matthew shoemaker. and captain robert wells. and miranda divine.nist. >> and captain, if i could come to you first. is kyiv go ing to fall here? is it inevitable? >> i don't see it as inevitable as long as president zelenskyy continues to lead, i don't think he will leave kyiv. i think that russians in terms of their tactics come from west of the river. and from the west, they continue to achieve encircle ment, that will be the outcome it is a siege, it will be protracted and we will have guerrilla warfare and continued bloodshed. >> matthew, what is the potential problem there for putin. if this drags on. if this is a pro -- pro tracked war of insurgency, does that diminish his authority enough we could see a change in russia? >> that is the risk is gambling. he -- longer that this goes on, the more likely it is that things go out of mr. putin's control, and that certainly something that he does not top gamble with. the thing i'm interested in, how the way that kyiv is encircled right now, most of the russian forces on three main highways, they ar

let's bring back our panel, judy miller and matthew shoemaker. as well as the ukrainians. are you making predictions about how and when this ends? >> that's always going to be tough. in the fog of war there are so many different variables and different ways this can go. but what i will say, i think judy was 100% correct about this earlier. i don't think there is going to be a julius ceasar moment of anyone close to putin taking him out. and i don't think there will and ground swell of the russian population to overthrow him. he doesn't rule about it con sefnt governed. he rules by the consent of the military and the oligarchs. if reports are correct, the military in general, morale is rock bottom. so i'm going to be looking to see what kinds of reporting we get from them. jon: judy, in the meantime there is a bit of nuclear blackmail going on. vladimir putin simply has to mention the fact that he has nuclear weapons and everybody in the west, nato and the united states, seem to get nervous and say, we are going to take it easy, we don't want vlad

the former da intelligence officer matthew shoemaker. and contributor dr. marc siegel. are much for joining us this evening. i want to get started on what w can expect next in ukraine from here. let's first go to the top republican on the house foreign affairs committee, so michael m accallum what he had to say the seeping on special report. >> we should be very clear eyed to mr. pretend that nothing is off the table, that nothing should be to put up for proctor there for the nice if america think too often as president he said too many times what he is not going to do and not what he wants to do. what he should do as a nation. if he crosses that line i believe that is a red line. >> so to you first, with all this discussion about whether vladimir putin is going to use chemical weapons and ukraine, first, do you think he's going to and secondly, what should th biden administration do as a response or even before that becomes a reality. >> thanks for having me on. i think that when it comes down to it, the use of chemical weapons is within russian doctrine, within russia

thank you so much matthew shoemaker for coming on, we appreciate it. >> trace thank you for having metrace: keeping a close eye as you imagine on the situation in ukraine. we can tell you right now we have confirmed through officials that the fire at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant was largely attacked by russian forces, the fire is out. there is no radiation level increase. that is the good news. the bad news is, the attack a lot of analysts believe was intentional. i had a stark warning about just how dire the situation could become next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> trace: continuing coverage now breaking news of russian troops targeting nuclear plants, the present of ukraine calling on europe to wake up. joined now by dan hoffman fox news contributor and former cia station chief who served in moscow. are you surprised in the land of chernobyl that another nuclear power plant is now playing a role in this war? >> no, i'm not surprised, and honestly this is part of russia's rules of engagement. they don't discriminate among their targets. they are deliberately targeting residential neighborhoods

we go now to matthew shoemaker, former intelligence officer with the defense and defense intelligence agency. matt , thank you for taking time. what do we know about ukraine's intelligence sources and are they truly as deep as the kremlin group? thanks for having me on . well, there are certainly plenty of evidence that ukraine has a number of helpful sources in russian intelligence services over the past weekend in particular russia, ukraine arrested a twenty five man assassin team in western ukraine after an alleged tip off from someone in the fsb. now when i was with the dea, i worked with ukrainian intelligence on a number of occasions. they are a capable professional organization and have made some incredible strides in 20 14 . i will add though that the ukrainian intelligence chief may also be playing off of the strong russian sense of paranoia and fear of being betrayed. so instead of conducting intelligence operations against ukraine, they're going to be preoccupied now looking for moles in their own organization so that connect the dots for us how that actually impacts the si

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let's go via skype to matthew shoemaker. in terms of getting syrian fighters to back up the russian army here? >> that's a great question. thank you for having me on. it's a complex one and a little bit baffling. russians are already having a difficult enough time with supplies and logistics. bringing in extra fighters from a foreign country will simply add to the logistical problems. but the syrians themselves for the past 10 years at least since the arab spring and the civil war they have been fighting, they are much more equipped to deal with urban warfare. i think moscow and the kremlin are hoping to give themselves an extra evening that way. but it knowledge be their version, the kremlin's answer if you will to ukraine's foreign legion. they are not marketing it the same way. but it could be one possible example of that. >> the ukrainians say they have got tens of thousands of foreigners offering to come help them. russia look together chechens for support? a lot much chechen fighters have come in. and they are staging