we are talking with deacon mike yorsio. let's talk about this. you are not a deacon from the third century a.d. >> not at all. >> you are a deacon from the 20th century. and you are ordained as a minister of the archdiocese of san francisco. as i said in the opening, your vocation, your office is a new one, founded about 50 years ago. what happened there? >> in 1968 after vatican ii, the church was looking for ways to involve the layty more in the involvement of the church. part of that was expanding the office or order of the diaconate. so the diaconate is kind of a bridge between clergy and layouty. and the idea that we bring those people to the church. we are almost like an outreach. one of the formation directors said we should be preaching to the people in the back pew because those are the ones bringing into church, the ones that don't quite feel they belong, bring them into the church. bring them into a more full participation in liturgy, service, charity, whatever you want to call it. >> i knew that the last step for a young man on the wa