let me show you the hand-written note that donohue took, that he wrote, on the day of the call. just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the r. congressman. there you have it. multiple sources tonight are telling our kaitlan collins that trump allies acknowledged that testimony today was damaging and bleak and important to note people in trump's orbit downplayed other hearings so far so today, seeing it differently. part of the reason is the witnesses today clearly detailed how trump tried to pressure the justice department to help him hold on to power and again, hear the crucial thing, even after he had been told again and again and again that there was nothing to the crazy allegations of fraud, that he kept specifically bringing to the acting and acting deputy attorney general. according to donohue's notes, trump was literally clinging on to any conspiracy theory out there. >> he told mr. donohue in that december 27th call, quote, you guys may not be following the internet the way i do. >> we're also learning many of the republicans pushing these con

ok, professor johnj donohue _ the gun lobby. ok, professor johnj donohue the _ the gun lobby.he third, - the gun lobby. ok, professor. johnj donohue the third, thank you for your time. the bodies of some ukrainian fighters killed defending the key south—eastern port of mariupol have now arrived in kyiv. the soldiers' families say this was part of a swap with russia. more than 50 are the bodies of members of the azov regiment, who died defending the azovstal steelworks. in the city of mariupol, there has also been warning of a possible outbreak of cholera. many bodies are still believed buried under the rubble, and sewage reportedly contaminates the water supply. intense fighting is continuing in eastern ukraine, with reports of civilians killed in strikes on kharkiv, and other areas of the donbas. and the distribution of food from ukraine to the rest of the world continues to be a problem. russian foreign minister, sergei lavrov, has arrived in turkey for talks aimed at unblocking the export of grain, and other agricultural products. russia has been accused of weaponising food

rosen forwarded that email to donohue and donohue responded with two words, quote, pure insanity. another important topic we will hear from richard donohue about, he was on a call with donald trump, don through took handwritten notes of that call. he wrote that donald trump said, quote, just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the r, meaning r congressmen. just say the election is corrupt is such an important passage. we also will hear from stephen engel, he received pressure from the white house to file a ridiculous baseless lawsuit right in the u.s. supreme court seeking to throw out the electoral votes of six states, engel refused to do that, doj stood its ground. >> that's very interesting in terms of all we are learning today about the possible fake elector scheme. you mentioned jeffrey clark who we will hear about at length today. >> we will not hear from jeffrey clark he has taken the fifth which is extraordinary for a former senior justice department official to do. jeffrey clark was essentially trump's guy inside doj. what he tried to do and thi

we had no idea, it wasn't just donohue who stood up, donohue and dozens of doj officials were ready resigndid this and that and that alone made him back down. but imagine if this letter had gone out under the e just of the new acting attorney general instead of the m.o. i've heard, he would have had the department of justice to say there's something fishy here, mr. raffensperger, you better go figure this out, et cetera. everything could have changed on a dime. we're looking at, i think, the closest scrape we have so far, and clark, who has to date said in his public statements, oh, i was just giving options. clearly has been lying to the public. he twice, not once, but twice this dramatic meeting is the second, went around the back of the attorney general. i can't tell you what a cardinal offense that is for someone who's like eighth or tenth on the flowchart to meet with trump and do this plot, stunning and almost worked. >> and nick, i want to read more from "the washington post" reporting. it also shows how trump assembled the coup team, almost adjacent to folks that really weren't cel

donohue and mr.re on the audio, and it was a decision they made after they commenced and seeing and luke's point is a good one and almost comical. i'm sure people like jason miller thought i'll go in there with my maga hat on, did trump know? yes. how did he know? i told him. at some point the maga posture falls apart completely. i wonder if you think the same could potentially happen with mr. cipollone's resistance to toughering. i want to show you what liz cheney had to say about that yesterday. >> donald trump does not want mr. cipollone to testify here. indeed, our evidence shows that mr. cipollone and his office tried to do what was right. they tried to stop a number of president trump's plans for january 6th today and come the coming hearings you will hear testimony from other trump white house staff explaining what mr. cipollone said and did including on january 6th. we think the american people deserve to hear from mr. cipollone personally. he should appear before this committee and we are wo

we'll hear from rosen and donohue tomorrow.ear from the attorney general from the office of legal counsel, stephen engel. joining me is former assistant watergate special prosecutor and peter strzok, former fbi counterintelligence agent. jill, i'll start with you. what do you think is the significance of having these doj officials come forward and tell the story that just summarized before the committee. what do you think will be the impact? >> so, first before i answer you i'm saying i look forward to the rest of your show with britney griner's wife and tomorrow with the documentarian. that will be very exciting. >> thank you. >> tomorrow will be very important because there is another lever of government that the president, trump, abused. and it's the closest that we come to watergate where richard nixon also used the department of justice to get information that he had no right to have, and then he used the fbi to say you can't follow the money trail because it's national security when, in fact, all it was was a direct trail

like you, i'm glad that richard donohue and steve engle and jeffrey rosen were there. but in the justice department, and this may sound corny, but i believe it, so here it goes, your job is to do the right thing in the right way for the right reason. so that means doing the right thing, even when it's hard. even when it means standing up to a president of the united states. like you, i'm really glad those guys were in that room at that moment, but that's what you're supposed to do. that's the job. and sometimes the job is saying "no" in a sea of "yes." they were the right people at the right moment, but i would like to think a lot of justice department people would do exactly what they did. maybe i'm wrong about that. they deserve credit for being there, but the job is to say "no" when you have to. so i actually think, willie, they would agree with me. i don't think they would think of themselves as heroes, but they would think of themselves as doing what justice department lawyers are trained to do. >> you know, one trip i took, when i was in congress, was down to per

when he was asked to do too much and now richard donohue as well will be testifying under oath that everything trump was pushing was a lie and he knew it was a lie. lawyers like eric hershman, the impeach obama, trump white house lawyer to the end, now bailing out and testifying under oath that everything trump was pushing to the public was a lie and he knew it was a lie. we are going to keep getting this from more and more of them on every aspect of the scheme and because it's the way trump likes his lawyers, we're going to get it all with extra hot sauce. and extra bluster and extra swear words. and apparently with referrals for federal criminal prosecution, live and outloud in realtime as they roll out the evidence. and, yes, it is getting through. again, i am allergic to media criticism, but you know what go up to the upper left corner of the country, here is the anchorage daily news, front page, trump's inner circle warned him election fraud claims were false. portland, maine, advisers told trump election fraud claims were false. go to the middle of the country, detroit free pr

. >> reporter: also at that meeting, steven engel and former acting attorney general richard donohue, down claims of voter fraud and told the former president they had hundreds of attorneys at d.o.j. who would resign immediately if he went through with his plan. only then, donohue said, trump backed off. >> and i began to explain to him what he had to lose, and what the country had to lose and what the department had to lose. and this was not in anyone's best interest. >> reporter: jeffrey clark did not testify today, but invoked the fifth amendment at a previous deposition. and yesterday federal investigators raided his northern virginia home. meantime, the committee named more republican lawmakers who sought pardons after meeting with the former president to strategize ways to block the certification of the election. norah? >> it's like there are new revelations every day. nikole killion, thank you. >>> let's go now to the other big story today. the supreme court and the most significant case regarding the second amendment in more than a decade. as the nation deals with a recent wav

mister donohue also said this about clarke's plan. >> and i recall toward the end saying what you're proposing is nothing less in the united states. justice department meddling in the outcome of the presidential election. >> in our hearings, you will hear firsthand how the senior leadership of the department of justice threatened to resign, how the white house counsel threatened to resign and how they confronted donald trump and jeff clark in the oval office. the men involved, including acting attorney general jeff rosen and acting deputy attorney general richard donoghue were appointed by president trump. these men honored their oaths of office. they did their duty. and you will hear from them in our hearings. by contrast, jeff clark is invoked his 5th amendment privilege against self-incrimination and refused to testify. representative scott perry who is also involved in trying to get clark appointed as attorney general has refused to testify here. as you will see, representative perry contacted the white house in the weeks after january 6 to seek a presidential pardon. multiple ot

i'd like to play again testimony from mister donohue who appeared before >> the committee before today. >> that i think you we talked some like whether or not the white the president was informed that an interim report on result of the investigation, the interview, gun on fulton county. how would those results communicated to the white house to it? >> i don't know how they actually communicated. i do know that they came up and subsequent conversations with the president and that the night's told them. we look into that and it's just not true. >> all right. so we've been just listening to some of the evidence pointing to the fact that the election was not rigged or false has been claimed by the trump administration. some of the witnesses testifying the investigation continuing and the hearing continuing, if you would like to see it uninterrupted. we've got live streaming coverag >> 9.26. for your money. all your money is what it takes to fill up your tank. these days. gas prices have hit another high nationwide. and of course, we're leading the way for the first time ever. a price of re

trump's acting attorney general jeffrey rosen and rosen's deputy at the time, richard donohue.hey've both pushed back on mr. trump's election lies and donohue threatened to resign when he threatened to replace rosen with jeffrey clark clark is a little known doj official who allegedly pushed his colleagues to investigate bogus voter fraud theories that even asked the justice department to instruct states to decertify joe biden's victory. after tomorrow's hearing there won't be enough one until next month. we just learned that today it's a major scheduling change that the committee chair has just announced members say they need more time to review some brand new evidence seems they just got their hands on hours of video from a documentary filmmaker who spent nearly a year following mr. trump and his inner circle leading up to the insurrection the january 6th committee hearings continue the public ones tomorrow afternoon 3:00 eastern with a focus on the former president's efforts to influence the justice department to overturn the election results. full coverage here tomorrow nig

the doj is top deputy, richard donohue testified that in a meeting with the president days before january, 6th trump spent hours repeating those claims of fraud . it was clear to us that there are a lot of people were springing his ear. feeding him these conspiracy theories and allegations, and i felt that being very blunt in that conversation might help. make it clear to the president. these allegations were simply not true . the men described how trump threatened to replace them with jeffrey clarke, a subordinate who had never tried a criminal case but was promoting trump's claims of fraud is telling you that he's going to take charge of the department 115,000 employees, including the entire fbi. in turn the place on a dime and conduct nationwide criminal investigations that will produce results in a matter of days. it's impossible. it's absurd. republican congressman adam kinzinger of illinois praised fellow republicans with the doj who refused to comply with the president's demands, threatening to resign on mass did not want for the department of justice to be put in a posture where i

donohue's assessment.le of attorney general in the days before january 6th and issued these letters, the ramifications could indeed have been grave. mr. donohue also said this about clark's claims. >> i recall toward the end saying what you're proposing is nothing less than the united states justice department medaling in the outcome of the election. >> in our hearings you'll hear first hand how the senior department of justice official threatened to resign and how they treated trump and clark in the oval office. acting attorney general were appointed by donald trump. these men took their oath of office, did their duty, and you will hear from them in their hearings. by contrast, clark invoked fifth amendment privilege and refused to testify. representative scott perry who was also involved in trying to get clark appointed as attorney general has refused to testify here. as you will see, representative harry contacted the white house in the weeks after january 6th to seek a presidential pardon. multiple oth

donohue's assessment. clark assumed the role of attorney general in the days before january 6th and issued these leaders. the ramifications could indeed have been grave. mr. donohue also said this about clark's plan. >> i was saying, what you are proposing is nothing less than united states justice department meddling the outcome of a presidential election. >> in our hearings, you will hear firsthand how the senior leadership of the department of justice threatened to resign. how the white house counsel threatened to resign, and how they confronted donald trump and jeff clark in the oval office. the men involved, including acte attorney general rosen and donahue were appointed by president trump. these men honored their oath of office. they did their duty, and you will hear from them in our hearing. by contrast, jeff clark has invoked his fifth amendment privilege against self incrimination and refused to testify. representative scott perry, who was also involved in trying to get clark appointed as attorne

and according to acting deputy attorney general richard donohue's notes from the conversation, trumpd to reports of crime. >> rosen stood firm on this call saying there's not much the justice department could do. >> trump also plotted with another justice official, jeffrey clark, to oust the acting attorney general after rosen's repeated refusals to go along with trump's fraudulent allegations. but that scheme imploded at the dramatic white house showdown on january 3, 2021. >> this was a scene straight up out of "apprentice." trump has rosen and clark vie for the job of attorney general of the united states. and the president is told that if he replaces rosen with there are going to be huge consequences. a number of top officials of the justice department are going to resign. there were probably going to be hundreds of other resignations of political appointees across the country as a result of this. it was a murder-suicide pact is the way this was described during this meeting. >> trump decided that the effort would not be worth the embarrassment of mass resignations and abandoned

we're going to hear from jeffrey rosen, richard donohue and steven engel.'s a key witness who hasn't agreed to testify and that's former white house counsel pat cipollone. joining me now someone who used to have that very job, and that's john dean, the former nixon counsel. i learned so much more about watergate from the cnn documentary you did. everyone should watch. the parallels to what's going on now, unbelievable. >> i did a nice job, thank you. >> thank you for responding to that. listen, the committee has been spending all the pressure campaigns, and we're about to hear what was going on in the doj. how important will tomorrow's testimony be in piecing all this together you think? >> i think it'll be very important. first of all these are seasoned lawyers. they know what evidence is. they resisted pressure from the president of the united states. he was not acting properly. and so i think they'll be powerful witnesses. i have little doubt they will. >> yeah, and you understand all too well the position that pat sip lenny is in tonight. i mean he coop

while jeffrey rosen and richard donohue, the top two officials at doj in the final weeks of the administration expected to appear, the committee is so far striking out with pat cipollone. cipollone is the former white house lawyer credited with talking some sense into trump by threatening to resign. sources say cipollone is not expected to join the hearing in person despite already talking to the committee privately. and "the new york times" is also reporting that the committee could start sharing transcripts of those witness interviews with the justice department as soon as next month. jessic jessica schneider, cnn, washington. >>> countries around the world are experiencing a dangerous heat wave, and that's one of the many climate warnings we're seeing. we'll check with a climate expert after the break. meet three sisters. the drummer, the dribbler, and the day-dreamer... the dribbler's getting hands-on practice with her chase first banking debit card... the drummer's making savings simple wi a tap... ...round of applause. and this dreamer, well, she's ill learning how to budget, so mom keep

while jeffrey rosen and richard donohue, the top two officials at doj in the final weeks of the trump administration, are expected to appear, the committee is so far striking out with pat cipollone. he's the former white house lawyer credited with talking some sense into trump by threatening to resign. sources say cipollone is not expected to join the hearing in person, despite already talking to the committee privately. trump took to the stage in nashville friday afternoon to blast the committee. >> meanwhile, the committee refuses to play any of the tape of people saying the good things, the things that we want to hear. it's a one-way street. it's a rigged deal. >> and our team has just learned that georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger and his deputy, they will both testify tuesday at the next hearing. that's when the committee will focus on trump's efforts to pressure officials in key battleground states to change the election results. in the meantime, "the new york times" is also reporting that the committee actually could start sharing transcripts of witness interviews w

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news that msnbc's confirmed today that jeffrey rosen, the former acting attorney general, richard donohue, the former acting deputy attorney general and steve engel, former u.s. assistant attorney general who also oversaw the office of legal counsel will testify on wednesday. bill barr played a starring role said this anchor never, but bill barr using the word bullshit, that we bleeped out and i hope people saw it the first time we went live and that was the election fraud and not just in closed-room doors and what he testified to a couple of different ways was that he told donald trump so, and we heard chairman thompson talk about that and what do you make of last night and the testimony still to come from doj officials? >> yeah. i think the key thing, nicole is there was intent. there was intent by donald trump to prevent the peaceful transfer of power, to do so through illegal means and through unconstitutional means and through violent means and he can no longer claim because his attorney general totally discredited his claim. he can no longer claim that he was trying to press his leg

an andrew, a former justice department official richard donohue described this as an attempt to have the department of justice quote in his words meddling in the outcome of the presidential election. how critical will it be to hear from people inside the justice department during the trump administration? >> that episode of president trump trying to replace the attorney general and forcing the department to issue a false letter essentially to the election officials in georgia is one of the most serious allegations against the former president. we have go to hear from the witnesses that experienced the pressure and resisted the president's attempts to use the justice department as his own personal campaign attack lawyers. >> what do you hope, michael, to see emerge from these powerful dramatic hearings? >> the truth. the truth about the origins of the violence on january 6th. what role our political leaders and subordinates played in the violence and ultimately, the accountability for not just the violence on january 6th, to me, obviously i have a personal vested interest in accountab

soon after, rosen, clark and then acting deputy attorney general richard donohue were in the oval officeral, he would, quote, conduct real investigations that would, in his view, uncover widespread fraud. the post reports trump repeatedly went after rosen and donahue, saying they had not adequately pursued voter fraud allegations. quote, you two haven't done anything. you two don't care. you haven't taken appropriate actions. everyone tells me i should fire you. well, suppose i do this, trump went on to say to donahue. what would you do? sir, i would resign immediately, donoghue said he responded. there's no way i'm serving under this guy. trump also asked another official in the room, man named steve engel this, steve, you wouldn't resign, would you, trump asked? absolutely, i would, mr. president. you would leave me no choice. that was the response. and one point during this conversation, donoghue asked the president what happens if in 48 hours we have hundreds of resignations from your justice department, what does that say about your leadership? trump then turned to clark, thanked hi

this is how trump responded to that news, according to former justice department official richard donohuemmittee yesterday. >> he responded very quickly and said, essentially, that's not what i'm asking you to do. what i'm asking you to do is say if was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the arepublican congressmen. >> pamela brown has been reporting on this extensively. the investigation isn't just in d.c. the republican party chair in arizona was subpoenaed. what are federal investigators trying to find out? >> the doj probe is heating up. we learned federal investigators have sent subpoenas to kelli ward, the head of the republican national committee there in arizona, and her husband, so what this shows you is that this probe is widening. it's very focused on this slate of fake electors. you know, as you well know, this idea that these people who were trump supporters convened. they became alternate slates of electors, and the end goal, apparently, was to come to washington and present to mike pence, the former vice president, the choice, and they would hope he would go toward the tr

potential new witnesses, former acting attorney general jeffrey rosen, and his then deputy richard donohuetheir experience here certainly material to those final days. melanie zanona is on capitol hill. set to get eastman's emails by tonight what is the significance? >> reporter: this is another victory for the select committee. they have already received hundreds of emails from eastman, a right wing lawyer, who is working with trump and his allies to overturn the 2020 election, but in this particular case the judge determined that at least one of the emails could show evidence that a crime was being planned. now, this all is coming on the eve of the select committee's first hearing where they're expected to lay out their findings. evem eastman is expected to play a key role in the storytelling. tomorrow's hearing is going to largely be focused on the proud boys and showing how the deadly attack on the capitol was premeditated. so the hearing witnesses tomorrow, include two people who directly interacted with the proud boys on january 6th. a documentary filmmaker, a capitol police officer,

again there was no fraud undermining the elections results, he had a phone conversation with richard donohue and jeffrey rosen, two high doj officials on december 27th, and he basically communicated to them, look, it doesn't matter if there was no fraud, just say there was and leave the rest to me and my allies in congress. chris, if that does not definitively, conclusively prove donald trump's corrupt intent throughout, i don't know what does. >> glenn kirschner, alley vitali, matthew dowd and david lapan. we'll ask whether testimony from these georgia officials could actually affect a grand jury that's hearing evidence about interference into the 2020 election. >>> first, the state department confirming the death of another u.s. citizen in ukraine. we've also got an exclusive interview from a kremlin spokesperson with disturbing warnings about americans who have been captured. why did attorney general merrick garland just make a surprise trip to ukraine? we've got it all. you're watching chris jansing reports only on msnbc. reports only on msnbc. can dramatically improve symptoms... rinvoq

committee hearing testimony from former acting attorney general jeffrey rosen, his top deputy, richard donohuend stephen engel. together these public servants resisted mr trump's effort to misuse the justice department. as part of his plan to hold onto power. rosen, who took over for attorney general bill barr detailed his talks with former president trump on his claims of election fraud. we did not think that they were appropriate based on the facts and the law as we understood them, rosen said. he threatened to resign and that more doj employees would follow if mr trump replaced him with the lower level official named jeffrey clarke, who supported the president's false claims. it was clear to us that there are a lot of people whispering in his ear. feeding him these conspiracy theories and allegations, and i felt that being very blunt in that conversation might help. make it clear to the president. these allegations were simply not true . and on wednesday, federal authorities searched clark's home in virginia republicans on capitol hill have largely ignored and dismissed the hearings as a di

wanted to make sure he understood the gravity of the situation because he didn't seem to appreciate it donohues he warned president that trclark was incoverage at h present time to run the justice department and the 115,000 employees and that the promises clark was making were absurd. >> i thought it was useful to point out to the president that jeff clark simply didn't have the skills, the ability and the experience to run the department, and so i said mr. president, you're talking about putting a man in that seat who has never tried a criminal case, who has never conducted a criminal investigation he's telling you that he's going to take charge of the department, 115,000 employees including the entire fbi and turn the place on a dime and conduct nationwide criminal investigations that will produce results in a matter of days, it's impossible. it's absurd. it's not going to happen and it's going to fail >> that's what he told the president, and here's what president trump's own white house lawyer said about clark's plans. >> and when he finished discussing what he planned on doing i said, goo

reporter: in a conversation on december 27th with then acting attorney general jeffrey rosen and richard donohuere any of the allegations brought up found credible? did you find any of them credible? >> no. throughout all of these meetings and these television conversations, it was adamant that he had won and that we were not doing our job. but it did escalate over time. >> the department did investigate numerous claims of voter fraud. >> the fact that i put myself in the position that i could say that we had looked at this and didn't think there was fraud was really important to moving things forward. and i sort of shudder to think what the situation would have been if the position of the department was, we're not even looking at this until after biden's in office. i'm not sure we would have had a transition at all. >> during a contentious meeting with doj officials and white house lawyers on january 3rd, trump suggested appointed doj environmental lawyer jeffrey clark as attorney general. >> i made the point that jeff clark is not even competent to serve as the attorney general. he's never bee

we know the justice department officials including jeffrey rosen, rich donohue, steve engel are all goingbe part of this big hearing that emphasizes how trump was trying to use the justice department to support these lies about vote fraud. liz cheney called out pat cipollone because he is not expected to be there and you can hear what she's trying to say here. >> our committee is certain that donald trump does not want mr. cipollone to testify here. indeed our evidence shows that mr. cipollone and his office tried to do what was right. we think the american people deserve to hear from mr. cipollone personally. he should appear before this committee and we are working to secure his testimony. >> brianna, the white house is not blocking pat cipollone from testifying, as a matter of fact, he did testify behind closed doors to the committee and he's played a big role in this hearing, whether he's there or not. i mean, we've heard from jared kushner who has called him a whiner for threatening to quit over some of this stuff, we heard from another witness who apparently was in the room when cip

donohue talk about the false claims that mr. trump and his supporters made about suitcases of fake ballots in georgia. we have witnessed here today who thoroughly investigated that issue. mr. pak, i want to thank you for appearing before us today. you were appointed by president trump to serve as the u.s. attorney for the northern district of georgia, and he served from 2017 until january of 2021. the e.u. where the lead federal prosecutor there and work for the department of justice under then-attorney general bill barr. were you ever asked by attorney by attorney general barr to investigate claims of voter fraud in the 2020 election? and, if so, what were those claims? >> thank you, congressman lofgren. thank you for the question. approximately december 4th of 2020 attorney general barr and i had a conversation about an unrelated case at issue. at the end of the conversation, mr. barr had asked me to obtain a certain videotape that was being reported in the news, where mr. giuliani, in a senate subcommittee hearing that was he

donohue testified in our hearings last week, the email identifies apparent planning by those coming toashington on january 6th to, quote, occupy federal buildings and discussions of, quote,en vagd the capitol building. their intelligence division sent several emails to white house personnel including certain materials listing events like those on the screen. unlike previous post-election protests, the targets of the pro-trump supporters are not necessarily the counterprotesters as they were previously, but rather congress itself is the target on the 6th. >> he had asked if he could speak with mr. meadows about potential words of violence that he was hearing that were potentially going to happen on the hill on january 6. >> i just remember mr. or nat toe coming in and saying we had intel reports that there could potentially be violence on the 6th. >> you also told us about reports of violence and weapons that the secret service were receiving on the night of january 5th and throughout the day on january 6th. is that correct? >> that's correct. >> i've got three men walking down the stre

acting attorney general jeffrey rosen, we're going to hear from his former acting deputy richard donohuewe're also going to hear from steve engel the former assistant attorney general for the office of legal counsel. these were folks who were all impacted when after the 2020 election then president donald trump decided he wanted to try to push aside jeffrey rosen and put someone in his place who would be willing to go along with donald trump's claims of election fraud and willing to pressure the states to revisit their election results and ultimately overturn the election. obviously that caused great consternation within the justice department, there were threats that people were going to resign en masse if trurn mp did that. some argued to the former president and public that the election was corrupt and stolen, that view was wrong then and it is wrong today. so in addition to running through this pressure campaign that they may have faced from the former president, they're also going to reiterate what we have heard from these hearings. there was no basis for donald trump's concerns, fo

donohue had an audio only. volume of interviews, there's no way we could have live witnesses at every hearing, and we started doing the videotaping as well. >> did anyone object? >> not that i know of. >> it's just remarkable to see hours and hours of bill barr and i know you have i think nine and a half hours of one of the closest advisers to former vice president pence. i wonder if you can take us inside what the tape is able to convey to the american people. you talked about being gratified that people are watching. part of the reason they're watching, it's all on tape. you can't spin it. you can't politicize it. it's trump's closest advisers in their own words. how important is that? >> i think it is important. i think all of our witnesses so far have been republicans who were part of trump world, and the reason for that is they're the ones who saw and who heard and who are able to give firsthand accounts of what happened and i think, at least what i'm hearing from people in response is that that's having a

questions about who donald trump was talking about when he tells acting ag rosen and deputy acting ag donohue. we got the name of one of those rs. and that was ron johnson. tell me the significance of that anecdote and that testimony. >> well, it clearly shows that there were others who were cooperating with the president and the people close to him to carry out this plot and essentially we've got to get these slates of fake electors delivered to the former vice president acting as the president of the senate so that he will consider them and use them in this plan that we're pressuring him to carry out. so i think it's one glimpse into perhaps a bigger picture of the large number of people who were involved in trying to carry this out. so it i think was very telling that we heard that directly from a witness. >> is there any doubt in your mind that donald trump directed or participated in a conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding of congress? >> there is no doubt in my mind. we've laid this out in multiple ways. i have read the testimony of some of these witnesses. but hearing them toda

we also heard from mr donoghue, richard donohue, the former acting deputy attorney general.t ofjustice to advance those claims. the hearing was led by one of two republicans on the committee, and they are trying to lay out the plan mr trump had, which also involved getting the department ofjustice to appoint a special counsel to investigate election fraud. it's worth remembering that the committee overall, they can't bring any charges against donald trump all his aides, but they can lay out the evidence they say shows donald trump tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power and connect his actions and behaviour to the violence we saw onjanuary 6th. ultimately it's the department of justice that can bring criminal charges. justice that can bring criminal charaes. . ~ i., justice that can bring criminal charaes. . ~ ,. ., justice that can bring criminal charaes. . ~ ., , charges. thank you. ron, it sounds like it was a — charges. thank you. ron, it sounds like it was a tough _ charges. thank you. ron, it sounds like it was a tough time _ charges. thank you. ron, it sounds lik

meadows although he did provide text messages and the former acting attorney general rosen, rick donohue sort of take care of themselves and regardless of, i think, the hardened opinions and they will tell a compelling story with new information and evidence that they've accumulated over the course of a year. >> "the washington post" jackialmany, governor ron desant sis targeting a key asset in his own state. yet florida congressman is doling out political punishments and that conversation is just ahead on "morning joe." t ahead on "morning joe. you know liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need? like how i customized this scarf? check out this backpack i made for marco. only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪ migraine attacks? you can't always avoid triggers like changes in weather. qulipta™ can help prevent migraine attacks. you can't prevent what's going on outside, that's why qulipta™ helps what's going on inside. qulipta™ is a pill. gets right to work to prevent migraine attacks and keeps them away over time. qulipta™ b

involved, including acting attorney general jeff rosen and deputy acting attorney general richard donohue were reported by president trump. these men honored their oath of office, they did their duty, and you will hear from them in our hearing. by contrast, jeff clark has invoked his fifth amendment privilege against self-incrimination and refused to testify. representative scott perry, who was also involved in trying to get clark appointed as attorney general has refused to testify. as you will see, representative perry contacted the white house in the weeks after january 6 to seek a presidential pardon. multiple other republican congressman also sought presidential pardons for their roles in attempting to overturn the 2020 election. in our fourth hearing, we will focus on president trump's efforts to pressure vice president mike pence to refuse to count votes. vice president pence has spoken publicly about this. [video clip] >> president trump is wrong. i had no right to overturn the election. the presidency belongs to the american people and the american people alone. and frankly, ther

would be a grave step for the department to take and could have... " the committee agrees with mr donohue'saying that what you are proposing is... nothing more than them meddling in the election. you were here _ meddling in the election. you were here first _ meddling in the election. you were here first hand - meddling in the election. you were here first hand how the senior leader of thejustice department threatened to resign, how the white house counsel threatened to resign and how they confronted donald trump and geoff clark in the oval office and the men involved including geoff rosen and richard donahue, were appointed by president trump. these men honoured their oaths of office and did their duty and you will hear from them in the hearings. by contrast, geoff clark has invoked his fifth amendment privilege against self—incrimination and refused to testify. in scott perry, also involved in getting clark appointed as has refused to testify. as he was there, representative perry contacted the white house in the weeks afterjanuary six to proceed a presidential pardon. multiple other cong

mister donohue also said this about clarke's plan. >> and i recall toward the end saying what you're proposing is nothing less in the united states. justice department meddling in the outcome of the presidential election. >> in our hearings, you will hear firsthand how the senior leadership of the department of justice threatened to resign, how the white house counsel threatened to resign and how they confronted donald trump and jeff clark in the oval office. the men involved, including acting attorney general jeff rosen and acting deputy attorney general richard donoghue were appointed by president trump. these men honored their oaths of office. they did their duty. and you will hear from them in our hearings. by contrast, jeff clark is invoked his 5th amendment privilege

the doj is top deputy, richard donohue testified that in a meeting with the president days before januaryspent hours repeating those claims of fraud . it was clear to us that there are a lot of people whispering in his ear. feeding him these conspiracy theories and allegations, and i felt that being very blunt in that conversation might help. make it clear to the president. these allegations were simply not true . the men described how trump threatened to replace them with jeffrey clarke, a subordinate who had never tried a criminal case but was promoting trump's claims of fraud is telling you that he's going to take charge of the department 115,000 employees, including the entire fbi. in turn the place on a dime and conduct nationwide criminal investigations that will produce results in a matter of days. it's impossible. it's absurd. republican congressman adam kinzinger of illinois praised fellow republicans with the doj who refused to comply with the president's demands, threatening to resign on mass did not want for the department of justice to be put in a posture where it would be do