ms. hale, please go ahead. >> we will take a virtual question from adam. >> hello, everybody. thank you very much for the panel. sorry i couldn't be there in person. i think this question is for max although the others in question my assumption. there's a debate about whether defense board and persistent engagement as glcm is over but people basically believing it is not. i wonder if there's a different perception of that amongre the nato allies you spoke of and if there is within neighbor differences on that? >> that's a good question. i think it's actually a discussion, on going to avoid the question. the question is more or less oscillatory, the question is much more i feel a legal one picture the military be allowed to operatete in peacetime, potentially do this globally? what is the relationship with intelligence? it's that question particular that is holding many particularly cut middle european countries back in developing a similar posture. so it's less of an escalation question and more of a legal bureaucratic question that is constantly raised right now. >> i work fo

ms. hale please go ahead. we will take a virtual question from adam siegel. >> hello everybody. thank you very much for doing the panel sorry i could not be there with you in person but i think this question is for max the others can question my assumption. so max seems in the u.s. the debate about whether defense for and it is a school tour is over people basically believing it is not. so i want there's a different perception of that among the nato allies you spoke of and if there is within nato different versions of that view. >> that is a good question. i think it is actually the discussion is more is that more or less escalatory but the question is much more a legal one. should the military be allowed to operate in peacetime potentially do this globally, what is the relationship with intelligence? it is that question in particular that is holding many continental european countries back in developing a similar posture. it is less of in the lesko he lesko attempt more babe your credit question right now. [inaudible] >> thank you. i work for the nuclear southern initiative but