and budget during the obama administration, i assume you're well briefed about what you're supposed to and not supposed to do with documents not just for the president but in these jobs that you've worked in, it's pretty clear, i mean it's got to be president 101, to realize you can't destroy documents in the white house, and yet, we've been hearing reports for years that donald trump does this. >> yes, than

the archives got back from mar-a-lago? what types and how much is there? because the nationalwent to mar-a-lago, the beachfront resort last month to to get 15 boxes of documents that were not turned over to them, at the end of the presidency as they should've been. among the items were love letters, and the former presidents words with kim jong- un, the letter that barack obama wrote him when he took over his presidency and other mementos and gives things that should have been turned over after the national archives. the new york times reported as well that there was the famous hurricane sharpie map and those items. what we know about those items is that they were a collection of things of the president deemed personal, the former president, should've been turned over according to the national archives, when he left the white house. >> i did know that you had experts telling you it was much more than usual. and unusually high level of documents that had been turned over, the trumpet administration officials are continuing to search for additional records. what do we know about

the discovery prompted the national archives to reach out to the justice department for guidance. the person said, the department told the national archives to have its inspector general exam in the matter. the times doesn't know what's happened next. meanwhile, the washington post, which first reported the national archives referral to the justice department, also reports that these discussions between the two agencies are preliminary. it's not yet clear whether the justice department will investigate this. what does it take to decide whether trump's record-keeping regiment breaks the law? joining us now is cohen, a former associate counsel. and then, general counsel for budget during the obama administration. miss cohen, thank you for being here tonight. i assume that you are well briefed on what you are supposed to and not supposed to do with documents. not just for the president, but in these jobs that you have worked in. it is pretty clear. i mean ... it has to be president when no one to realize that you cannot destroy documents in the white house. we've been hearing reports

the entire apparatus around record archiving and the whole process of the white house records management, and the transfer to the national archives had a completely changed approach because of the former president's habits, he was shredding everything in sight, and it was almost involuntary and pretty habitual. but this actually continued through 2021. right until he left office, which we found out in our reporting about the january 6th investigation, that we were not, we really had no idea that it was going to lead to where we are today which is the national archives telling us that actually, it resulted in 15 boxes being retrieved from mar-a-lago, after they were found to be properly transferred from the trump white house to the national archives, this is in violation of the presidential records act and perhaps even more importantly the archives said in their statement to us that trump's lawyers are still actual lit searching for additional documents and might be handing more documentation over. >> so we know shredding, we have now heard of burn bags, i don't know if that means that the burn bags stuff actually got bur

and by law, should have been turned over to the national archives. according to sources familiar with the records, the documents, which went with him to florida, included letters he received from north korean dictator kim jong-un. >> he wrote me beautiful letters. and they're great letters. we fell in love. >> reporter: also in the boxes, the handwritten note that president obama left for trump t oval office. desk. a letter trump seemed quite proud to receive. >> is there a line you can share that struck you most? >> there are numerous lines. so well written, so thoughtful. >> reporter: those documents sat somewhere at trump's mar-a-lago resort for a full year before he turned them over to the national archives last month. in a statement, the national archives said the records should have been turned over before trump left the white house. a requirement that also applied to his predecessors under a law called the presidential records act. but trump appeared to show little regard for preserving official records. according to the archives, many of the r

would they go to the national archives or the library? have the answer to that question. i know the national archives is the designated federal repository, and the agreements of the president libraries act and president records act allows those documents to be held at libraries, but you are asking which specific ones would stay here at the national archives in d.c. versus what goes to the museum. i don't know if that is some thing that gets worked out individually by the folks who oversee those museums or not. but i appreciate the question. caller: thank you. host: bud in massachusetts, good morning. caller: just a general comment. having lived for a while in new zealand, which has a similar history two hours, drawing on endless common law, to principles dominate -- two principles predominate, fairness and freedom. in new zealand, they did not forsake freedom. in america, we have fetishized freedom at the sake of fairness. caller: good morning. just when to make a statement on open forum that with our government, we talk about the convoys

the washington post reports today, but the national archives had to go retrieve 15 boxes of documents and records from mar-a-lago. that should've been turned over when trump left the white house. the national archives says, that trump staff are quote, continuing to search, and quote four additional records. that may have been thrown into trump's you all when he left the white house for mar-a-lago. and don't forget to check the clubhouse for any more letters from world leaders. make sure a box of presidential memorabilia or memorandum didn't get stuck behind the wet bar pool. the post, and now the new york times, both reports that the contents of the 15 boxes include, correspondence from trump and the north korean dictator, kim john. as well as a letter that president obama left for trump when obama left office. according to the times tonight, also in the box was his amazingly this. the national weather service map that he altered with a sharpie during a hurricane briefing in 2019. now you will recall that he used a sharpie to change the projected path of a hurricane in order to match

they have got to be left in the custody of the national archives. d for goodness sakes, the ripped up documents, some of which you haven't been able to put back together -- that's a wholesale violation of the act, too. to me, it raises the question of whether there are criminal penalties for the destruction of government documents, and it does raise the question of whether one of the possible criminal referrals that the committee may be looking at is conduct in and around these documents. >> so, josh, to the best of your knowledge, has there been any attempt by the former president or member of his team to impede the handover of documents like these to the national archives? >> i am not aware of any sort of effort to impede. obviously, the former president took them improperly, according to the nation archives. his team says this was not nefarious, that, you know, he did not view as things that had to go to the national archives. obviously, the national a archives feels differently. but still have a lot of reporting to do on this, john. some facts ha

the national archives confirming some of those documents were classified. we're going to get into what the doj could do with this new information. >>> plus, new developments for trump and his kids and their ties to multiple active investigations. >>> more infighting in the republican party. kevin mccarthy once told members to stay out of primary fights. now he's jumping in endorsing liz cheney's challenger. >>> and a new inside look how mitch mcconnell is trying to influence his party to shake off the control of donald trump. i'm lindsey reiser. we have a team of reporters and analysts following the latest from washington, d.c., to munich to ukraine. moments ago vice president kamala harris speaking at the munich security conference and making clear russia will face consequences, should they invade ukraine. >> let me be clear. i can say with absolute certainty if russia further invades ukraine, the united states together with our allies and partners will impose significant and unprecedented economic cost. >> president biden saying yesterday he is now convinc

for example, last week, cnn reported that the national archives handed over to the january 6th house ad been taped back together because during the trump administration, according to the national archives, trump himself ripped up document and then some staffer had to come in with tape and put it all back together and again, just another example of the ways in which the trump administration, again, abated this legal obligation to provide records. meanwhile, members of the republican party criticized people like hillary clinton for using a private email server. so this hypocrisy here certainly at play, now we're learning, again, the great lengths that the national archives has to physically get these papers out of the former president's grip. >> is it clear, it says multiple boxes but is it clear what kind of documents we're talking about that he took down to florida? >> the according to "the washington post," these are letters that would be between the former president and world leaders like kim jong-un. the love letters, if you remember trump saying that, they fell in love. there were

so in the national archive started processing so much of the material after the presidency ended, i'm, they found there were lots of documents that were ripped and taped back together. some of those documents will provide it to the january 6th committee that had still been taped back the other and they found many other documents. they said that were not put back together. i, some of them had been reassembled and some of them had not. and it's been a particularly arduous challenge for the national archives dealing with the habits of someone who ripped so indiscriminately for so long. one of the issues josh, that gave president trump lift during his campaign against hillary clinton was that, you know, she was in a controversy that she had destroyed emails. aah! had used a private email server and that many that she had gone through and delivered some of those emails back, but there were literally tens of thousands, if not more, that she hadn't have. we had any response from president trump about that juxtaposition of his concern over hillary's e mails versus his proclivity to shred docu

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and at this point, all of these things combined are so troubling to federal officials at the national archives that they are now asking prosecutors to try to figure out if this was just sloppy or something more sinister. "the new york times" report, the national archives and records administration believes they have found classified information among the 15 boxes of records they retrieved from former president donald trump at mar-a-lago last month. a source briefed on the matter telling "the times", the archives reached out to the justice department about the discovery, and the doj referred them to their inspector general to examine the matter. it is unclear if the doj will formally investigate. during the 2016 presidential election, trump repeatedly criticized hillary clinton over classified material on her email server. >> after her private server was revealed last month, her staff deleted all the emails and wiped it clean. people who have nothing to hide don't bleach. nobody's ever heard of it. don't bleach their emails or destroy evidence to keep it from being publicly archived as required

she's been covering the national archives efforts to overturn trump documents. nd luke broadwater has written for the new york times. they both join me now. let me start with you, ashley, just about the national archives. because a playing an interesting role here. clearly, they're not happy. they're not happy with the degree of compliance, which i should notice, my wife worked at the obama white house, it's not like -- it's not some law that no one ever in forces. lott white house takes this line extremely seriously. extremely. they do complaints trainings on this. there's a whole set of processes in place. what is the national archives finding out and whether they requesting as they go through their own documents? >> the national archives basically found out, they realize that there was some things that they would've expected on what -- would have been turned over with the regular process is. for instance, what former president trump describes as the love letters between himself and kim jong-un. the letter that former president barack obama left him which is a

it's confirmed by the national archives. what happens? >> we're continuing our investigation. rom the national archives and confirmed everything we suspected, he removed classified documents, torn up classified documents, torn up records and did not turnover overall of the records. we're preceding with the investigation. the archives is going to do an inventory of what is contained in the 15 boxes. we look forward to seeing that. we're working on getting the additional information. we know he literally tore up documents. they reported they received documents that were torn up and had to piece them together so i agree with one thing he said, no one is above the law including the president. >> well, clearly and are you republicans felt hillary clinton, they talked about things like preimpeachment had she become president. i wonder if you can foresee the oversight committee perhaps doing a criminal referral for the abuse of classified records. >> the national archives returned this information over to the department of justice. it's up to them to make a determination of what the s

the archives as soon as he left office. the archives released a statement saying quote, in mid january, 2022, the national archives and records mar-a-lago property in florida to the national archives of 15 boxes that contain presidential records following discussions with president trump's representatives in 2021. the statement continues. they are continuing to search for additional presidential records that belong to the national archives. the washington post was first to report on this writing quote, trump advisers deny any if areas intent and said the boxes contained momentous, gifts, letters from world leaders, including kim jong-un own and barack obama. tonight, the new york times reports the retrieve documents also included a map that mr. trump famously drew on with a black sharpie marker to demonstrate the track of hurricane dorian heading toward alabama and 2019 to backup a declaration he had made on twitter that contradicted weather foca

a violation of the presidential records act that requires items and materials be taken to the national archivesion, and because of this violation, the national archives is now asking the justice department to step in and look into whether president trump was in violation of federal law by taking these items to mar-a-lago. now, house oversight democrats are actually calling out the president for this. listen here. >> when you sit in that white house, it belongs to the government, to the archives for us to maintain. he knows it, because we have him on record, and he, meaning donald trump, the former president knew how wrong this was because he used it in his campaign repeatedly of how he demonized hillary clinton for doing the same thing. so i'm very, very interested and prepared to have interesting dialogue and investigation into these issues. >> reporter: for his part, the former president reacting in a statement this week, saying, all of these boxes were returned to the national archives without conflict and now the committee is asking for answers to a list of questions about how these boxes e

presidential documents and records from the white house, to mar-a-lago, and back, from the custody of the national archives they belong. the ordeal only culminated last month, january 17th. nearly a year to the day after the former insurrectionists and chief left the nation's capital. this story begins last summer, when the national archives and records administration reached out to the former presidents team to tell them, some high-profile documents from his presidency appeared to be missing. then, followed an unusually long process of noncompliance from the failed former presidents team, so much so that it one, point at the national archives officials threatened to send a letter to congress or the justice department, revealing the lack of cooperation. well eventually, these items, some of which are even marked classified and top secret, or packed up into those 15 boxes. the post notes that the former president was a noticeably secretive about the packing process, so much so that top aides and longtime administrative staffers did not see the contents. at least he eventually backed them up, and didn't flus

department of state and i was going around the internet looking looking on the national archives website couldn't quite find it emailed the national archives. he emailed back within hours with a link to all department of state bulletins, which are a fascinating study in and of themselves and then a record group that he had found and deed there are files on all the companies who in the early 50s cooperated with the united states government in these projects and there it is a box to be seen in washington when or in mara in college park, maryland where the national archives sit that once covid ends, but there is a box titled bowman trading cards in the us government archives so much work to be done. the soviet communist party has not faced. serious internal threat to its political rules since the 1920s yet after years of forced sacrifices by the population shortages of food and clothing persist housing remains inadequate intellectual and artistic expression are stifled and growing corruption reaches into all levels of society. the soviet people respond with public displays of cynicism, but

the "new york times" is reporting that the national archives discovered -- i can't believe i am reporting this because i am thinking back to 2015 and 2016 and remember the e-mails. my gosh. the national archives discovered what it believed was classified information in the documents the former president took with him from the white house when he left washington in disgrace. they found the information after he returned 15 boxes of documents to the government last month. according to a source, it prompted the archives to go to the doj for guidance. mishandling classified documents is a very big deal. remember? should we be saying, but his e-mails! lock him up. maybe. rush' if you're listening -- >> 33,000 e-mails disappeared. people who have nothing to hide don't smash phones with hammers. they don't. people who have nothing to hide don't bleach. nobody's ever heard of it. don't bleach their e-mails or destroy evidence to keep it from being publicly archived as required under federal law. she also, and her staff, destroyed some of her 13 different phones but this time with a hammer. >> not

. >>> plus, this, the national archives asking the doj to investigate former president trump's handling of white house records. this after boxes of documents were recovered from mar-a-lago. did they contain classified information? we'll discuss coming up. >>> and once again, russia, at the center of an olympic doping scandal after someone on their figure skating team failed a drug test. we're going to discuss the major implications, what it could mean for team usa. we begin, though, with news on inflation. cnn chief business correspondent christine romans covering as well as white house correspondent arlette saenz. christine, i want to begin with you. a 40-year high, consistent with the numbers we saw last year, so basically saying inflation is staying above the 7% level? >> it is still running hot. 7.5% is the year over year level and when i look into the month to month bit of a disappointment there, .6% increase, we had seen that moderating, but not in the most recent month. driving this food, electricity, and shelter, those are things you can't really skimp on in many cases. the tren

the statement from the national archives on how these records were returned back to the national archiveshout the course of last year, 2021, the national archives obtained the cooperation of the trump representatives to locate what hadn't been transferred to the national archives at the end of the trump administration when a representative informed the archives in december of last year that they had located some of the records and the archives arranged for them to be securely transported to washington, d.c. from mar-a-lago, adding that those officials did not visit or raid the mar-a-lago property. time for just a couple of your phone calls left in this open forum on this president's day. frederick in new york, republican line, go ahead. caller: yes, this is frederick decker from camden, new york. i am calling because of the minimum wage, the $15 per hour they are striving to get to? my daughter got a raise a couple of years ago. it was great then, here we are a few years later, she's right back, living from paycheck-to-paycheck. the worst part of this whole thing is that the raises and th

the archives as soon as he left office. the archives released a statement saying quote, in mid january, 2022, the national archives and records administration arranged for the transport from the trump mar-a-lago property in florida to the national archives of 15 boxes that contain presidential records following discussions with president trump's representatives in 2021. the statement continues. they are continuing to search for additional presidential records that belong to the national archives. the washington post was first to report on this writing quote, trump advisers deny any if areas intent and said the boxes contained momentous, gifts, letters from world leaders, including kim jong-un own and barack obama. tonight, the new york times reports the retrieve documents also included a map that mr. trump famously drew on with a black sharpie marker to demonstrate the track of hurricane dorian heading toward alabama and 2019 to backup a declaration he had made on twitter that contradicted weather forecast. it's not yet known if any of those 15 boxes of records taken from mar-a-lago contain any documents related to january 6t

last week the national archives revealed it found classified information in 15 boxes of documents stored at mar-a-lago. his the justice department investigating how that got there and who might have accessed it? attorney general garland: as the archivist said in a letter sent to congress, the national archives have informed justice department of this in communicated with it and we will do what we always do under the circumstances, look at the facts of the law and take it from there. >> hi, thanks for doing this press conference. last july, the justice department had a research report that went out that said for decades the doj has declined to prosecute 82% of the people who are suspected of hate crimes. why is this case today -- what does this case say about your path going forward, why has it been so difficult in the past to secure a conviction, and do you think now in hindsight that entering into a plea in this case would have taken light of the victory? attorney general garland: your second one was just asked, the same answer i gave on that one. on the first question, every case is de

>> reporter: alex, we know that the national archives was so concerned over all of this that we've pullede justice department to investigate. the national archives saying that the 15 boxes recovered by trump's mar-a-lago home by the archives last month is raising more questions than providing answers. the archives is now saying that they recovered classified and torn up records among these boxes and they say that they are aware of missing records now, missing records from their logs that they say include some social media records. the archives saying in a statement, quote, some white house staff conducted official business using nonofficial electronic messaging accounts that were not copied or forwarded into their official electronic messaging accounts. now, some democrats here on capitol hill are saying that it looks like the trump white house may have intentionally kept these records from the national archives that they're required to give these records to per the presidential records act. here is house oversight committee chairwoman carolyn maloney on all of this. >> right now we are p

the national archives had retrieved the records the last month.were boxes of momentoes, gifts, letters from world leaders. the trump camp trying to create the narrative that this was all the fun stuff, jim. the stuff that would jog your memory. >> a letter from the north korean leader to the u.s. president is not a christmas card from a fund-raiser. that's a presidential record. >> right. it follows a pattern that we've seen over and over and we reported on for several months now, of people within the trump administration, blatantly disregarding the legal obligation to pass these records over to the national archive. there were documents that were regularly shredded. the national archives retrieved documents that had to be put back together, from staff at that time, put together with tape. that shows the ways that the trump administration continued to sidestep it's obligation to put forth the records. and "the washington post" story rightly points out there are a lot of national security risks with not putting forth the documents. you know, it cou

archives to reach out to the justice department for guidance. the department told the national archives to have its inspector general examine the matter. it is unclear what the inspector general has done since then. well today, nbc news confirmed that doj has been asked to look into whether the federal law regulating presidential records was violated by the trump administration. adam schiff is a member of the january 6th select committee. >> it looks very willful. if there is evidence of potential woefulness and the destruction of documents, that is the kind of case that if any case is going to be prosecuted, might be prosecuted. >> earlier today, there was a major escalation from the january six committee as it goes after another of trump's fiercest allies, the committee has now subpoenaed his former traded by, sir peter navarro, in doing so it says navarro, quote, reportedly worked with steve bannon and others to develop an implement a plan to delay congress's certification of, and ultimately change the outcome of the november 2020 presidential election. in his book, mr. nava

meanwhile this week on the domestic front, the national archives asked the department of justice to investigate former president trump's handling of white house documents, including information marked by ossified. -- classified. washington has seen both parties divided. the republican national committee censured representatives for taking part in the january 6 investigation they called the violent attack legitimate political discourse. that language immediately led to backlash from democrats and a few republicans. mitch mcconnell pushed back as well. >> it was a violent insurrection with the purpose of trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power after a legitimately certified election. from one administration to the next. yamiche: in the meantime, a number of democratic gornors announced they would rollback mask requirements. in his interview with nbc news, the president stood by the mandates. he would not directly criticized democratic governors. >> the science says it. it is a tough call. yamiche: joining the conversation now is the editor at large for a nonprofit news site. thank you fo

let me circle back to the national archives information, glen. u and i have talked about this before. it seems likely that the thing that will most likely result in accountability, legal accountability for trump will be something other than the insurrection which is kind of hard to wrap your mind around when you think about how unprecedented it is to try to overturn an election. but it seems to be other things that present him with more immediate legal jeopardy whether it's the tax evasion, messing with his insurance, leveraging the value of his properties or interfering with the georgia election. here we have a very nonpartisan entity, the national archives, which seems to kind of have trump dead to rights. your thoughts on this? >> yeah. it will be interesting to see which government agencies or institutions don't refer donald trump for criminal investigation at the end of the day. but you know, the national archives story is a danger zone for trump in a couple of different ways. even though the presidential records act is largely toothless. it'

the national archives asked the justice department to investigate his handling of white house recordsporter for the "washington post" who helped to first report on this story and cnn chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin. matt, lay out your reporting for us this morning. >> yeah. so we know -- we've reported over the scope of the last week the national archives recovered from mar-a-lago 15 boxes of documents. and archives officials who recovered the documents, government documents which needed to be handed back to the archive, might have been sensitive. in our latest reporting, there were actually markings on these documents that indicated they were top secret or other secure compartmented programs that some characterize as above top secret. and there are markings on the documents indicating they were that. and that is really significant. that means the documents are classified. there weren't markings they had been declassified. that raises the stakes for everyone involved here. you reported and we reported to the department of justice to look into this. the documents are being secured i

. >>> also breaking this morning, president biden ordering the national archives to release white house visitor logs from the trump administration to the january 6th committee. what could the panel learn? >>> meanwhile, on the pandemic, as covid cases continue to plummet, the cdc will discuss masking in the next hour at the white house covid briefing. the agency finalizing plans to loosen indoor masking guidance in the next couple of days. >>> also this morning, a coalition of grassroots immigration advocates urging the congressional hispanic caucus to push for reform. former congressman louis gutierrez will join me with more. >> and we begin with the very latest on the escalating tensions between russia and ukraine. russia continues to insist that it is pulling back troops from positions around ukraine, and has no plans for an invasion. even releasing this video, shot last night, appearing to show tanks crossing a bridge from crimea into the russian mainland after the defense ministry said the completion of planned exercises. but secretary of state tony blinken told "morning joe" that

about classified information removed from the white house, apparently improperly according to the national archives. what recourse would house oversight have here as we talk about this response from chairman maloney? >> reporter: the first step in the recourse was asking to make sure that national archives got their hands on this information and that some of it was classified. now that they have that confirmation, and we'll see what happens next, but the other piece of this too is we knee the oversight committee are far from the only people trying to get their hands on documents from the waning weeks and days of the trump administration. the select committee comes to mind as a group of people keenly interested in what was being archived, the memos and all of the different pieces that comply with the records act. a lot of that is being turned over to the january 6th committee thanks to the courts saying they should have that information, but this does leave the open question of, you can't look for something that you don't know is missing, and so in theory, you have the presidential records act so th

>> i think it's more perilous to trump than is the national archive issue. ast thing the former president wants to be put under oath in a deposition, which can be a fishing expedition of sorts with quality counsel on the other side of the fence just as this week the new york attorney general won a similar battle to be able to get his testimony and that of don jr. as well as ivanka. so i think it's real problematic if all of a sudden he's under oath and having to answer questions about these issues. >> you know, wolf, i have to add during the whole muller investigation, i spoke to a lot of attorneys who had previously represented donald trump and who represented donald trump at the time. and not one of them wanted to put donald trump -- and michael, you're on attorney -- wanted to put donald trump under oath before an attorney because they knew he would lie. and so remember in the muller case he ended up doing written answers, which his lawyers wrote for him. but the notion that he would actually go to answer questions, i think his lawyers would keep him very