. >> joining us with new insight into january 6th, maggie haberman. the headline of her report in "the times" reads before january 6th aide warned secret service of security risk to pence. she uncovered the story for her upcoming book, "confidence man": the day before a mob of donald trump's supporters stormed the capital on january 6th, 2021, vice president pence, mike pence's chief of staff called mr. pence's lead secret service agent is to his west wing office. the chief of standard had a message for the agent. tim gables, the president was going to turn publicly against the vice president and there could be a security risk to mr. pence because of it. maggie's with us now. what more can you tell us about that warning and what you learned about the events surrounding it? >> this is an extraordinary moment to think there's a chief of staff to a sitting vice president so concerned about the potential threat being created by a pressure campaign led and encouraged by the president who picked this vice president, it is jarring, and it just takes a minute

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. >> fascinating, maggie haberman, appreciate it, with the house hearings settle for next week, three of the best today, with bob woodward brought so much of the water gate scandal to light. bob is i'm himself, associate editor of the post, remarkable account of the days surrounding january 6th, carl is out with a great memoire, his coauthor of course with bob, of "all the president's men" out next week in a 50th anniversary edition with the relevance of watergate today and a joining us, star council to the water gate hearings and voice in the new rimg nl series, "watergate, blue print for a scandal" great to have you all on the series. who would have thought during watergate you would all be here talking about this. bob, you hear the reporting from maggie haberman, is there anything that compares, you have the chief of staff and president of the united states warning that the secret, the lead secret service age on then the vice-president's detail? >> what's very clear, the whole situation is potentially violent. remember, there were hang mike pence signs around there. where there wer

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. >> i'm joined now by "the new york times" maggie haberman who broke this story. ggie, what are you learning that ivanka trump said to cameras filming this documentary leading up to january 6th that differed from what she told the committee? >> sure, jake. what she told the committee in that snippet, and we should be clear that's one of the few pieces that they have released so far. she sat for a much longer interview. we don't know what else is there. she said that she was affected by bill barr, she respected him, et cetera. that was based on a statement bill barr made on december 1st, 2020, to the associated press where he said there was no widespread fraud that impacted the election, contrary to what the president was saying at the time, then president trump was furious with barr for saying it. nine days later, according to video that we have seen, ivanka trump was recorded by this filmmaker in an interview with him, this person making some kind of a documentary about trump and about people around trump, talking -- you know, asked her response to trump's view of

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evidence, to share their reporting and their insights, ryan nobles, tia mitchel, heidi przybyla, and maggie haberman of the new york times. it wasn't just what we learned that was new. it was who we learned it from that gives it credibility and power? >> that's right. the idea was there is a recognition that who was telling the story has mattered a lot when people are trying to convince trump supporters that something is true because he tells them everything is fake. what they decided to do was use the words of the former attorney general of the president's son-in-law of the president's daughter, and then in a ray of other campaign advisers, all of them painted the story of an election that clearly was lost, that was not stolen. that there was no there there, i think was the testimony from one witness. ivanka trump making clear she was swayed by what bill barr said, and jared kushner with what most trump officials thought was the most damning bit of testimony sounding as he was floating above it, but aware of what was happening. all of it painted to be -- to be clear, we knew this, but to the public

joining me now cnn political analyst and "new york times" senior political correspondent maggie habermanically the text messages made him sick, they are a road map, a road map to what? >> look, they clearly are a road map. i actually have had this conversation with people both working on the investigation and my own colleagues that if this committee did not have meadows texts, i'm not sure what they would have. they paint a clear portrait of what was being discussed, who he was talking to. where it all goes from here, we have seen some of the text messages, they are stunning. i assume there are others we haven't seen that we will learn about, but what it adds up to it after the public hearings, where this is all going i think is a big open question. there is no question that the events of january 6th were horrifying to watch. what happens? do people get held accountable? we know a lot of people involved in the riot have been charged. does anyone else get charged beyond contempt of congress? we'll see. >> what do you think the stakes are for next week. in some ways we have known the heari

this is from maggie haberman's upcoming book.to say mark short didn't already tell it to the committee and whether or not he's a witness during the public hearings, they still have all of that information at their disposal. it's also possible that he provide a document to back that up, maybe text messages at the time. there's all manner of ways that people communicate and document the things that they are telling other people. it's entirely possible that the committee already has their hands on that but certainly as we get closer to the public hearings reports like these are going to be things that are either being factored in in realtime because the committee is learning about them for the first time or alternatively they already know about them and it's an example of there are still things we don't know about january 6th they will present. >> ali, pete, chuck, thank you so much to the three of you. our thanks to betsy as well. we'll send her a new laptop for the skype link cyst we had those glitches. appreciate it. >>> next up

joining knee now is cnn political analyst and "new york times" senior political correspondent maggie habermant he wants is full kentuckying of what happened, though he opposes this committee that's holding these hearings tonight. >> opposes this committee and really just a huge kudos to my colleagues for getting these tapes. we know though that mccarthy was saying things to his caucus that he didn't live up to at all, that within two weeks of donald trump leaving office he went down to mar-a-lago to make peace with him. why? because kevin mccarthy wants to be speaker and this was seen adds the fastest way. donald trump was not getting off the scene. it was clear that the reaction in congress to what happened on january 6 was just not commensurate with the republican base and so kevin mccarthy moved on quickly and he hindered the work of this committee. he has shown very little interest in finding out exactly what happened and who is accountable and who should be held accountable for t it's startling to hear this audio. >> i want to play a little bit more of that jonathan and alex got here and

here with us, maggie haberman who broeg ke this story for "th new york times," senior political correspondent for "the new york times." you have actually seen this video. explain what it is and where what ivanka trump says fits in all of this. >> john, she was shown testifying before the house select committee in that video clip you just played saying that bill barr's statement, which was december 1st, 2020, affected her thinking. she really respected bill barr, bill barr said there is no widespread fraud. nine days later she sat with this filmmaker who was doing some kind of a documentary, legacy project, about donald trump, and he asked her her take on her father's claims about the election, which by then were still that it was stolen, that it was fraudulent, he was trying to get the results overturned and she said part of what you just showed that he should keep fighting, that he should exhaust every legal remedy, that people were questioning the quote, unquote sanctity of the elections process and she says this without acknowledging that part of why people were questioning it is because h

"the new york times" maggie haberman first reporting the details. >> she inc. -- endorsed the idea that he should continue fighting, that he should keep seeking every legal remedy were her words. >> reporter: that appears to be a different view from ivanka's recorded testimony to the january 6th committee. when she said she believed former attorney bill barr who said there was no evidence of widespread election fraud. >> i respect attorney general barr. so i accepted what he was saying. >> reporter: the committee's hearing yesterday focused on election officials in arizona and georgia. former president trump and his allies are accused of pressuring those officials to overturn the results. georgia election worker shaye moss and her mother ruby freeman were falsely accused of election tampering by trump and rudy giuliani. >> a lot of threats, wishing death upon me, saying things like, be glad it's 2020 and 1920. >> the president of the united states is supposed to represent every american, not to target one, but he targeted me. >> reporter: rusty bowers, arizona's republican speaker of th

maggie haberman has a book coming out. ok reporting. tell us about what's in it and what its implications are. >> one thing maggie is great about, when she gets a scoop she doesn't sit on it. she learned from her reporting that mark short had become increasingly aware and worried about what was happening with donald trump. you know, behind the scenes, president trump had been pressuring his vice president. he had these meetings with john eastman, bringing him into the white house to try to convince mike pence and the top attorney for the vice president greg jacob to go along with this plan to throw out the legitimate votes for joe biden in favor of illegitimate electors for donald trump, and it was getting nastier and nastier, and finally, it got so bad that short went to the secret service agent assigned to mike pence and raised it as a security issue the day before, and that ultimately proved prescient because as we know there was a great security risk on mike pence as we reported in the times recently as the protesters,

joining us senior political correspondent for "the new york times" maggie haberman. maggie, this is intriguing today. "a," it wasn't on the schedule. and we only learned it was cassidy hutchinson last night. and i think, c, we expected she was going to testify at some point. so why this surprise, unscheduled, all of a sudden, it's happening today? >> you're asking the $64 million question, john. we don't know the answer to that. why was this so important? why today, why the rush? on a week that members say they were happy to have this break because they needed to catch up because they amassed so much new evidence and spoken to witnesses and so forth. she was always expected to testify at one of the final hearings, if not the final hearing, about what donald trump was doing during this riot. why they're having her come forward now, especially after you heard testimony of hers played where she talked about requests for pardons from house members and some of those house members denied it, could it relate to that? we're going to find out. >> she switched lawyers moving aw

. >>> senior political correspondent maggie haberman. ggie, first, i want to get your perspective on the phone call. because i think we got very interesting details about this yesterday. the phone call between president trump and mike pence. it turned out there was a huge audience in the oval office for this thing and different people testified that he called pence the p word. he called him a wimp. he said i made a mistake by picking you as my running mate four or five years ago. what did you think about that call but also what does it mean? >> reporter: so a couple of things, brianna. number one, it's striking how much of the realtime reporting turned out to be true because you guys and we reported pieces of this as it was happening. we knew it was an important call. we didn't know in detail how it went down and how people were perceiving it, number one. number two, this is what took place at 11:20 in the morning. remember, mike pence foes to congress at 1:00 p.m. so this is the final conversation between these two men as donald trump is

maggie haberman reported just lack week how mike pence's chief of staff told pence's lead secret servicegoing to turn publicly against pence and there could be a security risk. it really is astounding how much we're still learning and trump's apparent direct role in all of it. >> number one, trump's direct role, but number two, the importance of these senior staffers around mike pence and donald trump who can't testify. mike short as pence's chief of staff is senior enough he would have seen or heard everything that mike pence was privy, too but still not an elected official, and someone we're likely to hear from. and those are the folks. these people can really help clarify the story, and filling in facts around the president. so we'll see. i think we'd be likely to hear their testimony, and we'll get more on that in the days to come. elliot, always a pleasure, thank you. >>> a retired judge found zip-tied and shot dead in wisconsin. but that's not all, the alleged killer reportedly had a his of more targets. the wisconsin attorney general is here next. not that one. that's the one. at

now we know pence's former chief of staff, marc short, we know from maggie haberman's great reporting told the committee -- told the secret service about a concern he had. interesting to see what impact that kind of testimony has in terms of does trump lash out at pence directly? lash out at some of the people in his, in pence's world defending him or attacking the former president? really also remains to be seen how the committee features testimony from people like short. we know, again, they've asked him to come in and serve as a witness during these public hearings but don't know how it will look. >> seen high-profile members of the former administration refusing to cooperate, but there may be aides who worked for some of those high-profile former members who might be participating in these hearings and is something to watch. zachary cohen. thank you. >>> joining me, one of the officers who defended the capitol january 6th against the mob that would go on to drag, beat and tase him. former d.c. metropolitan police department officer and cnn law enforcement analyst michael fanone. y

. >> and carl, "new york times" reported, maggie haberman and his colleague reported emails that john eastman, the architect of this crazy theory that pence could overturn the election, he sent about the supreme court before january 6th. and one said so the odds are not based on the legal merits but an assessment of the justices' spines and i said there's a heating fight under way. he added for those willing to do their duty, we should help them by giving them a wisconsin cert position to add to the mix. eastman seems to have insight, insight that it was not common knowledge at all. >> the obvious suggestion but we don't know if the suggestion is true or not, is that there was a discussion between clarence thomas about what the court may be doing and his wife. so what did the justice know, and what did his wife know? and when did each of them know it? that's a really relevant question. in watergate, it was about the president. this is about the president, but it's -- ex-president, but it also at this point is about a supreme court justice and it needs to be investigated, and it will.

you and your colleague maggie haberman are supporting on the cipollone subpoena tonight. he has been resisting former testimony, as liz cheney has been ramping up the public pressure. what do we know about his willingness to cooperate now? >> we know that the committee's subpoena puts extra -- on cipollone to testify. my understanding is that as we speak there are negotiations that have started about what he would be willing to talk about, were he to come in. apparently, he's not willing to talk about anything -- direct conversations with donald trump. and [inaudible] some other topics could perhaps be on the table. that similar to an arrangement that other lawyers for donald trump have agreed to. they have not talked about direct conversations with the president but have been able to talk about other things. pat cipollone did come in and to meet with the committee informally. months ago. but it was not transcribed, it was not under oath. and they really want -- they think he is such a key witness. he was in the room for some of the biggest decisions in the buildup to jan

let's discuss this with cnn political analyst, maggie haberman.how everyone around the former president, but based on your reporting, it sounds like trump had no desire at all to make it stop, did he? >> no. that's right, wolf. what we have learned you know since then is that in real there's time, we saw that trump tweeted an admonition of the vice president, mike pence, at 2:24 that day as he was being hustled out of the senate chamber. we've learned that the committee has gotten testimony that mark meadows relayed to colleagues that trump was complaining that pence had been taken to safety and was you know, saying something to the effect of perhaps pence should be hanged, you know. you hear that, no, it's not a surprise that there was not only not more action publicly by the former president, but that meadows was not responding to people. >> it's one thing for these former trump administration officials to speak privately with the committee, but it would be another thing entirely for them to speak out publicly now. to speak to the american peopl

maggie haberman, a contributor here at the network and of "the new york times," norm, just tweeted that a lawyer familiar with this said of course a subpoena was necessary before the former white house counsel could consider transcribed testimony before the committee. he's previously provided an informal interview with the request. now that a subpoena has been issued, the matter also be evaluated. what do you hear when you hear that? it seems to me that is sort of what dana is suggesting. >> yeah, i hear the game show that we all grew up with, erin, "let's make a deal." you know, there's pat and his counsel are now going to attempt to establish the parameters. they'll make decisions do they want to preemptively rush to court like mark meadows did. do they want to roll the dice, do they want to assert prifvilee the committee, or does pat want to do his duty? he is a working lawyer, he has sworn an oath to defend the constitution. we have seen the most serious attack on our government in generations. never before from the oval office. he has critical information about that. he has a duty

but maggie haberman of the new york york times is reporting trump reportedly said it would anger suburbanomen. there are many independents ask even republicans who don't support this decision. so, again, same question but a different -- i am posing it a different way. do you think republicans are going to pay a price for that? >> well, look, if he truly felt that way, he would not have opinion so vocal and so adamant about appointing the justices that he appointed to the supreme court, that -- the -- the goal and the hope was for this day that we had today. for them to overturn roe v. wade. >> but to the heart of -- i understand what you said -- do you think it is going to anger republican women? because there are republican women who support the right to choose. there are independent -- lots of independent women not just women but people all across the country, do you think republicans are going to pay the price come november of 2022 and november of 2024? >> i truly don't, don, because republicans have been fighting for this day for decades. and look. this is going to mobilize -- >> i'm

york times" has new reporting about ivanka trump and what she told a film crew, according to maggie haberman wrote the story. ivanka trump told that film crew that her father should continue to fight until every legal remedy was exhausted because a lot of americans were questioning the sanctity of the americans. this seems to contradict what she told the committee about how she took attorney general bill barr's announcement that there is no significant voter fraud. can you confirm this is true, and will we see any of this video from this documentary filmmaker at thursday's hearing? >> we're not going to talk about specific evidence that the committee has in its possession, but what i can tell you is that the investigative piece of this puzzle continues to be evolving. we've said that from the beginning, that as we learn new information and take in more evidence, that we're going to continue to adapt to that. what i can tell you, though, is that when people are deposed, they take an oath. it's our understanding and it's our hope, like any american, someone would be truthful when they are bein

as maggie haberman reports in the new york times, ivanka trump colleagues have recalled her being among those urging white house staff members to fight, even as it became clear that her father would most likely lose. her husband, jared kushner, was also senior advising the white house, and attended several meetings about postelection strategy, with a range of political and west wing advisors as well as lawyers like rudy giuliani. but they both admitted to the committee, again, under oath, when forced to, in testimony we finally got to see of the past few days, that they knew it was all nonsense. >> this is the presidents daughter, commenting on bill barr's statement that the department found no fraud sufficient to overturn the election. >> how did that affect your perspective about the election, when donald trump attorney general barr made that statement? >> it affected my perspective. i respect attorney general barr. so, i accepted what he was saying. >> did you ever share, mr. kushner, your view of giuliani -- did you ever share your perspective about him with the president? >> i gues

and maggie haberman has a good piece in the times today saying what he says privately and what he says publicly are at odds. and that privately he's worried as that tweet just evidenced that maybe in suburbia this plays poorly for the gop. we'll find out. >>> okay. you already know the survey question because i gave a sneak peek to joan. but here it is, go to smerconish.com and tell me, is the overturning of roe versus wade a one-off, meaning it was just those facts, it was just that case, or is this just the beginning? is clarence thomas going to get his wish? that's really what i'm asking. >>> up ahead, gun proponents say the best solution to a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun. but what does the data say? we now know. >>> plus, watch out donald. here comes ronald. florida governor ron desantis winning polls and seeming more and more like a trump alternative without some of the baggage. will he be the gop nominee in 2024? we'll start that conversation. >>> and arizona state house speaker rusty bowers testified before the select committee this week. he was one of the few re

. >> and i have to ask you about those "new york times" report from maggie haberman that the day before the capitol attack then vice president pence's top staffer mark short warned the secret service that donald trump was going to turn on pence publicly which would create a security risk for the vice president. the secret service official we've been noting all day has disputed this. what do you make of that? to me the real question is -- and i think you were hinting at this just a few moments ago -- is what kind of message does this send long-term? if every -- okay, let's say you have some hearings, and yes, they are dramatic and the heat is really turned up during the testimony and so on, but if nobody is ultimately held accountable, doesn't that send a terrible message to the country and set the stage for future election shenanigans and criminality? >> if there is not accountability at the very top, jim, i'm afraid that we may -- we may have seen, you know, the last transfer of power between parties that the republicans would ever allow. they do not seem to have learned the right less

but maggie haberman of the new york york times is reporting trump reportedly said it would anger suburbane many independents ask even republicans who don't support this decision. so, again, same question but a different -- i am posing it a different way. do you think republicans are going to pay a price for that? >> well, look, if he truly felt that way, he would not have opinion so vocal and so adamant about appointing the justices that he appointed to the supreme court, that -- the -- the goal and the hope was for this day that we had today. for them to overturn roe v. wade. >> but to the heart of -- i understand what you said -- do you think it is going to anger republican women? because there are republican women who support the right to choose. there are independent -- lots of independent women not just women but people all across the country, do you think republicans are going to pay the price come november of 2022 and november of 2024? >> i truly don't, don, because republicans have been fighting for this day for decades. and look. this is going to mobilize -- >> i'm sorry, i meant

as maggie haberman reports in the new york times, on january 5th, the day before the insurrection, quote, marc short called pence's lead secret service agent to the west wing office. the chief of staff, for mike pence, had a message hat for the agent. the message that trump was going to publicly turn against the vice president and there could be a security risk to mike pence because of it. you've got that right. didn't he? mike pence knew what his boss was capable of. and he was, one could deduce, scared. he was, as far as we can tell, horrified about what's happening, so much so that pence's chief of staff reach out to pence's security detail with concerns, again, about pence's personal safety, as he is in that building, as the mob is shouting, hang mike pence, as trump is doing nothing to stop them. and yet ultimately, the vice president stayed and did the right thing. that's in spite of the risk. and that comes on top of more reporting from the times that while the angry mob was storming the capitol enchanting, famously, hang mike pence, trump was at the very least, open to the idea.

at play that we all say live on television on january 6th but there's also new reporting from maggie habermans" before january 6th an aide to vice president pence was warned and warned of a security warning to vice president pence. the day before a mob of trump trump supporters stormed the capital on january 6th, vice president mike pence's chief of staff called mr. pence's lead secret service that there would be a security risk to him because of it. people were chanting hang mike pence and what does it is do to all of these defendants and does it creep closer to the white house to know that people knew that mike pence's life was likely in danger. >> yeah, it does absolutely creep closer to the white house and makes its way directly into the oval office. all of these insurrectionists who are being tried and convicted. they can claim i was only following my president's orders but that's not a legal defense. it may be relevant to their sentence in the event of conviction, but it is not a defense, but when we hear reporting, joy, like donald trump saying things like perhaps mike pence should be

as maggie haberman reports in the new york times, on january 5th, the day before the insurrection, quote, marc short called pence's lead secret service agent to the west wing office. the chief of staff for mike pence had a message for the agent. the message that trump was going to publicly turn against the vice president and there could be a security risk to mike pence because of it. you've got that right. didn't he? mike pence knew what his boss was capable of. and he was, one could deduce, scared. he was, as far as we can tell, horrified about what's happening, so much so that pence's chief of staff reach out to pence's security detail with concerns, again, about pence's personal safety, as he is in that building, as the mob is shouting, hang mike pence, as trump is doing nothing to stop them. and yet ultimately, the vice president stayed and did the right thing. that's in spite of the risk. and that comes on top of more reporting from the times that while the angry mob was storming the capitol enchanting, famously, hang mike pence, trump was at the very least, open to the idea. quote,

think that would factor into an argument there was intent, coupled with the fact that i think maggie haberman laid it out well in her "time "times" piece over the weekend, the president said so many different things after that, it could make it muddled and hard to prove intent. >> right, so, poppy, i think her statement certainly is an important fact. she was a firsthand witness, and so if she were to provide that statement under oath in testimony, whether it would be to congress or whether it would be in a future justice department investigation, if that were to take place, then her statement would be an important fact, an important piece of evidence. but i think there is the bigger picture, which is whether or not the justice department moves forward on this case also depends on whether the justice department thinks that it could win. so we have to separate out the january 6th committee investigation, which is a political process, versus the prosecutorial decisions that need to be made in the justice department in which they need to have a basis, this goes for any criminal case, they need t

maggie haberman reports this footage, some of which you see here, is causing anxiety for the trump family. the filmmaker has already handed over his interviews with trump, his adult children and former vice president mike pence to the house select committee. what we have for first time this morning is the documentary's trailer. >> okay? >> my father -- >> he's very honest and he is who he is. >> he believes everything that he's doing is right. >> i think i treat people well, unless they don't treat me well, in which case you go to war. >> can we talk about january 6th? >> yeah. >> on top of that, cnn has also learned this morning that the former acting attorney general jeffrey rosen will testify today that while he was there, the justice department was, quote, presented with no evidence of widespread voter fraud. he also says, quote, some argued to the former president in the public that the election was corrupt and stolen. that view was wrong then, and it is wrong today. that comes as the justice department is now ramping up its criminal investigation into the fake electors scheme that w

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. >> maggie haberman reports there's anxiety within the trump family about what they said in the filmhere be? >> i think there should be anxiety from any presidential team or family that is under cameras for months and kind of forgetting that the cameras are rolling sometimes because you never know what you're going to say. so it's remarkable that alex holder was granted this access, especially after michael wolf was given similar access and wrote a tell-all book. what they were thinking when they allowed a filmmaker in there i don't know. >> did alexa lou trump's team editorial control or input? did they ever ask for it? >> absolutely not. in fact, the opposite. alex said at the beginning i could only do this if i had -- if i, alex, had full editorial control because i'm a journalist. >> are you concerned for alex's safety? >> a little bit. we have a security detail following -- with him at all times. >> has he gotten threats? >> not direct threats, just wild statements about him from the left and the right, extreme left and extreme right about him. >> how problematic do you think th

abby phillip and cnn political analyst at "the new york times," senior political correspondent maggie haberman. seditious conspiracy charges against the proud boys at the very time we learn that the committee will be surrounding the events concerning the proud boys. >> it is very significant in a number of ways. i think a lot of people, especially democrats have been watching to see what is the justice department going to do? are they going to take that extra step which requires just a higher burden of proof on the sedition part of it and they did. and it is coming at the same time that what it seems like the january 6th committee is about to do is show behind the scenes what the planning was, what the prethought was, about what the proud boys might have wanted to do to stop this certification of the election. the idea here is to show that this wasn't just a spontaneous combustion, but a plan all along by people who plotted prior to january 6th to do whatever it took to make sure that the electors were not certified on that day. >> what do you think about that? why do you think the committee m

we're joined by chris christie, donna brazile, maggie haberman and julie pace. julie, let me begin with you, the bipartisan talks are going to continue this week, not a lot of hope for those talks. >> there's really not. you hear president biden saying, we can't let this follow the pattern after the past. it feels like we're going to follow that pattern. if you look state by state, new york, rachel mentioned new york in her package, i think there's some potential action at the state level, but at the federal level we're stuck right now, there's very little willingness from the republican party to take any significant action. >> chris christie, if you were governor of new jersey, what would you be doing? >> look, our gun laws are probably among the top two, three strictest in the country among the states. in new jersey we probably wouldn't be doing much. we haven't had a significant issue with that kind of gun violence in that state. other states are significantly different than new jersey's are. new jersey's laws are pretty strict. >> donna, we saw the president

joining us now, cnn political analyst maggie haberman and -- senior political correspondent for "the new york times," i should add, and national correspondent at "the washington post," philip buck. the trump campaign or post trump campaign was trying to raise money off of the big lie. we since learned from her interview with jake and other people afterwards that the committee found information that kimberly guilfoyle was paid $60,000 to speak at the rally on january 6th. $60,000 for a speech that was, what, three minutes -- >> if that. >> three minutes long. and what have you heard over the last several hours since that revelation about how people in trump world feel about this? >> i want to say two things about that. people in trump world are sharing that clip, they are aghast that this is the amount of money she got for a speech to introduce her boyfriend. they couldn't really get over -- i had one former adviser say to me essentially these were folks raising money in small amounts from retirees telling them this was going to some legal fight that didn't really happen and instead k

yeah, my colleagues, maggie haberman, for example, have been reporting all day that the former president upset, because part of what has happened here is that we've got republicans in his own administration who are telling on him, telling truth on him, and so it's very difficult to contradict what they're saying. but i think there's a few things that are really disturbing that stand out to me in a narrative sense. you know, one is just the extent to which we have learned that trump sought to actually use the machinations and infrastructure of democracy to steal that democracy from the american people. how close we came is another thing to kind of reflect upon. i mean, really, the only thing that stood between the lack of transfer of power and what we have today, thank god, is a few good public servants. and i think we saw some of those public servants today. we saw them earlier this week. that should in some way be encouraging that there are good public servants, but you also have to kind of take a lesson from that that we can't just rely on institutions alone to protect the democracy. >

. >> ahead you will hear more from riggleman and we will speak with maggie haberman about the new revelationssecretary of state brad raffensperger is set to appear before a grand jury today to give testimony on whether former president donald trump and his allies committed crimes in their efforts to overturn the 2020 election in that state. in early january of last year then president trump was caught on tape asking raffensperger to find enough votes for him to win the state of georgia. >> all i want to do is this, i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. >> let's go down to the fulton county courthouse in atlanta, cnn political correspondent sara murray is there. that reporting at the center of all of this. >> reporter: it is and, you know, brad raffensperger is scheduled to testify today before the grand jury, he is a central witness in fulton county district attorney fannie willis' investigation. let's listen more to that infamous call that set this whole thing off. >> the people of georgia are angry. the people of the country are angry. a

i will say one thing in relation to the secret service, maggie haberman wrote that story, there is zero chance it's wrong. zero chance. if she put it in the paper, you know that's true, and that's a pretty stunning story, you know, and we're going to see more of this in the next six weeks coming out of these hearings. i honestly believe that, jim. >> yeah, and it does -- i think maggie's reporting also dove tails with some of the other testimony that's already come in, meadows, mark meadows, the chief of staff was warned before january 6th that there could be violence on january 6th. there were warnings that were -- they weren't being circulated publicly, but they were certainly being circulated privately. >> yes, and you know, and everything that i see that i read that people tell me, these are some highly competent people on this committee, and they have very competent staff and very good lawyers, you know, and i would -- anybody that thinks they're going to go up there and lie and try to shade something, i would ask them -- i would advise strongly against that because these people ar

as maggie haberman reports in the new york times, on january 5th, one before all this goes down, marc short, the chief of staff, called the league secret service agent to the west wing office. come here, i have to talk to you. the chief of staff had a message for the agent. the president, trump, who is going to turn publicly against the vice president. and there could be a security risk to pence because of it. just take a second to digest this. we have gotten used to a lot of this. by the vice presidents chief of staff, on january 5th, the day before january 6th, thought the vice president was going to be put in physical danger because of the president. because the president would go after him publicly in a way that would target hand and incite violence towards him. and guess what? it's a pretty good prediction. right? pretty prescient! pretty prescient warning. and highly valid. in fact, we now know, also from reporting from the time, that while the angry mob was storming the capitol, chanting, hang mike pence, trump was at the very least open to the idea. quote, trump chief of staff

"the new york times," maggie haberman, reports that on january 5th mark short brought the head of pence'setail to his office and told him, quote, the president was going to turn publicly against the vice president and there could be a security risk to mr. pence because of it. a source tells cnn that account is accurate, however, it's important to note and maggie's story points this out, that mark short didn't know what form the threat would take. he couldn't define what the threat would look like and that's important when you consider that the secret service is pushing back on this narrative. the secret service says that the agency had no dodge of that conversation according to people with firsthand knowledge at the time there was never any physical threat of any kind communicated about the vice president. eventually it is very likely we're going to get a lot more detail to square these differing accounts because we know that mark short is very likely to testify publicly, "the new york times" reports that he was asked about this during past testimony. we also know that several members of

this is footage that maggie haberman reports is causing anxiety for the trump family.he british documentary filmmaker has handed over his interviews with former president trump, his adult children and former vice president mike pence to the house select committee and will be meeting with them behind closed doors today. what we have now for the first time is this film's trailer. >> okay. >> my father, he is very honest and he is who he is. >> he believes everything that he's doing is right. >> i think i treat people well, unless you don't treat me well, in which case you go to war. >> can we talk for a minute about january 6. >> no. >> cnn has also just learned this morning that the former acting attorney general jeffrey rosen will testify today that while he was there the justice department was, quote, presented with no evidence of widespread voter fraud in a scale sufficient to change the outcome of the 2020 election. he will also say that, quote, some argued to the former president and public that the election was corrupt and stolen. that view was wrong then and it i

comment and neither did a spokesperson for former vice president pence, a terrific scoop there from maggie habermanus now congressional reporter for the guardian, hugo, good to see you this morning. this report here about pence, the indictment of navarro, comes against the backdrop of the oncoming january 6th committee hearing scheduled for this week in prime time. your latest report for the guardian breaks down what we should expect. give us a sense of it. >> yes, so, as a broad brush stroke level, what they're looking to do is two-fold, according to my sources. which is number one, show how the select committee council got to the conclusion that donald trump, defrauded the united states, and obstructed a congressional proceeding. and number two, it is to show the american public how the capitol attack and what trump planned with the appearance on january 6th was a broader effort to overturn the 2020 election. it is going to be the first hearing, we are expected to see opening arguments, a road map for how the rest of the hearings should go. and then they are going to get straight into the evidenc