on another front the january 6 select committee is reportedly interviewing pat cipollone who was oned back against the efforts to overturn the 2020 election

melissa, this interview between former white house counsel pat cipollone and his deputy, and the january six committee was not under oath. and trump gave his blessing. given that, why should we trust what they said? shouldn't the committee have just subpoenaed them? >> well, i think the committee could have subpoenaed them. but they seem to be willing to talk. and again, mr. cipollone and mr. -- we're always pushing back according to their accounts on the presidents most outlandish views on how the election might be taken back from the democrats. so they have always sort of presented themselves as the voice of reason in the oval office during these tumultuous times. whether or not the committee could've subpoenaed them, the fact that they did so voluntarily gives a crematoria of legitimacy to their testimony at this point. but the testimony is really preliminary at this point. it was not taken under oath. it is likely that they will be brought back in for interviews, and even depositions. this was not even transcribed. so it seemed to be more exploratory, than anything else. the idea tha

authorized his white house counsel, pat cipollone, to speak with the committee.ld he do that given that he is fighting everyone else appearing before the committee? the times says this man was not under oath when they testify, today and there is a possibility of future meetings between them and future investigators. the fact remains, they did reportedly meet with the investigation today. these are two top white house lawyers. that in itself is news because, i mean, they agreed to do it. since the january six investigation started, we have seen one trump official after another say they cannot talk to the investigators, setting some variation of privilege, right? citing executive privilege or attorney client privilege. trump officials say they cannot talk to the investigators because they have worked in the white house, or because they were lawyers who worked on trump's legal team. now we have the white houses two top lawyers talking with investigators, and according to these new reports from a few minutes ago, trump authorized them to do it. so again, both these s

today had interviewed former white house counsel pat cipollone. one of the guys who stood up and defended trump on his first impeachment. he is one of the latest high-profile former trump allies to testify. according to the senate's report on the attempted coup, he was one of the aides who told trump they were being masked -- if trump tried to interfere with the department of justice to get it to investigate his fake claims of fraud. luke broadwater covers congress in the new york times. he joins me now. luke, there is the call, and there is the context. the context is bonkers. let's just talk about the call because here is my found so striking about it. there is this question about what happened on that day. how thought it was it? how planned was it? how spontaneous was it? we have testimony, i have even had people on this show who are organizers at the ellipse rally who told me on this program there was a debate about whether people should march to the capitol, and they argued they shouldn't because it would not be safe, they could not secure th

former white house counsel pat cipollone nir and cipollone deputy is going to testify before the january 6th commission. that is behind closed doors but with players that close giving testimony sometimes that shakes loose news. i'll see you here tomorrow night. "way too early with jonathan lemire" is up next. ♪♪ >>> we're sick and tired of reading headlines about crime, whether they're mass shootings or the loss of a teenage girl or a 13-year-old. it has to stop. i'm committing the full resources of our state to fight the surge of crime. this insanity that is seizing our city because we want to get back to normal. >> new york's governor vows to crack down on crime. as police search for the person who opened fire on a packed subway train during the morning rush. there's a person of interest in that mass shooting. but so far, no arrests. we'll have the latest on the manhunt and the condition of all of those injured in the attack. >>> plus, president biden calls out vladimir putin's genocide in ukraine. he had already pegged the russian leader as a war criminal. as the kremlin inflicts yet

committee investigating the january 6th capitol riot has interviewed former white house counsel pat cipollone his deputy patrick philman according to "the new york times" the two were interviewed separately it's not clear what information they might have provided to the committee. the interviews were not conducted under oath although more formal sessions might happen in the future this comes as the biden white house authorized the national archives to release additional trump era documents to the committee. >>> a group of undocumented migrants from texas arrives in washington, d.c. the group was sent on a bus by texas governor greg abbott as part of his strategy to oppose the biden administration's rescinding of a trump era border policy local charities setup up an impromptu processing center to help with the food and further transportation >>> cuba gooding jr. has pleaded guilty to one misdemeanor count of forcibly touching a woman back in 2018 the oscar winning actor had faced a trial of unwanted touching of three women at nightclubs under the employee he'll not face charges >>> one country

on another front the january 6 select committee is reportedly interviewing pat cipollone who was one of the few people in the trump white house that pushed back against the efforts to overturn the 2020 election defeat. just the last couple of hours, nypd arrested the suspect in which ten people were shot? new york city governor adams saying we got him. the video from the partners at wnbc shows the moment the suspect entered the subway on tuesday morning before the attack. let's bring in msnbc senior international correspondent in brooklyn, new york. this is an unbelievable story and a quick arrest of the suspect today. >> reporter: yeah. it is put there was nowhere left for him to run. a lot of what made the police go from calling him a person of interest was found in the subway beneath my feet including the glock. he bought it in ohio in 2011. when you look at the charging documents today there' a picture. you can see the serial numbers and looks like he was trying to obliterate them and not skefrlly and had hundreds of police officers going across cameras across the city and video

for in tomorrow's news, politico.com just hearted that donald trump former white house counsel pat cipollone and cipollone deputy is going to testify before the january 6th commission. that is behind closed doors but with players that close giving testimony sometimes that shakes loose news. i'll see you here tomorrow night. "way too early with jonathan lemire" is up next. ♪♪ >>> we're sick and tired of reading headlines about crime, whether they're mass shootings or the loss of a teenage girl or a 13-year-old. it has to stop. i'm committing the full resources of our state to fight the surge of crime. this insanity that is seizing our city because we want to get back to normal. >> new york's governor vows to crack down on crime. as police search for the person who opened fire on a packed subway train during the morning rush. there's a person of interest in that mass shooting. but so far, no arrests. we'll have the latest on the manhunt and the condition of all of those injured

out of their meeting yesterday, but what is important about these two lawyers as you mentioned, pat cipolloneagainst former vice president mike pence. at the time trump was trying to get pensce to not certify the 2020 election and they were against that. these are some of the high profile people the committee has spoken to. we know the committee has spoken to trump's daughter, ivanka trum, and separately her husband jared. this is on top of the committee having heard from over 860 witnesses, we're told, christine. keep us protesting. >>> the fatal police shooting of patrick lyoya. he was shot in the head last week by an officer following a traffic stop. >> what do we want? >> justice. >> when do we want it? >> now. >> reporter: multiple protests spilling out into the streets after this incident was released. the officer is on leave. >> reporter: a struggle, a gunshot, a black man dead on the streets of grand rapids, michigan. a police officer now under investigation for shooting 26-year-old patrick lyoya in the head. frustrated community demanding answers. >> stay in the car. >> reporter: on

to "the times," the committee held separate meetings wednesday with former white house counsell pat cipollonefter trump approved it. no word on how much information the pair provided, but "the times" says the two were present for key moments leading up to the january 6th assault on the capitol including, quote, pivotal conversations and meetings in from which mr. trump discussed using the powers of his office to try and overturn the election. the two were not under oath and their interviews were not transcribed. >>> coming up, video from laredo, texas, where trucks are backed up for hours trying to cross the texas u.s. border. >> can't do it because of governor abbott. >> we'll look into that and talk to the reporter who's been covering the story. >>> we are also going to read the "wall street journal" editorial talking about how greg abbott is making prices jacked up and damaging the supply chain by this cheap political stunt. do you have a life insurance policy you no longer need? now you can sell your policy - even a term policy - for an immediate cash payment. we thought we had planned ca

pat cipollone and his deputy patrick filament. they met with the committee. they did not testify under oath. and here is the interesting tidbit, the new york times is reporting tonight, trump authorized them to engage with the panel, according to a person familiar with the matter. a person who might be donald trump. one of the people on trial in washington this week for his part in the insurrection at the capitol is asking the jury to find him not guilty because donald trump made him do it. 38-year-old dustin thompson drove with a friend from columbus ohio, took an uber into washington d. c. on the morning of january 6th, and before long he was in the parliamentarians office where he decided to steal a co-track. he is charged with six counts of obstructing congress joint session to certify the electoral college vote. theft of government property. entering or remaining in a restricted building or grounds. disorderly or disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds. disorderly or disruptive conduct and a capitol building. and parading demonstrating or

interestingly, perhaps bizarrely that trump himself authorized this, authorized his white house council pat cipollonetrick philbin to speak with the committee and why would doe that? the times said these men were not under oath when they testified and a future of future meetings between them and the investigators. but the fact remains they did reportedly meet with the investigation today, these are two top white house lawyers, and that in itself is news, because i mean they agreed to do it, since the january 6th verse started, we've seen -- investigation started, we've seen one trump official after another saying they can't talk to the investigators citing some various of privilege, right, citing executive privilege or attorney-client privilege. trump officials say they can't talk to the investigators because they worked in the white house or because they were lawyers who worked on trump's legal team. well, now we've got the white house's two top lawyers talking with investigators, and a few minutes ago, trump authorized them to do it. so again, both of these stories are breaking within the last hour

just yesterday we learned that two top lawyers for the trump white house pat cipollone who was whiteuty had spoke with the investigators from the january 6th investigation. according to reporting from the new york times donald trump apparently believes he authorized [laughs] these white house lawyers speak to the panel. no one knows what that would mean. apparently that's what the times report reported, authorized. it we learned the at another trump white house official has spoke with the january six investigation his name is stephen miller, for trump's former senior adviser, he met with investigators today for about eight hours one source familiar with the testimony tells cnn that mr. mueller was at times a difficult witness saying that things got quote, a little chippy. it got a little chippy the source said. the source added that stephen miller tried to make claims of executive privilege from the witness chair, which is probably something that's not going to fly in the long run. mr. miller was subpoenaed by the committee back in november for his records of testimony last month he

just yesterday we learned that two top lawyers for the trump white house pat cipollone who was whitepatrick philbin his deputy had spoke with the investigators from the january 6th investigation. according to reporting from the new york times donald trump apparently believes he authorized [laughs] these white house lawyers speak to the panel. no one knows what that would -- well now, this flagship of the russian black sea fleet has apparently been sunk. the ukrainian government is claiming that the ships sunk after was hit by ukrainian made neptune anti ship missile. the russian version of the story is that this is and why the ships sunk, it's sunk due to a fire. due to, quote, hold that mitch received ring of fire, from the detonation of ammunition. the united states has reportedly not confirmed either version of events. but it's already had a practical event on the state of playing in the black sea. one senior defense official told reporters that about half a dozen russian ships in the black sea move themselves farther out to sea, farther off the ukrainian coast after the moscow wa

. >>> just yesterday, we learned that two top lawyers from the trump white house, pat cipollone, thehite house counsel, and patrick philbin, his deputy, have spoken to investigators from the january 6th committee. according to reporting from "the new york times," donald trump apparently believes he authorized the white house lawyers to speak to the panel. although nobody knows what that would mean. apparently that's what was reported, he authorized it. today, we learned that yet another trump white house official has spoke within january 6th investigation. his name is stephen miller. trump's former senior adviser. he met virtually with investigators today. for about eight hours. one source familiar with the testimony tells cnn that mr. miller was at times a difficult witness, saying that things got quote a little chippy, it got a little chippy, the source said. and the source added that stephen miller tried to make claims of executive privilege from the witness chair, which is probably something that is not going to fly in the long run. mr. miller was subpoenaed by the committee back

two of them facing a grilling by the january 6 committee, trump's white house council pat cipollone saw the signs of extreme and possibly unconstitutional moves and tried to stop some of them. you may recall bill barr shut down trump's last ditch voter fraud claims as baseless, as basically lies. cipollony had to push back on a plot to over ruhle or outmaneuver barr bay naming a new special prescription, back lies about voter fraud and that might fit into all of the january 6 shenanigans. there is evidence he threatened to resign, a pattern that his predecessor used to try to thwart other illegal plans by donald trump and if that wins a bill it is because bob mueller uncovered that feature during his investigation. that was the prior white house council, don mcgahn who became a star witness. so gathering evidence and this continues, an important accountability process that is going however slowly alongside the doj's criminal investigation and prosecutions. and those started slowly, too as we've reported. but they may also be intensifying. that is why with a lot of stories you have to se

"the new york times" citing a person familiar with the report, reports that pat cipollone the formerte house counsel and his deputy patrick philbin met separately with the panel after trump gave his approval. it is not clear how much information they provided to the investigators. but according to the "times" they were present for key moments in the buildup to the storming of the capitol on january 6th, 2021 including pivotal conversations and meetings in which trump discussed using the powers of his office to try to overturn the election. the two were reportedly not under oath and their interviews were not transcribed but it is possible that lawyers could return for a formal interview or depositions later on. >>> still ahead, a controversial decision to pull a pitcher is the talk of the baseball world tonight and a big night in the bronx for a young star. this player did something his father never did. next in sports. d something his father never did next in sports our moderate to se crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms are stopping you in your tracks choose stelara® from

pat cipollone used the term murder/suicide pact to describe a project mulling in that meeting.on he know that is the select commit tee will be really interested in. the fact that he is talking without a question signals to other people who might have been involved in the same conversations that he was in perhaps to behoove them to have the sides of the story be part of the record. >> neal, i don't often feel the need to invoke normalcy because nothing about the trump years was normal but as a level set it is not normal for a white house counsel to sort of open up the books and throw open the doors but i'm also a student of history and cipollone is not the first one to do so. don mcgahn was the primary narrator of the second volume, the crimes committed by donald trump. that were documented and detailed in that report. i think six of them is don mcgahn as a key witness. this is the second white house counsel who's gone out of a spirit of confession, a spirit of inside knowledge, out of a spirit of knowing that crimes were committed. talk about another white house counsel opening

pat cipiloni and patrick philbin were to sit for interviews. they are key witnesses. cipollone was pushing back about overturning the election results on january 6th. he also appeared to be mentioned in a january 5th text message from fox news host sean hannity to then white house chief of staff mark meadows. hannity suggested the white house council could leave. we're talking about members of trump's inner most circle. and former white house senior adviser stephen miller is expected to appear before the committee this week as well. miller has previously sued to block a subpoena from the committee for his phone records. the committee has wanted to talk to him saying he spread misinformation around the presidential election and push officials to change the results. the committee has now conducted more than 860 depositions or interviews and will continue hearing from witnesses on a daily basis with a dozen more interviews expected to take place in the next few weeks. paula reid, cnn, washington. >>> news just coming in to us here. another bus of migrants from texas has arrived in