rudolph giuliani wasborn in 1844 in east flatbush, new york. enforcer who did time for robb riat ( singing ) >> he wanted to tell mel don't take anybody else's money and make sure you pay for themselves. hipped me not to make his mistakes. >> trevor: it was an inspiring message, come up with your own regel trials crimes. he would. the family moved to the suburb to get away from the crime element. >> my father would threaten me with putting me in public schools if my behavior didn't improve and that was frightening. i was a product of catholic education. it instilled in me a desire to be a priest. >> trevor: that's right, giuliani almost became a man of the cloth instead of sweaty handkerchiefs. ultimately he decided instead to marry his childhood sweetheart who also happened to be his second cousin, and while today that may be seen as weird, back then it was seen as super gross. after graduating law school, giuliani began his immediate yoric career, quickly rising to the third highest position at reagan's justice department. he was the youngest

>> mayor giuliani. >> tell me more about that.bservation about his potential intoxication during that discussion about what the president should say when he addressed the nation on election night? >> the mayor was definitely intoxicated but i do not know that his level of intoxication when he spoke with the president, for example. >> you know, for example, when he put the president on the path to run a coup against the government. tim, what'd you think of that? >> yeah, well, we've all known this about rudy. i think that what, for me, was striking about today's testimony is that it was a microcosm of something that we've seen in the republican party, really, ever since donald trump took it over. there was this category of people who were the sociopaths, the racists, the bigots, you know, your steve bannons, peter novarro, drunk rudy giuliani, that were pushing the crazy, and at some level, believed it. and then there were these other people who were actual functionaries of the republican party who were trying to make things contin

giuliani, mr. giuliani's associates, mr. meadows, members of congress, it's difficult to distinguish the members i'm thinking were involved at thanksgiving -- >> at the presidents request, >> what did the president say when he called? >> he turned the call over to mr. eastman who then proceeded to talk about the importance of the rnc helping the campaign gather contingent electors in case legal challenges that were ongoing change the result. of any of the dates. [inaudible] my understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping them. . >> as trump in his supporters continue to lose, some campaign lawyers became convinced that the states trump laws were no longer appropriate [inaudible] . >> i called somebody saying, there must be a litigation pending in the states i don't think this is appropriate and it's not the right thing to do. i don't remember how i phrased it but, i got into a back and forth and i think it was with can cheese borough where i said, all right, get after it i'm out. >> at that point,

giuliani, did you share your affidavit?ver share your perspective about him to the president? >> i guess, yes. >> tell me what you said. >> that's not the approach i would take if i was you. >> today was day two of public hearings from the january 6th investigation. in my opinion, i think it was a more shocking and well presented series of revelations that even the first hearing last week and the first hearing last week exceeded my expectations. i should tell you there was also considerable position testimony from for me attorney general from bill barr. about the falsity of the presidents fraud claims, and the presidents efforts to try to enlist the justice department to help us effort to undermine the election results. he also spoke extensively about his ultimate decision to resign, as attorney general. we heard evidence from the committee today about the fact that trump claimed even in advance of the election, that if he didn't win, he wouldn't respect the results. he would call it fraud. but tonight, we're gonna get to a

but rudy giuliani appear before the i rudy giuliani appear before the georgia — rudy giuliani appear falsely claiming that it showed _ arena falsely claiming that it showed this— arena falsely claiming that it showed this conspiracy- arena falsely claiming that itl showed this conspiracy taking arena falsely claiming that it - showed this conspiracy taking place. here's _ showed this conspiracy taking place. here's a _ showed this conspiracy taking place. here's a sample— showed this conspiracy taking place. here's a sample of— showed this conspiracy taking place. here's a sample of what _ showed this conspiracy taking place. here's a sample of what mr- showed this conspiracy taking place. here's a sample of what mr giuliani i here's a sample of what mr giuliani had to— here's a sample of what mr giuliani had to say— here's a sample of what mr giuliani had to say during _ here's a sample of what mr giuliani had to say during that _ here's a sample of what mr giuliani had to say during that hearing. i here's a sample of what mr giuliani i had to say during that hearing. itithe" had to

giuliani, mr. eastman and others had set up what has been called, quote, a war room at the willard hotel on the night of the 5th. >> i was aware of that the night of the 5th. >> do you know if mr. meadows ever intended to go to the willard hotel on the night of the 5th? >> mr. meadows had a conversation with me where he wanted me to work with secret service on a movement from the white house to the willard hotel so he could attend the meeting or meetings with mr. giuliani and his associates in the war room. >> and what was your view as to whether or not mr. meadows should go to the willard that night? >> i had made it clear to mr. meadows that i didn't believe it was a smart idea for him to go to the willard hotel that night. i wasn't sure everything that was going on at the willard hotel, although i knew enough about what mr. giuliani and his associates were pushing during this period. i didn't think it was something appropriate for the white house chief of staff to attend or to consider involveme

giuliani, several of mr. giuliani's associates, mr. meadows, members of congress.ough it's difficult to distinguish if the members i'm thinking of were involved during thangiving or they're involved as we progressed through december. >> at the president's direct request, the rnc assisted the caaign in coordinating this effort. >> what did the president say when he called you? >> essentially, he turned the call over to mr. eastman who then proceeded to talk about the importance othe rnc helping the campaign gather these continge electors in case any of the legal challenges that were ongoing changed the result of any of states. i think more just helping them reach out and assemble them. but that -- my understandings the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping them in that role. >> as president trump and his supporters continued to lose lawsuits, some campaign lawyers became convinced that convening electors in states that trump lost was no longer appropriate. >> i just remember i either replied or called somebody saying, unless we have litigation pending

giuliani accused you and your mother of passing a usb drive to each other. what was your mom actually handing you on that video >> a ginger mint. >> it wasn't just rudy giuliani. we heard president trump make these false allegations repeatedly during his call with secretary rathensburger. let's listen to a portion of what he had to say about you and your mother. >> we had at least 18,000 that's on tape, we had them counted very -- 18,000 voters having to do with the ruby freeman, she's a vote scammer, a professional vote scammer, and hustler. >> donald trump attacked you and your mother using her name 18 times on that call. 18 times. miss moss can you describe what you experienced listening to former president trump attack you and your mother in a call with the georgia secretary of state? >> i felt horrible. i felt like it was all my fault, like if i would have never decided to be an elections worker, like, i could have -- anything else, but that's what i decided to do. and now, people are lying and spreading rumors and lies and attacking my mom, i'm her onl

giuliani? >> i. did after mr. giuliani had left the campus that evening, i went back up to our office and i found mr. meadows in his office on the couch, scrolling through his phone. i remember leaning against the doorway and saying, there was an interesting conversation with rudy, mark. it sounds like we are going to go to the capitol. he didn't look up from his phone. and said something to the effect of, there is a lot going on, cassidy, but i don't know. things might get real, real bad on january 6th. >> that's giuliani and meadows knowing there was a plan to go to the capitol, four days before the sacking of the capitol, the mob stormed the capitol, we're going to the capitol, the president is going to the capitol. we already knew the likes of steve bannon, the podcaster into shirted trump advisor, warning that all hell would break loose on the sixth. but now it seems that meadows and giuliani, two of trump's closest advisers in this frothy period of the election, also knew something was going down that day, s

they're also suing rudy giuliani. what does she want from rudy giuliani? can't help but be moved by it. miss moss is a hero and is so courageous for being willing to stand up and tell her story. i just -- i'm proud to be associated with somebody that has that character and that courage. the lawsuits are designed to try to sort of achieve accountability and restore the reputation of miss moss and miss freeman who were made the objects of this character assassination for political convenience by rudy giuliani and others in his orbit. our colleagues at law for truth have along with us and other lawyers filed a lawsuit in missouri against the gateway pundit, we filed a lawsuit in d.c. against oan and rudy giuliani, the lawsuit against mr. giuliani continues, and the design is for them to have their day in court and to be able to tell their story and achieve accountability and demonstrate with all of the powers of the legal system, the judicial system, that everything that was said about them was a lie, and help restore the reputations. they had their lives com

>> mister giuliani , mister meadows. members of congress although it's difficult to distinguish if they are involved in december. >> the president's request the campaign in for knitting members. >> what did the president say? >> essentially he turn the call over to mister eastman who then proceeded to talk about the importance of that the rnc helping the campaign gather these contingents electors in case any of the legal challenges that were ongoing changed the results of caany states. i think just helping them reach out but my understanding is the campaign didn't take the lead and we just weren't helping them that fraud. >> and his supporters can do to lose lawsuits somelawyers became convinced convening electors in states trump loss was no longer appropriate . >> i either replied or called somebody saying unless we have litigation pending in these states i don't think this is appropriate. this isn't the right thing to do. i don't remember how i igphrased it but we had a little bit of a back-and-forth and i think it was

giuliani, and mr.ani's associates. >> the select committee interviewed fake electors. >> we are kind of useful idiots, a strong part of me really feels that it's just kind of as the road continued and those failure, failure, failure, that that got formulated is what do we have on the table, let's just do it. >> and now after what we have told you today about the select committee investigation about the conclusion of the professional lawyers on the campaign staff, about their unwillingness to participate in the convening of these electors, how does that contribute to your understanding of the issues. >> i'm angry, i'm angry, because i think, i think in a sense, you know, no one really cared if people would potentially put themselves in jeopardy. >> would you have not wanted to participate in this any further as well? >> i absolutely would not have, had i known the three main lawyers for the campaign that i've spoken to in the past and were leading up were not on board. yeah. >> i was told that these wou

giuliani and mr.associates. >> the select committee interviewed several of the individual fake electors as well as trump campaign staff who helped organize the effort. >> we were useful idiots at that point. you know, strong part of me really feels that it's just as the road continued and as it was failure, failure, failure that that got formulated as what do we have on the table, let's just do it. >> and now after what we've told you today about the select committee's investigation about the conclusion of the professional lawyers on the campaign staff, clark, morgan and finley about their unwillingness to participate in the convening of these electors, how does that contribute to your understanding of these issues? >> i'm angry. i'm angry because i think in a sense no one really cared if people were potentially putting themselves in jeopardy. >> would you have not wanted to participate in this any further as well? >> absolutely would not have had i known that the three main lawyers for the campaign t

giuliani's attorney tonight denying that claim. and former attorney general bill barr, a very loil a.g. to the former president, now emerging as a key witness in these hearings. in that videotaped testimony saying today in the weeks following the election with the former president and these false claims, barr says he became demoralized himself, saying if the president believed those lies, that the president had, as i mentioned, become detached from reality. tonight here, the never before seen testimony, the top trump campaign aids, his daughter ivanka trump, her husband jared kushner, and a portrait inside the trump white house of election night and of the weeks leading up to january 6th. abc's chief washington correspondent jonathan karl leading us off tonight from capitol hill. >> reporter: with recorded testimony from some of the people closest to donald trump, the january 6th committee revealed what was going on inside the white house late on election night 2020, as trump was urged not to declare victory by his campaign manager

giuliani. >> thank you. i understand that georgia secretary of state's office investigated those allegations and didn't find any evidence of fraud. what did you find when your office conducted its own investigation? >> we found that this suitcase full of olives, the alleged black suitcase that was being seen pulled from under the table was actually an official lockbox where ballots were kept safe. we found out that there was a mistake in terms of misunderstanding that there were done counting ballots for the night. and the partisan watchers that was signed by each of the respective party were announced at to send hope it went to realize someone from the secretary of state office had indicated no, no, no, , we're nt done for the night you need to go heading continue counting, so once they packed up the lockbox full of ballots they brought back the official ballot box again and continued to tally the ballots from that, from the lockbox. unfortunately during the senate hearing mr. giuliani only played a clip th

he may have listened to a drunk giuliani because giuliani was a loyalist, and everybody was telling himtin, too. they don't really listen to people. they're not interested in input because they think they have all the answers and they're going to do what they need to do. the second is that trump was in office for -- to make money off the presidency. that's very clear. i'd remind people that the "washington post" had a very interesting investigation that, for the first three years of his presidency, basically until covid came, he spent one-third of his time not in the white house but visiting trump branded properties. promoting the trump brand as a continuity. indeed, what's come out yesterday when representatives said the big lie was a rip-off, funneling money to trump hotel chains. the big lie and election denial was an efficient method of trump raising money and fleecing his followers. >> certainly, we all know the hearings come as former president trump considers another run in 2024. i think democracy in great peril if he were able to push past this moment and run successfully again.

>> giuliani. the mayor was definitely intoxicated, but i did not know his level of intoxication when he spoke with the president, for example. >> i spoke to the president several times that night. >> i remember saying that -- to the best of my memory i was saying we should not go declare victory until we had a better sense of the numbers. >> i think i'm characterized as being part of team normal. >> i told him the stuff his people were shuttling out to the public was [ bleep ]. >> the president's mind was made up. >> are you out of your eff'ing mind? i said, i only want the hear two words coming out of your mouth from here on -- orderly transition. >> two takeaways there. trump's most loyal defenders, including barr, confronted -- the loss, and the only trump aide willing to go along with election lies was this now disbarred lawyer, giuliani, who aides said could not stay sober on the biggest work night of the campaign, which is election night. testimony on giuliani's kpoks communication might sou

giuliani was relentless. >> he would say, "aren't we all republicans here? i would think we would get a better reception." >> reporter: bowers kept asking giuliani for evidence of fraud. >> he said, "we have a lot of theories. we just don't have the evidence." >> did anyone provide you with evidence of election fraud sufficient to affect the outcome of the presidential election in arizona? >> no one provided me ever such evidence. >> reporter: even though bowers was a staunch trump supporter, he believed what trump and his allies were asking him was immoral and illegal. >> and i said, yoursel're askin to do something that's never been done in history, the history of the united states. and i'm going to put my state through that without sufficient proof? and that's going to be good enough with me? that i would put us through that, my state? that i swore to uphold both in constitution and in law. no, sir. >> reporter: as trump and his allies went public with their pressure campaign, bowers played a steep personal price. his office was bombarded with thousands o

giuliani. ms. lofgren: i understand that georgia secretary of state's office investigated those state farm arena allegations and didn't find any evidence of fraud. what did you find when your office conducted its own investigation? mr. pak: we found the suitcases of alleged black suitcase that was being pulled from under the table was an official lock box where ballots were kept safe. there was a mistake under a misunderstanding that they were done counting ballots and the partisan watchers that were assigned by the respective parties and someone from the secretary of state's office, we are not done for the night, you need to continue counting. and the lock box, they brought back the box and talleyed the tally. and unform during the senate hearing, mr. giuliani only played a clip showing them pulling the box out from under the tail and referred to that as fraud in fulton county and review of the entire video showed that was a valid box that was kept under the table and show them pack up and once th

giuliani and president trump.deeply disturbing. >> the tape earlier in the day of ruby freeman and shaye freeman moss and one other gentleman, quite only surreptitiously passing around usb ports as if they're vials of heroin or cocaine. i mean it's obvious to anyone who is a criminal investigator or a prosecutor, they are engaged in ser rupp tissues, illegal activity that day. after a week ago they're still walking around georgia lying. they should have been -- should have been questioned already. their places of work, their homes should have been searched for evidence of ballots, evidence of usb ports, for evidence of voter fraud. >> that video was from rudy giuliani's appearance at a georgia state senate hearing on december 10. how did you become aware, how did you first become aware that rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer, was accusing you and your mother of a crime? sfli >> i was at work, like always, and a former chief, mr. jones, asked me to come to his office. when i went to his office, the former direct

giuliani and president trump. i want to advise viewers that these statements are completely false, and also deeply disturbing. >> tape earlier in the day of ruby freeman and shea freeman moss, and one other gentlemen, quite obviously, surreptitiously, passing around usb ports as if they are vials of heroin or cocaine. i mean it's obvious to anyone who's a criminal investigator or prosecutor that they are engaged in surreptitious illegal activity. that's a week ago and they are still walking around georgia lying. they should have been questioned already. their places of work, their homes, should be searched for evidence of ballots, for evidence of usb ports, for evidence of voter fraud. >> that video was from rudy giuliani's appearance at the georgia state senate hearing on december 10th. how did you become aware, first become aware, that rudy giuliani, the presidents lawyer, was accusing you and your mother of a crime? >> i was it work like always. and the former chief, mr. jones, asked me to come to his office, a

giuliani and president trump.want to advise viewers that these statements are completely false and also deeply disturbing. >> tape earlier in the day of ruby freeman and shaye moss and one other gentleman say rip tesch usually passing around ports as if they are vials of cocaine. it is obvious to anyone who is a criminal investigator or prosecutor that they are engaged in surreptitious illegal activity again that day. and that is a week ago and they are still walking around georgia lying. they should have been questioned already. their places of work, their homes should have been searched for evidence of ballots, usv ports, evidence of voter fraud. >> that video was from rudy giuliani's appearance at a georgia state senate hearing on december 10. how did you become aware, how did you first become aware that rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer, was accusing you and your mother of a crime? >> i was at work like always. and former chief, mr. jones, asked me to come to his office. and when i went to his office, the

but trump instead listened to rudy giuliani. >> there were suggestions by, i believe it was mayor giuliani, to go and declare victory and say that we'd won in outright. >> it was far too early to be making any calls like that. ballots -- ballots were still being counted. ballots were still going to be counted for days, and it was far too early to be making any proclamation like that. >> and did anybody who was a part of that conversation disagree with your message? >> yes. >> who was that? >> the president disagreed with that. i don't recall the particular words. he thought i was wrong. he told me so, and, you know, that they were going to, you know, he was going to go in a different direction. >> okay. basically he just didn't listen to anyone with any authority or who wasn't fringe in his administration. any of his advisers who were rational people, he didn't listen to them. witnesses also testifying about giuliani's condition on election night. watch this. >> was there anyone in that conversation who, in your observation, had had too much to drink? >> uh, mayor giuliani. >> tell me more

his attorney telling nbc news giuliani wasn't drinking at all. trump campaign manager bill stepien backing out of a planned live appearance this morning at the last minute after his wife went into labor. instead the committee played this videotape of stepien earlier saying he also disagreed with giuliani >> ballots were still going to be counted for days, and it was far too early to make any proclamations like that. >> reporter: but the president declared victory on election night anyway. >> frankly, we did win. >> reporter: creatin a rift in his inner circle that only grew as courts rejected 61 of 62 legal cases filed by the president's team >> we called them kind of my team and rudy's team i didn't mind being characterized as being part of team normal. >> what they were proposing i thought was nuts you know, the theory was also completely nuts >> reporter: the president's embrace of the so-called big lie of a stolen election ultimately leading his attorney general to resign >> i thought, boy, if he really believes this stuff he has, you know, l

. >>> rudy giuliani slapped at the supermarket, why giuliani said it felt like someone shot him in the back. >>> direct hit. lightning hits this boat packed with people off the florida ghost. one of the survivors describes the terrifying moment. >>> ugly braul in major league baseball. what happened after the fight timely happened. >>> the best city in the world to take a working vacation and it's right here in the u.s. >>> good monday morning. >>> 26 states are either moving to ban abortion or severely restrict abortion rights. other questions, whether states will regulate online prescription for abortion pills >> meanwhile, the congresswoman who explained a victory for white life, is now explaining the comment saying she misspoke. >> reporter: in washington last night, a vigil outside the supreme court where pro abortion activists protested the decision to overturn roe v. wade. >> this is not our america! >> reporter: and now abortion pills are in the spotlight, with the court's decision making it harder to get the medication. recent data shows abortion pills being used in more than

>> like -- mayor giuliani. >> tell me more about that?what was your observation about his potential intoxication during that -- that discussion about what the president should say when he addressed the nation election night? >> and the mayor was definitely intoxicated, but i do not know his level of tox -- intoxication when he spoke with the president, for example. >> were you part of any discussions with the people i mentioned, mr. stepien, mr. meadows, or anyone else about whether the president should make any sort of speech on election night? >> iean, i spoke to th president. they may have been present, but the president -- spoke to the president several times that night. >> there are suggestions by, i believe it was mayor giuliani, to go and declare victory and say that we won it outright. >> it was far too early to be making any calls like that. ballots -- ballots were still being counted. ballots were still going to be counted for days. and it was far too earlyo be making any proclamation like that. >> i remember saying that i -- to