escalating the confrontation, and not -- scaling the conflict beyond ukrainian territory it can be john perry has to be done through some sort of consultation, communication and that may not be possible to right this moment because as far as i understand oral communications between russia and nato has been terminated for good. >> i know you want to jump in. i want to ask you about a point that robert and alexi ri aised. and there have been calls for a limited no-fly zone perhaps in the west of the country. is that something that would be acceptable to ukrainians? >> well, first, i would like to ask alexi to stop putin's -- [inaudible] thousands of civilians killed. you should realize that a new should not, you should not use putin's narrative, because putin 's narrative kills real people in ukraine and you have no, obligation . you should not commit the crimes in the media. second thing, no. the partial no-fly zone is not working. what are you talking about? this is like, what? safe people in one region and putin and russian occupation, army in all other regions? is that what you suggest? can

john perry said last week the real tragedy of ukraine is it's slowing our efforts on climate change.ft's view is about domestic oil production. >> climate change, we just saw the u.n. report this week. this problem is an existential crisis and getting worse. >> compared to ukraine while people are being slaughtered? >> what's the definition of tragedy? >> mr. putin is dialing up african and south american countries because he wants some of their raw materials so he can continue to build his renewables. we can do two things at once. we can protect the planet, protect our earth. climate change is also real. that's why the only approach is not drill, drill, drill. the approach is to be strategic and make sure our european allies stick with us. it's going to get very painful in the next coming days and weeks. that's why i think the president has been correct in making sure that everybody sticks together. >> i think whoever gets credit for it, the alignment of the west has been a really crucial element of this story. >> praise the lord. >> keeping germany together. keeping france on board

john perry once said if we cannot help the many about the millionth, we can't save the few who are rich. that disparity is getting greater and greater and what does that mean for the people have to live with that disparity? they get angry and take to the streets drive around the beltway's though we have to do things the governmental level show that we really can work these things out. when we do that, he will have less anger, less self interest and more of a general interest in the greater, wealth of the community. >> there's no question reforms can be made and the reforms might provide some improvement but i have to tell you from my experience, both on capitol hill and the administration that it is the quality of humans and those jobs that makes the difference. i was in the administration, there is the idea we need to reorganize or move boxes around. moving boxes around didn't do anything. you had the same people who were there as part of the boxes and they didn't do anything, they just move some from the inbox to the outbox. the lesson i learned particularly in the administration and

in fact, in 2004, then democratic presidential candidate, john perry, faced a ton of backlash for whatscribed what he talk thought it would take for americans to feel safe again. quote, we have to get back to the place where you were, where tires are not the focus of our lives, but they're nuisance. as a former law enforcement person, i know we're never going to and prostitution. we're never going to end illegal gambling. but we will reduce, it organized crime to a level where it isn't on the rise. it isn't threatening people's lives every day and fundamentally, it's something that you continue to fight, but it's not threatening the fabric of your life. just a few days later, then president w. bush brought up those remarks at the presidential debate calling them dangerous. >> yes, we can be safe and secure, if we stay on the offense against the terrorists, and if we spread freedom and liberty around the world. my opponent just this weekend talked about how terrorism could be reduced to a nuisance comparing it to prostitution, illegal gambling. i think that attitude and that point of vi

peters knocking out the kentucky's wildcats and handing the hall of fame coach john kally perry. here is the call. kentucky one of six. seven seconds left. >> wow. wheeler gives it up. brooks, the jumper, you can feel the madness! >> that's what they call it march madness. today the mayor of kyiv will be live on msnbc so watch that. right now jose diaz-balart picks up breaking news coverage. >>> good morning, i am jose diaz-balart, happening right now a phone call that could be crucial to ukraine. president biden is speaking with chinese leader xi jinping. this after biden slams putin as a, quote, murderous dictator. we'll talk to congressman adam smith. we'll take you to our reporters live on the ground inside ukraine where there had been more russian attacks on civilians. russian missiles reached the city of lviv where thousands are sheltering. and now in ukraine's capital russia hit a residential complex and elementary school and killing one person and injuring dozens including four children. ♪♪ >>> day 23 of russia war on ukraine. 726 civilians have been killed including 52 c

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. >> tech company se ranking says their chief accountant at john a perri bins is and her 2 children were killed by russian bombs as they were trying to get out of their pen. that's a small city near the capital of kiev. the company sent out a message on facebook saying, quote, her family became the victim of the unprovoked fire on civilians, which under any law is a crime against humanity. the company went on to say it stands with all ukrainians who are fighting for the right to exist and that the russian army needs to be stopped. >> its 9.11, and and still ahead on the kron 4 morning news, an sfpd officers found not guilty of using excessive force during an arrest. will tell you about the case. >> plus, lawmakers in the south bay are pushing a new bill to protect dna of victims of assault. will tell you how. and uc berkeley is trying to make room for incoming students when they have a cap on enrollment will tell you how they're going to figure out to do that, too. when a truck hit my car, the insurance company wasn't fair. i didn't know what my case was worth. so i called the barnes fir

. >> leading off our coverage, nbc nukes correspondent cal perry, in uv ukraine. and return army john spencer and orban where affair expert and chair of the urban warfare studies with the medicine policy forum. cal perry, what is the situation there tonight? >> so lawrence, there were eight cities and there are eight cities that are under siege by russian forces across the country. at the beginning of the day, russian ministry of foreign affair said there would only be a cease-fire in those cities. really, it was only one city, the northern city sumy. that a humanitarian -- 5000 civilians able to make it out of that city but in almost every single of those other cities the bombardment continue. the indiscriminate shelling of civilian areas has continued in -- that city has been completely cut off from the grid. there are bodies in the streets that cannot be moved because people are just unable to get above ground for any period of time because the shelling there is so intense. and so you have a humanitarian crisis that is getting worse by the hour. we heard yesterday from president he

perry talked t u.s. veterans heading to the front lines >> reporter: as millions flee the war in ukraine, there are americans coming in to fight. >> stakes are heavy. >> reporter: johnerved in the military for ten years. for his own security, he asked we keep his identity secret. why is it important you came here? >> we have to defend democracy. you know, this is a fledgling democracy. >> reporter: john said he had a lucrative financial job back in the united states but after watching coverage of the russian invasion two weeks ago, he quit. >> i kind of made my mind up there, you know, if these people want help, i can come over and lend my skills >> reporter: he and some 20,000 others from across the world responding to president zelenskyy's call for foreign volunteers to help fight the war. david briemer from illinois also answered the call. >> these are my wounded. lay down >> reporter: he was a u.s. army combat medic for four years. >> the fact it's going on is a terrible situation. but you know, we're here as long as they're here, and the citizens will go through this, i'll be proud to stand next to them. >> reporter: the u.s. government is strongly discouraging

cal perry and ali velshi, thank you both very much. i'm joined now by retired army major john spencer with the madison policy forum. i have so many questions. i'm going to try to get through them all in this short time. but i want to start with that refugee crisis. this is a complicated situation, but part is this huge outflow of people who are ukrainian and non-ukrainian, who were studying in ukraine out in these neighboring countries. how does that complicate the neighboring country's attitude to what's happening in ukraine and the logistics of what they have to do? >> look, i'm a human, so i want all those civilians in the most protected place as they can be sent to. this war is going to be really bad because of the humanitarian crisis we know is happening and it will get ten times worse. so those refugees are going to need assistance and the neighboring countries are going to have to take those in and it will cause a lot of problems. it's awful, joy. >> yeah. and let's now talk about what's going on inside of ukraine. that map that we put up earlier, it showed a lot of tha

john heilemann. you were in estonia as well, right? >> yes, i was. good to be back, nicole. >> nice to see you, my friend. director brennan, i want to start with you on something cal perry and i want to ask you, i want to ask you a question. it seems that president zelenskyy and every ukrainian official john interviewed a member of ukrainian parliament who said the same thing. i've interviewed ukrainian citizens and government officials, said the same thing. they want america to protect the skies over ukraine. it would appear that everything up to that is still more than what they had when this war began, and i wonder if you think our national security policy objective is to protect the skies over ukraine without stepping foot in ukraine. is that the aim of these massive lists of weapons systems that, unless you're a defense contractor, i'm not sure you even know what all these things are. >> i think that's exactly the aim, nicole. i think the biden administration is trying to make the air space over ukraine exceptionally dangerous for russian aircraft to operate in. by providing these advanced anti-aircraft systems, stingers, other types of both manned portable weapons

perry has the story. >> as millions flee the war in ukraine -- there are americans coming in to fight. >> the stakes are very heavy. >> johne military for ten years. for his own security, he asked that we keep his identity as secret. >> so, why? why is it so important you came here? >> we have to defend democracy. this is a fledgling democracy, it's tragic. >> john says he had a lucrative financial job back in the united states. after watching coverage of the invasion two weeks, ago he quit. >> i kind of made my mind up there. a, if these people want help i can come over and lead my skills. >> he and some 20,000 others from around the world responded to president zelenskyy's call for foreign volunteers to help fight the war. david primer from illinois also answered the call. >> these are my, wounded lay down. >> he was a combat veteran for five years. >> the fact this is going. on a terrible situation. where here. and as long as they're here, the citizens are going through this, all be proud to stand next to them. >> the u.s. government strongly discouraging civilians from going to ukraine to fight. >> we still do not beli

perry, you've been doing great reporting there. thank you for joining us in the last second. please stay safe there. we appreciate it. i'm joined once again by johnis week. he served as senior director for nonproliferation and arms control at the national security council. and he's currently a special adviser to global zero, and international movement for the elimination of all nuclear weapons, and he joins me now. john, you and other nuclear experts, and watching life, we'll time responses to this about how freak-out should we be? what do we know about how dangerous is? how should we think about this? >> so, when i just tweeted out when i heard about this story was that we need to take a deep breath. i know there is an instinct to jump to, is this chernobyl how much endanger are we, but we do know a little bit there are live fields from the reactor that are actually showing the radiation levels in the area. they're not increasing. the video appears to have fire inside one of the buildings. which we can see is that the containment building itself remains attached, and it's important to know that this is a totally different design and the reactors

perry just talked about, the pentagon says that that attack did not actually get any of the weapons that are being funneled into ukraine right now coming from nato countries. pentagon press secretary johnby spoke about this afternoon during his press conference and said that weapons are continuing to go forth from different sides. so, it's been this horrific story of an aerial bombardment that's been inflicted on the civilian population while not doing as much damage to the ukrainian military as anybody expected. >> yeah, that seems to be the continuing top line story, here. obviously, royal operating in a fog of war, but it seems like the stalling of military advancements, or very slow progress with what appears to be indiscriminate shelling of heavily populated civilian areas. big apartment buildings, target such as that hospital, i want to play a little bit of what john kirby had to say just about this -- the fact that we're not seeing these forces push forward, take a listen. >> we are gonna be careful here at the pentagon in terms of providing a assessment and putting a name on it. but i would tell you is that the ukrainians continue to fight back very bravely and skillfully. if y