rachel: tied for second is all time with dale earnhardt jr.cks on the circuit. you've got this big drafting pass, it's so easy to get in a big wreck, and that's one of the reasons we have so many people come here every year. it's a little bit of a chess match, you have to make all the right moves to get through the big pack of cars. will: you've done it six times, clearly made the right moves. rachel: i'm going to is you what i ask all the drivers, do you get scared? >> oh, absolutely. i've had cars flip over the top of me, and you go, wow -- [laughter] that was really close. and i'm very thankful for the team that we have that prepares the car. i kind of put that in the back of my head and say, all right, gotta move on. pete: is it just that much faster at talladega because it's that much bigger? >> yeah. this is the biggest track we have in the nascar circuit. 2.6 miles. a lot of bank, which helps cars as you guys saw earlier, get around the corner faster. gives us a big, steep boost. will: i want to ask you, brad, what we were talking about