. >> the biggest difference for me is to see mat inia when he said we are free, matiba. >> what was the first thing you remember about nelson mandela? >> he was just like because people had not seen a black man who was an attorney. >> we were not allowed. >> nothing, nursing, teacher, policeman for a black man, that's all. so, it was a wonder, even for old matiba. >> trevor: for young people, it's very hard for them to understand how scary it was to be a black person living in south africa during that time, but everybody was scared of the police. >> flying squads! each and every street is a flying squad. a knock at 3:00 a.m., the police-- we used to call them "blackjacks." just like that. >> trevor: "dress up, let's go." >> yeah. >> and they were so tall, all of them. >> trevor: when you see white guys like this, do they remind you of those police? >> yeah. >> trevor: that's what's-- what you remind my grandmother of. i hope you're happy, bringing memories of flying squad into my house. there are some people who say now, because some people don't have jobs and because it's tough in sout