justice department and how trump plans to use the justice department to overthrow the government and stay in power. in this part of the plot, the justice department would essentially tell the country that trump was right, there really was tons of fraud, swing states won by biden, probably really were not won by biden. the justice department would in fact tell those swing states that they really should consider sending in trump electors to the electoral college instead of biden electors. that was the plan the justice department play at that role. and how they carry out that plan? the vehicle for this part of the plan was, this official, jeffrey clark. the plan was to fire the attorney general, or place him with this guy, and then this guy would and after the trump plan, to have states that biden won decertify their votes, to instead proclaim trump had won those states and to have those states cast their electoral college votes for trump. clark promised to carry it out. we got new detailed revelations about every step of how they tried to do that today. and we will have more on that co

this one involving the department of justice. a key focus of our hearing today will be a draft letter that are witnesses here today refused to sign. this letter was written by mr. jeff clark with another department of justice department lawyer, ken kasky. and the letter was to be sent to the leadership of the georgia state legislature. other portions of the legislature that were intended for other states. neither mr. drug nor mr. klulowski had any evidence of widespread electorate and flawed, but they were quite aware of what mr. trump wanted the department to do. jeff clarke met privately with president trump and others in the white house and agreed to assist the president without telling the senior leadership of the department who oversaw him. as you will see, this letter claims that the u.s. department of investigations have, quote, intended fight significant concerns that may have impacted the outcome of the election in multiple states, including the state of georgia. in fact, donald trump knew this was a lie there. department

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this one involving the department of justice. a key focus of our hearing today will be a draft letter that are witnesses here today refused to sign. this letter was written by mr. jeff clark with another department of justice department lawyer, ken kasky. and the letter was to be sent to the leadership of the georgia state legislature. other portions of the legislature that were intended for other states. neither mr. drug nor mr. klulowski had any evidence of widespread electorate and flawed, but they were quite aware of what mr. trump wanted the department to do. jeff clarke met privately with president trump and others in the white house and agreed to assist the president without telling the senior leadership of the department who oversaw him. as you will see, this letter claims that the u.s. department of investigations have, quote, intended fight significant concerns that may have impacted the outcome of the election in multiple states, including the state of georgia. in fact, donald trump knew this was a lie there. department

this one involving the department of justice. a key focus of our hearing today will be a draft letter that our witnesses here today refused to sign. this letter was written by mr. jeff clark, with another department of justice lawyer ken kukows ask i and another letter was to to be sent to the georga state legislature. other letters were intended for other states. neither mr. clark more kenkowski had evidence of election fraud. jeff clark met privately with president trump and others in the white house and agreed to assist the president without telling the senior leadership of the department who oversaw him. as you will see, this letter claims that the u.s. can't of justice's -- the u.s. department of justice's investigation, quote, identified significant concerns that may have impacted the outcome of the election in multiple states, including the state of georgia. in fact, donald trump knew this was a lie. the department of justice had already informed the president of the united states repeatedly that its investigations had foun

this one involving the department of justice. a key focus of our hearing today will be a draft letter that our witnesses here today refused to sign. this letter was written by mr. jeff clark with another department of justice lawyer. the letter was to be sent to the leadership of the georgia state legislature. other versions of the letter were intended for other states. neither mr. clark, nor mr. klukowski had any widespread evidence of election frayed. they were aware of what mr. trump wanted the department to do. jeff clark met privately with president trump and others in the white house and agreed to assist the president without telling the senior leadership of the department that oversaw him. as you'll see, this letter claims that the u.s. department of justices investigations have identified significant concerns that may have impacted the outcome of the election in multiple states including state of georgia. in fact, donald trump knew this was a lie. the department of justice had already informed the president of the united s

this involving the department of justice. e a draft letter, that are witnesses refused to sign. this letter was written by mr. jeff clark with another department of justice lawyer. the letter was to be sent to the leadership of the georgia state legislature. other versions of the letter were intended for other states. neither mr. clark or mr. widespread election fraud. they were aware of what mr. trump wanted the department to do. jeff clark met probably with president trump and others in the white house and agreed to assist the president without telling the senior leadership of the department who oversaw him. as you will see, this letter claims that the u.s. department of justice' investigations have "identified significant concerns that may have impacted the outcome of the election in multiple states, including the state of georgia". in fact, donald trump knew this was a lie. the department of justice had informed the president of the united states, repeatedly, that its investigations had found no fry sufficient to overturn

the justice department won't tolerate it. the jus kit department's top priority is holding accountable those who commit heinous act. we must all continue to combat hate and discrimination before they escalate to violence. every community deserves to feel safe and protected. through vital grant programs and technical assistance, the department is working diligently to support victims and jurisdictions that have experienced these incidents of mass violence. the office of victims of crime deploy officials to work with the community and state officials to ensure that everyone who needs and wants services has continued access to mental health and other resources. the justice department stands with you and will continue to work to make real this nation's promise of justice and equality under the law. i am now going to pass it to assistant attorney general clarke. ms. clarke: thank you, associate attorney general gupta. mr. attorney general and colleagues, today i join my colleagues in grieving the innocent victims of this senseless

justice department into helping him overturn the 2020 election. >> president trump ultimately wanted the department of justice to say the election was, quote, corrupt, and leave the rest to me and the republican congressman. the department's top leadership refused. >> three justice department officials took the witness table including former acting attorney general jeffrey rosen. >> at one point he had raised the question of having a special counsel for election fraud. at a number of points you raised request that i meet with his campaign counsel, mr. giuliani. >> we had concluded, based on actual investigations, actual witness interviews, reviews of documents, that these allegations simply had no merit. >> former acting attorney general richard donahue had previously told the committee he threatened to resign if the former president replaced rosen with another doj official, jeffrey clark. >> he repeatedly said that if he was put in the seat, he would conduct real investigations that would in his view, uncover widespread fraud . >> clark's home was raided by federal agents wednesday a

attorney general merrick garland: so, the justice department takes extraordinary seriously violence, criminal threats of violence, intimidation, harassment of justices or any other government officials. for that reason, we swiftly move to provide 24/7 protection for the justices, including of the residences. for that reason, i called a meeting with the marshall of the supreme court, with the director of the marshals service, with the deputy director of the fbi and federal prosecutors right from the very beginning to make sure we were assessing all possible threats and using all resources available. i also met with the judges of the judicial conferences committee, judicial security, and pledged our full support in our support for the legislation they are seeking. there is currently legislation passing through congress and the justice department is extremely supportive of that security legislation. >> [indiscernible] reporter: so we understand that there are reports that the shooter was in chap rooms with others and could have told them about the shootings. are there plans for charges a

this one involving the department of justice. day refuse to sign. this letter was written by mr. jeff clark, with another department of justice lawyer ken kuklowski. other versions of the letter were intended for other states. neither mr. clark, nor mr. kuklowski had any evidence of election fraud. but they were quite aware of what president trump wanted the department to do. jeff clark met with trump privately and with others in the white house and agreed to assist the president without telling the senior leadership of the department who oversaw him. as you will see, this letter claims that the u.s. department of justice's investigations have, quote, identified significant concerns that may have impacted the outcome of the election in multiple states. including the state of georgia. in fact, donald trump knew this was a lie. the department of justice had already informed the president of the united states repeatedly that its investigations had found no fraud sufficient to overturn the results of the 2020 election. the letter also

, and the justice department can continue to pursue any allegations of criminal activity on the part of the former president. so, i respect that to change with the department. what frightens me about the prospect of public leadership is he was a part of that plot which ran through the house of representatives. if he should have that presented -- position again and trump would run again and lose again he will return the election in the house. that is why someone like that can never be given that response ability. >> mr. chairman, we saw something fascinating in the white house call logs today, where jeffrey clark was actually referred to, as the acting attorney general, before that meeting in which donald trump was possibly pretending to decide whether he should be acting attorney general. is it conceivable that donald trump had already made the decision, that jeffrey clark is going to be the acting attorney general, and then, when resin asked for this meeting, in that meeting, trump was pretending that this was the decision meeting and in fact what actually happened at that meeting is

that stopped the president's efforts to subvert the department of justice, to get the department of justice to say that the election was corrupt. however, it didn't stop the president and his attempted coup. three days later, january 6th, the president was out there in front of that crowd, repeating all the same lies that all his members from the department of justice except jeffrey clark had told him were completely false. he was saying those things, the exact same lies, to that crowd, telling them to march on the capitol. also today, the committee publicly stated the names of republican members of congress who actively sought pardons from the former president. we're going to get into that in a moment. it is an extraordinary list. first we want to discuss what we just heard. i'm joined by jeffrey toobin, laura coates, both former federal prosecutors. also gloria borger, alyssa farah griffin, director of strategic communications for the former president. jeff, i mean this line, just say it was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the republican congressmen, there were so many extraordinary

he was an environmental lawyer at the justice department.obody really knew his name until in the closing days of 2020 early 2021, president trump at the time was trying to figure out a way to install him at the head of the justice department. he wanted to make him attorney general, because he was willing to carry out the former president's wishes to send letters to the states essentially saying that the justice department believed that there was sufficient fraud to investigate. this was obviously central to the former president's effort to essentially set aside joe biden's victory and to get the states to send these fake electors, and find a way for trump to remain in power. and so clark was willing to do that. there was this extraordinary meet agent the justice department on a sunday. january 3rd, a couple days before january 6th. where jeffrey clark and jeffrey rosen who was the acting attorney general at the time essentially were in the white house for hours as trump sort of lorded over this apprentice style competition between jeffrey cl

but understand, the united states justice department functions on facts, evidence and law. and those are not going to change. so you can have whatever leadership you want, but the departments position is not going to change. >> the presidents white house counsel pat cipollone was also pressed the president do. you remember what his position was? >> i was very supportive of paths baloney throughout these conversations, he was extremely supportive of the justice department. he was consistent. i think you have an impossible job at that time but he did it well and he also cited the judge sided with the justice department on these discussions. >> so let's pause for the second. new year's eve. president trump is talking about seizing voting machines and making the same demands that had already been shot down by former attorney general barr on at least three occasions and why mr. rosen and mr. donoghue on multiple other occasions. claim after claim knocked down. but the president didn't care. the next day chief of staff maurer meadows sent a flurry of emails to you, mr. robin, aski

justice department. i mean in modern times, sedition charges are rare enough and a risky enough prosecution effort that there are literally books written about every modern case in which sedition is charged by the government because it is such a big deal when they do it, it is so rare, it is so high stakes and if you're under the age of 100 and if you were to go to work as a federal prosecutor for the u.s. justice department, it would be a pretty good bet that you would never see this particular charge brought against anyone in your entire career and yet here we, are 16 people from two different para-military groups charged in two different sedition indictments in the space of six months. the ocean -- the oath keepers decision conspiracy brought in january and now the proud boys decision conspiracy indictment brought today, both related to the january 6th violent attack on the u.s. capitol to try to overthrow the u.s. government to try to prevent president biden from taking office. the fact that the just

we're not privy to what the department of justice's reason for doing it. s you know, we demonstrated he was recommended to the department of justice and people felt he was absolutely unqualified to do so. reporter: you sound like you have more than one hearing after this. mr. thompson: right now we have two scheduled hearings in july. we'll talk about the domestic violence and the 187 minutes. reporter: multiple members of congress asked for pardons, what consequences, if any, should there be? should the justice department take action? what are the next steps after this? mr. thompson: i think the important thing is the fact that you only ask for a pardon when you think you've done something wrong. if those individuals who we offered today feel they were doing something wrong and deserve a pardon, that tends to verify that what the president was promoting and what other people were promoting around whether or not the elections were legitimate or not obviously it says that they thought they were doing something wrong. reporter: you talked several times, when

rakowski persisted after he joined the justice department. ned the justice department. let's take a look at an email recommending that they briefed vice president pence and his staff. of the recipients of this email included of staff, congressman, louis. and email says as stated last week i believe the vice president and his staff would benefit greatly from a briefing by john and ken. i want to thank all eyewitnesses for being here today and answering our's. we asked mr. clark some of the same questions that we have asked you. here's how he answered. . >> executive privilege as stated. claimant >> if you look again, i can see the draft letter in the first paragraph we are able on investigating progress. at this time, we have identified significant concern. identified significant concern. >> the chair declares the committee in recess for a period of 10 minutes. period of 10 minutes. >> we have been watching, to get the, the fifth public hearing by the january 6th select committee. into an arm of his campaign to overturn the election results. the hearing is currently in a

but understand, the united states justice department functions on facts, evidence and law. those are not going to change. so you can have whatever leadership you want, but the department's position is not going to change. >> the president's white house counsel, pat cipollone was present. do you remember his position? >> he was extremely supportive of the justice department. he was consistent. i think he had an impossible job at that point but he did it well and sided with the justice department. >> let's pause. it's new year's eve. president trump is talking about seizing voting machines and shoot down accusations. claim after claim, knocked down. the president didn't care. the next day, chief meadows looked that the department look into a new sell of allegations. we'll put those e-mails here on the screen. here we see three requests made on january 1. one e-mail is a request from mr. meadows to you, mr. rosen, to send jeff clark to fulton county what did you do with this request? >> really nothing. certainly didn't send mr. clark to fulton county. but that e-mail was the fi

we've been very lucky. >> justice department officials. and. >> congressman, thank you so much. appreciate your time. i know you're very which is for the first time in decades. we go straight to jessica dean. hello. thank you so much for joining the senate voting on the final passage of the gun safety anyway and you don, i was in oath negotiators, mim for people who supported this legislation, 65-33. that's pretty overwhelmingly bipartisan in this 50/50 senate to see this gun legislation go through. this was just not something that many people had on their bingo card for this year. but then uvalde of course happened and it changed everything. so now we see this legislation that's going to do thing like close the boyfriend loophole, expand enhanced background checks on younger gun buyers and really revolutionize mental health funding in this country, school safety and community safety funding, things like that. so it is an expanse uf bill it in that way. it is now going to head to the house, we're told, tomorrow. speaker of the house nancy pelosi saying it's going to go to the ru

the justice department is committing to do our part to end the plague of gun violence. we strongly support congresses efforts to do so as well. in recent weeks, mass shooting after mass shooting has taken the lives of children in their classrooms, beloved community members during their grocery shopping, and worshipers at gathering at their church. so, as her agents and prosecutors works get crime "guns out" of our communities we are also committed to doing everything we can to support the bipartisan gun safety negotiations that are taking place in congress as we speak. finally, the case we announced today illustrates the critical role that atf plays in battling gun violence and saving lives. atf needs permanent leadership to continue carrying on that fight. and we urge the senate to ask what you can from the president's nominee to serve as director of atf. our agents and atf critical mission deserve nothing less. i'm now pleased at how the program over to the united states attorney chad meacham. >> thank you mr. attorney general. i am chad the united states attorney for

the january 6 on the capitol reveals new details about donald trump's efforts to pressure the justice department to subvert the election. >> i want to make sure we do not gloss this over. just say it was corrupt and leave the rest to us. the president wanted the top justice officials to declare the election was corrupt even though he knew it was absolutely no evidence to support that statement. a make congressmember adam kinzinger led the questioning of former top justice department officials like transformer acting deputy attorney general richard donoghue. >> i said, mr. president, within 24, , 72 hours you could have hundreds and hundreds of resignation with your entire justice department because of your actions. what is that going to say that you? amy: we will bring you the explosive highlights from the hearing. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the u.s. senate has approved a bipartisan gun safety bill by a vote of 65 to 33. the vote comes just weeks after the mass shootings in buffalo, new york and uvalde, te

by the department of justice or the fbi. there's a way around that. partment of justice could simply immunize somebody, who otherwise has the fifth amendment privilege and compel that testimony. if all he's trying to do a shot down an investigation of himself, he's not going to succeed, whether or not he pardons these people. what's interesting to me, stephanie -- look, i've never asked for a pardon, i don't that guy ever had to, i don't intend to, i'm pretty sure you haven't done that either. they must have had some consciousness of guilt. asking for a pardon doesn't mean they committed a crime. but it sure means they are worried about having been perceived as committing a crime. >> well, he's basically got a blank check and he can pardon anyone he wants -- i certainly know want to know why he didn't. thanks so much luke broadwater, frankfurt lucy, chuck, i'm not letting you go, you're gonna stay with us and we'll see you in a minute right after the break. when we come back, one of our next guests calls this much, much worse in the watergate. we're go

department of justice. but what we saw were donald trump's repeated efforts to convert the entire united states department of justice into an instrument of his political corruption and big lie. so look, i think he's a one-man crime wave and he converted his desperate crusade to stay in office despite the fact he had clearly lost the election into a government-wide conspiracy where they were trying to go after state legislatures, state election officials, local election officials, department of just and say when each of these things was frustrated because there are real constitutional heros in this story and people who refuse to bulk under buckle under, finally, ended up going to the most desperate hail mary past. always the mob. violence. in an urt to coerce the vice-president in congress to do his will, that's the story that remains to be told. >> we did hear about the end of the individual in the justice department, that he was trying to use, as his vup for all of th jeffrey clark. we heard a lot with him.

many had been in the administration for the department of justice throughout the entire administration. while we heard the department of justice officials talking about how alarmed they were from the president's behavior, reporting they've also converted he never ordered them to break the law. do you agree with that, and how much does that impact merrick garland and the department of justice as they weigh charges? >> well, i can't comment, you know, from the department of justice and their perspective. that's not the purpose of this committee. it's a legislative committee. but what i would say is that, you know, the pressure was clear. all indications were out there that, you know, he's willing to do anything, essentially wipe away the leadership within his department of justice and replace it with someone who was wholly unqualified to hold that position. and someone who was truly a loyalist. another thing that was shocking to me as well was this call to the department of defense that was talked about with cache patel. someone else who came in very late in the administration who had a

host: from the efforts of the justice department, have we seen any imprisonments come from the justicespecifically to january 6? guest: yeah, so some of the people who committed offenses like consulting police officers, the more violent crimes have been getting prison time. others have been getting shorter sentences or time served. many of the charges we have seen our misdemeanor cases. it is a mixed bag of outcomes for a lot of these people. many have pleaded guilty interfacing shorter sentences or less punitive sentences because of that. but in the case of the proud boys and oath keepers, that is one where prosecutors will look at jail time if they're convicted. host: elizabeth in california, democrats line. caller: yeah, good morning, c-span. i noticed some of the colors calling in, such as the young lady from oklahoma, they don't see any connection between the insurrection outside of the building where people were using battery rams -- battering rams and throwing sharpened flagpoles like spears with what was happening inside the building. i think that is the point of what is coming

jeffre jeffrey clark who was totally unqualified was roaming around the justice department doing the president's bidding very dramatically behind the scenes. >> well, he was an acting-assistant attorney general of an entire component of the department of the civil division. so i don't want people to have the impression that he was some low-level attorney in the department. what is absolutely completely unprecedented is the fact that he was going behind the justice department's leadership, meeting directly with the president. that doesn't happen. >> you can't do that. >> exactly. that doesn't happen and so highly unusual, and that's why we we saw former-acting attorney general rosen testify the way that he did today when he found out about it. >> and can we add that also on the white house' call logs, they were already referring to jeffrey clark as the a acting attorney general? that is so incredibly rare for that to changed and a big question, of course, is when changed it to that? >> someone did, obviously. and he was totally unqualified as that clearly came through today. everybody,

resign if trump tried to install jeffrey clark atop of the justice department.ne final important point about clark here, judy, is that he went before the committee in private deposition, and he pled the fifth over and over again, so as not to incriminate himself. judy: it appears he didn't answer any of the -- any of the committee questions. lisa, i want to turn to you now. we learned more today about the role in all of this of several members of congress, didn't we? lisa: we heard a lot of accusations and witness testimony about roles of members of congress. and this speaks to exactly what laura was reporting about. how did someone who was lower level in the justice department, jeffrey clark, be poised to become attorney general at this important moment? and in that, we heard testimony again from the former deputy attorney general richard donoghue. he had this fascinating bit, judy, where he said -- he talked about a phone call he was on with president trump. and during that phone call, mr. donoghue took notes on a pad near his phone, because he wanted to recor

justice department must do so. department are asking why it does not appear to be investigating these allegations. the hearings point to a potential answer. the committee is laying a foundation upon which prosecutors could build in a subsequent investigation. you go on to write public hearings serve as subtle function. they permit the minds of american people to acculturate to the facts and evidence by laying out the facts that explain what mr. trump did, the january 6 hearings can in advance help acclimate the public to why the justice department has to take criminal action against the former president trump. the hearings may afford the department a deeper and public explanation of the reasoning than an indictment out of the blue would offer. public sentiment of this kind could help insolate the department against a claim that it is politically motivated. these hearings may prove to be a bridge between the justice department and the public. and neal, just in terms of your knowledge of the entire presidency that we'

judy: and michael, as someone that has worked at the justice department in two administration's. president told repeatedly that what he was looking at -- that there was no basis for any fraud but he continued to push his own justice officials to do this. is there anything like that that you have heard of in american history? reporter: no, this is unique to the president of the united states in this moment of time. when i listen to this evidence, can they prove knowledge and intent? the president of the united states acted with knowledge and intent to obstruct an official proceeding under fraud the united states. the evidence presented today was pretty compelling of that. there was a conversation that rosen recounts where he said -- the president told rosen, you are no going to do anything about this, sending the fraudulent fraud letter and rosen says, that is correct because constitutionally it is required not to do anything. that is, if we do what you are asking us to do we are violating the law. and yet the president insisted and was going to install clark whose house yesterday

deputy chief frank fernandez is a former chief of police and police practices expert for the justice department civil rights division since 2008. algeri certainly -- currently serves as someone who under sees the -- oversees the department in preparing officers for active shooter operation and response. the major served with the virginia state police that led to technical response as the director of the association and is a member of the i acp sector for training. lama gilroy is joining us remotely who has worked as a civilian executive dedicated to bridging the gap between officers and the communities they serve. sheriff john mina led the department after the shootings at pulse in 2016. -- was the architect of behavioral health response for the boston marathon funding. zeema led the response to the mass shooting at movie theater shootings in 2011. we are just heartbroken about what we can -- we're just heartbroken, but we can assess what happened. the justice department stands ready to participate and support the bipartisan negotiations going on in congress right now in any way possible. i wil

he views the justice department moving on its own track.gation will continue to move forward, regardless of what the justice department is doing and rejected the demands by the justice department to turn over those transcripts. >> we are not going to stop what we are doing to share the information that we have gotten so far with the department of justice. we have to do our work. >> reporter: so he was asked whether or not they would turn them over this week. he said no, but that does not mean we are going to cooperate. they have spoken to thor than 1,000 witnesses, jake. there's been a lot of questions about when those transcript also be released. thompson indicated they would eventually be released, but that could be months in the making. so it could turn out to further delay the justice department's investigation, which is why there are concerns. i asked the chairman whether or not his view had changed against making a referral to the justice department to investigate donald trump over his role over january 6th. he suggested that was not

trump's own attorney general, bill barr, seems to think charges are possible now, from the justice department, that he used to run, telling the "times" quote that the department is looking into all of this and this hearing definitely gave investigate areas lot to chew on. and now we may get to hear evidence straight from the guy inside the white house, who was so worried about the legal implications of trump's actions. this evening, the january 6th investigation has issued a subpoena to trump white house counsel pat cipollone. he did sit for an informal off camera interview with investigators in april, but the committee writes to him tonight, quote, in the weeks since the select committee has continued to obtain evidence about which you are uniquely positioned to testify. unfortunately, however, you have declined to cooperate with us further. we are left with no choice but to issue you this subpoena. now, as for the justice department, we know it has its own wide-ranging january 6th investigation go under way. issuing a flurry of subpoenas and key figures in the scheme trump and his allies en

himself pressured his own top justice officials to go along with his plan, and how they repeatedly resisted. trump also tried to install a loyalist to leave the department of justice, a man name jeffrey clark, who backed his false claims of fraud. former attorney general, jeffrey rosen, the man tried -- along with his former deputy, richard donahue, and another official, steven angle. we heard from donahue at yesterday's hearing. in a taped deposition, he told the story of a january 6th 2021 oval office meeting, where -- january 3rd, excuse me, oval office meeting, where he threatened to resign if trump made jeffrey clark attorney general. >> the president said, suppose i do this, suppose i replace him with jeff rosen, with jeff clark, what do you do? i said sir, i would resign immediately. there is no way i am serving one minute under this guy. jeff clark. >> donahue also told the committee the doj never found any credible evidence of fraud that could change the outcome of the election. we have also learned the panelists postponing hearings that were originally planned for next week into later july. >> we've taken in some additional information. that i

justice department hearings are like bad jt law&order" episodes normally. but as nicole was saying, this is like the apprentice, or the apprentice meets the bachelor. trump was telling the justice department to file fake briefs in the supreme court of the united states. trump is the one who's pressuring all these officials to cast doubt on the election. trump is the one trying to get jeffly clark to take the place of jeffrey rosen, the person who he put in as the acting attorney general because jeffrey rosen is not doing his bidding. time and again,s the trump. trump is hoping he can pin this on the paul eastmans of the world. the testimony today coupled with the testimony earlier, this is not like some eastman thing, this is not some people who invaded the capitol on their own. this is donald trump at the center. he's the hub of the criminal conspiracy. >> i am so struck now by where this january 3rd showdown in the oval office takes place in the time line of what we already know. it's saturday night around -- this is obviously when trump's nocturnal impul