. >>> joining me now is david sanger, author of the book "the perfect weapon on i ". ome great new reporting in the "new york times" about the growing fears from both american and european officials that the war in ukraine will essentially spill over into other countries and create this wider war. how realistic are those fears? >> i think that david they probably look a little more realistic than they did, say, three days ago. think about just what we've seen happen in the past 72 hours. the russians have cut off gas, at least temporarily, to poland and to bulgaria, two early members of nato. or i should say early after the collapse of the soviet union. they joined in 1994. that is a warning shot to germany that they could do the same. we've seen some explosions of mysterious origin in moldova, a nonnato country, that is tucked away right next to ukraine and which many people thought would be next. we've seen the ukrainians attack over the border from ukraine to hit some fuel depots and weapons depots in russia. so that has been a concern. we're reporting this morning

cnn political analyst david sanger joins me now.e idea of taking away title 42, which you've got to say means is no longer a public health emergency that merits that. on the other hand, you've got the idea of appealing a decision to roll back that mask mandate that's happening in public transportation. how do you reconcile the two? can you? >> you really can't, laura. thanks for having me on. so, what we learned is that the president, of course, set a date a while ago, may 23rd, to lift the title 42 elements of this. now, what that means is -- this is a health mandate, as you indicated, not an immigration mandate. so, under title 42, if you came over the land border from mexico or from canada, you would not be allowed to go through the usual asylum process. you would be turned back right away. this is a technique that was adopted by the trump administration, at first rejected by the courts you may recall before covid as just another way to try to limit immigration. and then during covid, it was allowed. so, the big question was, wha

. -- david sanger from new york times. please stand, make sure to speak into the microphone. thank you. >> for those of us here in person, please stand, make sure to speak into the microphone. thank you. national security and director of the council of digital and cyberspace policy program. i'm going to take a brief moment to welcome you all to today's events. it is exciting this is the first symposium in person. i'm not there to enjoy it with you. this is the eighth cyber symposium we have had. the last three, have focused on geopolitical competition. we've also covered online content moderation, deepfakes, and privacy in international trade. i hope all of you will take part in consider subscribing to some of the other products from the digital policy program. you can take out -- check out the cyber operations tracker, the running track of known space based. we are adding to those given what's happening in the world these days. also subscribe to that politics, the blog of the digital cyber state program. i do want to thank everyone who has been involved in the program and wo

he sat down with david sanger from the new york times. >> for those of us here in person, remind mobile devices, if you're called on, please stand and the microphone for your questions, thanks. >> good morning. i am adam segal, the chair in emerging technologies of the national security and director of the council, digital and cyber policy program. i'm just going to take a brief moment to welcome you all to today's event and give it an extremely exciting that this is the first d.c. symposium in person although not there to enjoy it with you, but this is the 8th cyber symposium that we're had. the last three not surprisingly has focused on great powers and geocompetition in cyber and on-line content moderation, deep fakes, internet governments and privacy and international trade. i hope all of you will take part and consider subscribing to some of the other products from the digital and cyber states programs. you'll check out the cyber operations tracker, which is the running track of known faith-based attacks and unfortunately, of course, we're adding to those at quite a pitch, given wh

he sat down with david sanger from the new york times. >> please stand. thank you. >> i'm the ira chair in national security. i'm just going to take a brief moment to welcome you all to today's event. it's extremely exciting this is the first dc symposium in person although i am obviously not there to enjoy it with you but this is the eighth cyber symposium that we had. the last three not surprisingly have focused on great powers and geopolitical competition insider but in the past we've also covered online content moderation, the face, internet governance and privacy and international trade. i hope all of you will take part and consider subscribing to some of the other products from the digital and cyberspace policy program. check out the cyber operations tracker which is the writing track of known state-based attacks and unfortunately of course we were adding to those quite a pitch given what's happening in the world. these days. but also subscribe to net politics, the blog of the digital cyber policy program as well as our newsletter. i do want to than

laura barron-lopez, white house correspondent for politico and david sanger white house and nationalecurity correspondent for "the new york times." thank you all for being here, dan, how significant is the news out of mariupol this week given the overall direction of the war? dan: well, i think it's very significant. for a variety of reasons but primarily because it does indicate in a sense the desperation -- of the ukrainian military, which has fought from the beginning of this war and the crushing reality of a russian army which has not performed wellut nonetheless continues to put the squeeze on the you koranians and what they have done in mariupol and the destruction of that city is symbolic of what this war has looked like and where it may be heading. it's moving into a phase that could be more favorable to the russian army simply because of the terrain and the resources they have and the fact that the ukrainian military will be farther from its supply lines. it comes at a very difficult time and the atrocities we've seen that you noted in theop of this program continue to be wr

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as you heard of, i'm david sanger the white house and national security correspondent for "the new york times" and i write frequently on cyber issues. this is the keynote session for the council cyber security symposium. what we are going to do is i'm going to talk with of the director for 20 minutes or so. i guess 30 minutes or so and then we will go to questions both for those who are joining us virtually and those here in the room. a reminder to everyone that this is on the record. words that ring like music to a reporter's ears. but not necessarily to every government official. so chris is all the more to thank for doing it that way and agreeing to do it as such. before you start with what is most on our mind right now which is conflict with russia over ukraine, i'm interested in both your and analysis of what we've seen happen over the last eight weeks and then your concerns about what we may see going forward. we entered this figuring that any modern conflict would start with a major cyber attack at the beginning that undersea cables would be cut or the power grids would be fried

david sanger, we have to leave it there. thanks as always for your expertise. >> great to be with you. >>> coming up later this morning our own jake tapper has sat down with ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy, and that interview will be on "state of the union" live from lviv at 9:00 a.m. eastern time right here on cnn. >>> all right, still to come, police in pittsburgh are searching for the gunman behind an overnight shooting that left two children dead. we'll have the latest on the investigation. >>> plus, north korea sends a message calling the launch of a new type of guided tactical weapon a success. the growing concerns over the country's nuclear capabilities. and next, for the first time since the pandemic thousands packing st. peters square for easter sunday mass. how the war in ukraine has impacted pope francis' message. new dove hair therapy shampoo & conditioner wiwith ceramide & peptide. it nourishes at a a cellular level to rescue damaged hair. discover 10 x stronger hair with new dove hair therapy rescue and

helene cooper, you're colleague at "the new york times" david sanger noted the shift and wrote this. quote, the immediate impetuous for mr. austen's declaration, several administration officials said was to set up president volodymyr zelenskyy of ukraine with what one senior state department official called the strongest possible hand for what they expect will be some kind of cease-fire negotiation in the coming months. but over the long-term, mr. austin's description of america's strategic goal is bound to reinforce president vladimir putin's off-stated belief that the war is really about the west's desire to choke off russian power and destabilize his government. and by casting the american goal as a weakened russia military, mr. austen and others in the biden administration are becoming nor explicit about the future they see. years of continuous contest for power and influence with moscow that in some ways resembled what john f. kennedy termed the long twilight struggle of the cold war. right now we have an ambassador going back to ukraine. we have the foreign minister of ukraine

joining me for more on all of this, cnn political and national security analyst, david sanger, correspondent with the "new york times." and then retired major army general spider marks. general, i want to start with you where we started at the top. this acting commander of russian forces saying on russian state tv that the goal in this next phase is not only to control the donbas region but also to have full control over southern ukraine. what would your understanding be of full control there? how far off are they from that? >> well, what we're seeing in mariupol in the donbas and in mariupol is the first step of several steps. mariupol from a military perspective, mariupol is essential. the russians need to control that in the way that they're trying to control it is through annihilation. they don't care if they turn that into a wasteland. in fact, that's their objective. and once they own that, that becomes a secure plank. now they can turn south and west toward kherson, north of crimea, and then in the direction of the nipa river and possibly crossing into odesa. that would be an addition

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. >>> joining us for more on this is cnn political and national security analyst david sanger. he's a correspondent with "the new york times" and also with us, former nato supreme allied commander europe, retired general philip breedlove. we played a key moment from the defense secretary. matt rivers was pointing to it. while in ukraine saying that the united states wants to not only help ukraine but also wants to see russia weakened to the point where it can't do this again essentially. when you hear that from the secretary of defense, what does that tell you, general? >> well, thanks for having me on this morning, and they are welcome words to me. i think we're seeing a bit of a policy shift in that not only are we starting to use the word "when" and that we want the ukrainians to win, but now we see usefulness or see a need for ukraine to diminish the russian capabilities. and so while those are good words and we're beginning to push back now a little bit against mr. putin, now the onus is on us to make sure that we're giving them the right tools at the right speed and at th

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house correspondent cecilia vega, "new york times" white house and national security correspondent david sangere to all of you, and, chris, i'm going to start with you. that was clearly the big story of the week, "the new york times," the leaked audio. mccarthy talking about the prospects donald trump would be impeached after january 6th. let's listen. >> we know it'll pass the house. i think there's a chance it'll pass the senate even though he's gone. the only discussion i would have with him is that i think this pass, and it would be my recomm recommendation you should resign. >> he's adamantly denying saying that and is kind of parsing words. >> i can't ever get out of being the former prosecutor, so i listened to the tape instead of listening to the coverage, and it seemed to me that what happened was he gets on, asked about the 25th amendment. he starts going through and gives his prognostication if the senate is going to convict him, then i would tell him to resign. well, i think that's pretty smart advice. if the senate was going to have the votes to convict him, he should resign rather

. >> brian: that was according to david sanger the "new york times" talking to people. >> steve: one of the incorporate things lloyd austin our 70s secretary said when he was over there yesterday. and they announced another boott load of stuff for the ukrainians. they wanted to make sure that the material that the united states is falling does not fall into enemy hands which, when you think about that that almost suggests rather than giving them them third generation stuff. they might be getting some of the first generation stuff that we are currently, we are deploying around the world. our secret stuff. and we don't want the ruchings to get a copy of it and reverse engineering it. >> no we certainly hope our own military understands that first generation brand new stuff probably getting better stuff our marine corps has. i will tell you that as a marine. there have been reports of russians in donbas with our weapons in hand. that's question that needs to be asked. no matter what we send, can it get to the place it needs to be and the hands it needs to be in there is not enough infor