he said at one point, martin van buren, who was his vice presidential successor, he said the bank wants to kill me, i will kill the bank. so you can see the rhetoric was pretty raw back then. >> and the idea behind this was, unlike today where we've kind of forgotten that is not, you know, the poor people who are the takers -- in the day those days, men like jackson, it was the wealthy and the powerful who were going to erode the foundations of democracy by taking from the lower classes or the concentration of wealth and power in an institution like the second act in the united states was a threat to democracy. >> very much so. >> kind of forgotten that. >> and that really, that continues until the late 19th, the 20th century when you have to have a monopoly over the anti-trust movement which is both parties. the democrats are probably strongest in that because they're not really the big presidents party. which is a fear that a lot of americans have, that the government will be used to help private interests, and we still think that today. when there's debates happening in congress, at