the mueller investigation lasted yes than two years, the counter mueller investigation has lasted moreee years. it's only prompted charges of three, people including a former attorney with ties to democrats nate named michael salzman, and the whole case hinged on whether or not he'd lied about represented another party when he first reported a tip to the fbi about a russia investigation. that's, it that was the whole case. today he was fully acquitted. danya perry is the former a deputy senator of a u.s. state, and also former assistant u.s. attorney, she joins me now. i know you've been tracking this case very closely, what was the case ultimately? >> well ultimately it was a big clunker. start with a big bang, and ended with a deafening thud today. as you pointed out, the special counsel was brought in under then attorney general barr, to investigate the investigators. it really was to try to examine the supposedly cozy ties between the clinton campaign and the fbi. and what they came up with, as you said, it's a whole lot of nothing. they indicted michael sussmann, who is not exactl

but as you know mueller, he came in talked to me. i saw that there were signs of he was not the same old bob mueller i worked with before and was friends over the years work he came in with this finding note, not to my surprise, no collusion. he tried to punt on the issue of obstruction just throw out all of these facts and verbiage. over 200 pages of stuff that come to no conclusion. so, i asked him when he told me, i said, someone make a decision based on your report. he said yes, someone could make a decision as to whether there was a prosecutable offense. after he gave me the report, here is one things, media claims that i lied about the report, anyone that can read english language will know that is crazy. i told mueller, here is the problem, if you give me the report, then i can't make public quickly, in say delay, the country will be at risk, everyone will think that is because of president is about to be prosecuted. and that will hurt our national security. stock market and so forth, the economy. so, if you give me that repor

they will be moved by the dramatic testimony of mueller.se, you get the answers, very measured on unexciting testimony. some thought he was really fully engaged in the report. that's why they're trying to avoid that this time. even more than the richmond hearing, even more than the mueller hearings, what they want to do is captivate an audience that become used to a part of politics. it's not entertaining what happened on january 6th, but it has to be company compelling and trying to get across the drama and the consequences, and the gravity and the meaning of what happened. they have to use entertainment techniques to do, in order to tell a story that is meaningful to democracy, if they want to do that, that's the goal that they're seeking to do. >> here's the problem. the mueller report was filled with horribly damning things. the problem is, there were no consequences. >> exactly right, stephanie. and again, i think that's the real charge for the committee here, how to make people understand how to link up all of this information into a

mueller and mr. lewis to give me an idea especially in maybe the near west, are you in as bad a shape or impending as what we see through places like california, where i don't know how owning a farm there would look like you could say that's a long-term enterprise, you know, when you literally could run out of water. how far east is that situation for all of us to be concerned about in terms of what the future holds? >> maybe i can take that and then we can move further to kansas. i would tell you that our farmers in the high mountains of colorado, our ranchers and farmers deal with drought. they are used to dealing with drought on a fairly regular basis. many of our districts are direct supply districts. we don't have the benefit of ground water in our area. we're very heavily reliant on surface water, snow run off. our farmers understand and our rancher understand that when they look up at the mountains, and they see a dry year, they are used to saying well, that back 40 that's not as productive, i

i told mueller. look, here's the problem. if you give me the report that i can't make public very quickly and there's a delay. the country is going to be at risk. everyone will think that's because the president's about to be prosecuted and that will hurt our national security the stock market and so forth the economy. so if you give me that report, you have to already indicate in the report what has to be redacted under the law. there's some things illegally have to be redacted. i said, i'm not going to know what they are. you guys have to tell us. he said he understood but when he gave us the report, he did not indicate any of that stuff. so i knew we were talking about it two or three week delay. in that situation. i thought the only responsible thing to do was to tell the public the bottom line there were news reports that friday going into the weekend that the president was about to be indicted and his family and there was all you know, the press was all roiling. and so i said, you know the pub i'm going to tell the publ

but as you know mueller as i described in the book, mueller came in, he talked to me. i saw he was certainly not the same old bob miller i had worked with before and i had been friends over the years with. he came in with this and note not to my city prize but no collusion.ag he tried to punt on obstruction throughout facts and verbiage over 200 pages of stuff but come to no conclusion. so i asked him he told me what is going to do, and so mightd make a decision based on your report? and she said yes, someone could make a decision as to whether there there is a prosecutable offense. thefter he gave me report -- connectors one of things that media claimed i lied about the report. i think anyone can read the english language are no that is crazy. i told mueller look, here's the problem if you give me the report and i cannot make public very quickly and there's a delai the country is going to be at risk. everyone is going to think the president is about to be prosecuted paired that will hurt worse security, the stock market, the economy. if you give me that report you hav

the original mueller investigation, and we should, now the mueller investigation actually produced 34 produced multiple convictions, and guilty pleas to show for its work. but this month, john durham finally took the case to trial for the first time in three years, it wasn't to charge members of the obama administration or the fbi for doing possibly things the trump. no. quite the opposite. he lost a single charge against the lawyer connected to hillary clinton's 2016 campaign, one extreme, extremely tenuous charge of lying to the fbi. and today, it took the jury just six hours to unanimously acquit that lawyer of any wrongdoing. john durham finally had his moments in court, and he lost. badly. the jury forewoman told reporters outside the courthouse quote, i think we could have spent our time more wisely. ouch. as the investigation anime sputters the investigation into trump and his allies appears to actually be gaining steam. former trump advisor peter navarro revealed that he was served as -- related to the january 6th attack on the capitol. peter navarro has already received one s

report. -- >> and the mueller report had prosecutable evidence in it, the mueller report laid out allusion, by various members of the trump administration and the trump campaign team. nothing ultimately was done to bring donald trump to heal for that. the door durham, the durham investigation is just a short wait in comparison to what mueller did. let's not forget about all of the shenanigans of michael flynn that got deflated this. week it's a couple of big losses for team trump this week on those both of those issues. >> tim o'brien and david -- thank you for joining us. >> tonight's last word is next. i love all types of dancing... salsa, and even belly dancing! i am a triathlete. i've always been into health, and wellness, and fitness... i tried everything with diet and exercise, and nothing worked. there was just kinda this stubborn area on my stomach. but coolsculpting worked for me! coolsculpting targets, freezes and eliminates treated fat for good. no needles, no incisions. discuss coolsculpting with your provider. some common side effects include temporary numbness, discomf

report. -- >> and the mueller report had prosecutable evidence in it, the mueller report laid out a. and collusion, by various members of the trump administration and the trump campaign team. nothing ultimately was done to bring donald trump to heal for that. the door durham, the durham investigation is just a short wait in comparison to what mueller did. let's not forget about all of the shenanigans of michael flynn that got deflated this. week it's a couple of big losses for team trump this week on those both of those issues. >> tim o'brien and david -- thank you for joining us. >> tonight's last word is next. ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ ♪i'm a ram♪ by chris stapleton expectations come with the territory. ♪♪ but raising expectations. that comes with determination. pushing ourselves further. lifting others even higher. ♪♪ and knowing that recognition isn't given. it's earned. ram j.d. power's #1 brand in new vehicle quality. ♪♪ you know liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need? oh, like how i customized this scarf? wow, first time? ch

so if sessions is forced out, trump could appoint an attorney general who would fire mueller. >> when importance of the saturday night massacre was, i think about jeff session. whatever you think about the way he led the justice department, there is a lot to criticize there, the one thing that he did was ethical and sound and moral, he recused himself from the entire russia probe. and that is one of the things that led to the appointment of an independent counsel. watergate and other moments of scandal and other events that show the fragility of democracy show something else too, the power and honor and strength of good people. here we go... remember, mom's a kayak denier, so please don't bring it up. bring what up, kayak? excuse me? do the research, todd. listen to me, kayak searches hundreds of travel sites to find you great deals on flights, cars and hotels. they're lying to you! who's they? kayak? arr! open your eyes! compare hundreds of travel sites at once. kayak. search one and done. hitting the road, not all 5g networks are created equal. t-mobile covers more highway miles wit

he is a sane agent who robert mueller added to the mueller investigative team is one of the lead investigators everyone and law enforcement became part of the mueller investigation were aware from day one, maria, this whole trump russia investigation that was playing out over years to the american people was created by the hillary clinton campaign. again to make that point, 387 page report not one single word about the fact the origins of this came from the clinton campaign. that was deliberate, that was willful, that was political, it was intentional. think the american people see that now put that is whator is important about john durham continuing in the face of this notwithstanding what individual stories will do but will tell the story to the american people. accountability is going to have to come from the american people themselves. in november and 2024. in holding the officials accountable from the democratic party that we are involved. and from the fbi that were involved that were clearly acting on behalf to advance a democratic progressive liberal agenda. ♪. maria: is there anything

the thing that was elusive covering the mueller investigation and then elusive to mueller himself was knowledge of trump's intent. you have the testimony from the trump end of the trump-pence phone call we know what trump's intent was. it was that mike pence overturn the will of the voters and know who wrote it, john eastman, and unconstitutional. he said he would lose 0-9 in the u.s. supreme court. >> it is 100% bankrupt and that was the whole thing that they were going forward on. as i say many different crimes but really the true sort of scenario and this is what i want to say about the mueller report. there was a lot in the mueller report and because of the way it was handled by the attorney general and congress we never got to play it out in a vivid detail. these hearings so valuable because they have taken the sort of sketched charges we have been aware of and put them into such vivid relief that can't be ignored. i think you find basically silence from the mccarthys and the jordans in the world and the revelations you're left speechless and it's indefensible what's been laid ou

added to the mueller investigative team as one of the lead investigators.ery beginning, it shows that the fbi and everyone in law enforcement that then became part of the mueller investigation were aware from day one with, maria, that this whole trump-russia investigation that was playing out over years to the american people was created by the hillary clinton campaign. and, again, to make that point 387-page report and not one single word about the fact that the origins of this came from the clinton campaign. that was deliberate, it was the willful, it was political, it was intentional, and i think the american people see that now, and that's what's important about john durham continuing in the face of this notwithstanding what individual juries will do, but to tell this story to the american people. you know, accountability, maria, i think is going to have to come from the american people themselves in november in 2022 and in 2024, in holding the, you know, officials accountable from the democratic party that were involved and from the fbi that were invol

mike, you covered the mueller moeb. i believe robert mueller looked into witness tampering.p and then flipped back. i want to ask all of you how that obscures our ability to get at the truth. mike, you first. >> look, it's pretty chilling, and it really echoed with what went on in the mueller investigation. there's a tape that came out of the president's lawyer during the mueller investigation calling mike flynn's lawyer and saying essentially the same type of things that liz cheney was putting up that the witnesses were testifying about, the overtures that were made to them, and it's a tactic that can obviously be very effective. it can be very chilling, and the thing that i found particularly interesting -- and i'm curious about is that the junior white house aides who do not have the resources that older folks in trump's orbit may have have been the real key witnesses here. and, you know, was this pressure directly on those more junior folks who may not be able to afford a high paying lawyer, may have to rely on someone else paying for the lawyer for them. you know, what

or listened to incredibly arcane and nuanced testimony from someone like mueller. so i think this is exactly right. this is about plainspoken, common sense approaches to putting together what is actually a quite spiraling, and desperate case. they need to show that this is not just some disembodied and bad. what happened at the capitol, and what was happening in the oval office. this was an entire enterprise rotten that the core. and the roth began, and what we say play out at the capitol, was merely a manifestation of what the president was orchestrating. and to be really clear with the american public, that threat has not abated. the insurrection is over, but the threat persists. it's a fundamental, existential threat to democracy. >> glenn, a former trump aide, peter navarro, has been indicted for contempt of congress. what is your reaction to this news as we are a week away from these public hearings? >> yeah, on the criminal referral for contempt of congress front, it looks like it's two down and two to go. because, congress has referred for people, i think at

it led to mueller -- howard: well, there was the mueller information. -- investigation. >> right. tv. remember, they tried this before during the mole mule -- whole mueller, remember, they were going to bring the mueller report to life even though it was clear there was no involvement between trump and russia. but they continued to push that narrative. they're not allowing the minority party to put on people they that they want, never happened before in my knowledge, and then they bring in a hollywood producer? if with we did that, if republicans did that when i was in congress, we would be appropriately ridiculed and mocked and and laughed, and we would be forced to shut this down. howard: the produce you are you're referring to is a former abc news president. for example, all those sessions on benghazi, very, very important subject but at the same time, service seen as a way of roughing up hillary clinton. >> yeah, well, look, people were, you know, died in benghaz- howard: yes, i'm not minimizing the importance any way. >> remember also at the same time, those hearings were con

but durham probe has now lasted longer than the mueller probe.ious indictments, charges, convictions, that the mueller probe brought on. how long can durham continue with this probe and could he drag this out indefinitely? because, again, democrats are sitting here watching us. they are being very respectful, they are not calling it a witch hunt. they are not calling it a waste of time. not in the same way that republicans attacked the mueller probe and undermined it for the two years that it ran. >> yeah, look, i think democrats are being very smart. first of all, we largely know that there is no there, there, to this republican conspiracy theory. also, what democrats know, ayman, is that the more republicans talk about hillary clinton and joe biden's stealing of the 2020 election, the russia investigation, also things. they are so far off the message from where they should be in this cycle. right? the republicans in this cycle actually probably have a net edge going into november if they would just focus on the contrast between joe biden's favo

barr said i'm going to give you a summary of the mueller report.were a little boat in the middle of the ocean in the pitch black. you never knew what was going to jump out and bite you, where you were going. whatever he gave us was all we had. we had no time to fact-check it or get the context because we didn't have the full report. that is a symptom of the media world that we live anywhere we're covering everything live, live, live, now, now, now. i know we'd like to go back to a time where we could take a breath and not cover it, and that would be wonderful. if we didn't cover it, we'd have other outlets who don't like us saying we refused to tell the truth and we didn't like it because donald trump looks good in this. it feels as if in the moment we're in, we're in a circular firing squad where the truth is the loser. >> mika, also, about the mueller report, it was a fascinating insight. also, i think a lot of us, even though we understood donald trump lied and people around him lied. you would think bill barr would be smart enough to not put ou

i think what they want to do is avoid the fate of the mueller report. they know that the reality of capturing viewers attention in the public's attention means that there has to be a bit of a showmanship element to this, and that might be unsavory when you're dealing with something as serious and important as government investigation. i think they are treating that as the reality that we live in, and that is the way you get people to focus on something that might otherwise make your eyes bleed a little bit. host: they're coming at this in a different media environment than watergate, iran contra in the 80's. this is an error of media were people are changing channels and streaming. they have to capture people's attention in this hearing, which gets underway thursday night. guest: right. as i mentioned before, this is going to be a very expensive counter messaging push from pro-trump media that gets a lot of eyeballs. to contend with that, they're going to have to do a something that also can draw the gaze back to them and not allow others to drown them

zaporozhye and kherson regions, one hundred percent things . during the investigation, here is the muellerfluence of the kremlin. in spain, trump was interrogated. let's read where they spend millions of dollars on a lawyer. well, we already remembered that mueller showed a great performance, not only did he write today's political programs and the pre-election company, and he organized the same thing with ours through the first externally political uh- uh speech of trump. well, i don't want to say that um-m- emu potom s completely control the external shelf of trumpan, i think that we are in general, by the way , koval with a completely and ivan pursued a policy of opposition to the kremlin today, he published hungarian today, he pronounces it in hatsun, and the institute, by the way, in my opinion, this is the most promising candidate of the republican party in the presidential elections of the 24th year. kyiv, june 16, does this mean the visit of the european big three and zelensky's answer that ukraine is becoming or can become a noticeable factor, let's say so cautiously, in general p

. >> robert mueller has been investigating whether trump colluded with russia.criticized it as a witch hunt. >> it's a dangerous thing. when you are able as the president of the united states to get rid of those people that are investigating you. simply because they're not on your agenda. >> president trump could instruct the attorney general to fire mueller. because of his role in the campaign, sessions recused himself from the russia investigation. so if sessions is forced out, trump could appoint an attorney general who would fire mueller. >> when you asked what the importance of the saturday night massacre was, i think sessions who whatever you think about the way he led the justice dmt. there's a lot to criticize. ethical and sound and moral, he recused himself from the entire russia probe. that led to the appointment of an independent council. watergate and other moments of scandal and other events that show the fragility of democracy show something else too. the power and honor and strength of good people. covid-19 moves fast, and now you can too by askin

guest: we have written and -- extensively about donald trump and about about the mueller investigation. we have been through that for many years. i don't know if we have anything new to say about that, but as more information is made available, we will certainly write more about it. host: one of the things you talk about in your piece is drawing the line from watergate to donald trump and our current situation. take us through that. guest: it is interesting. we are on the 50th anniversary today of the break in. we are in the middle of the select committee hearings in the house, looking at what happened on january 6 and the role of the trump team involved in that. there are a number of connections or links you can draw from nixon to trump. one of them is similarities in their personalities. both of them had a kind of sense of being victims, that people were out to get them. both of them tended to demonize their opponents. we know richard nixon had an enemies list. and we know from all the tweeting donald trump did that he would go after anybody who he felt was going after him. the other

i think what they want to do is avoid the fate of the mueller report. they know the reality of capturing viewers attention and capturing the public's attention means or has to be a bit of a showmanship element to this. that may be unsavory when you're dealing with something as serious and important as government investigation. they are treating it as that's the reality and that's the way focus on something that might otherwise make their eyesak glae over. >> are coming at this in a different environment than the 1970s and watergate and iran contra in the 80s with just a few cable networks covering. as an era of immediate people are changing channels and streaming they have to capture people's attention when this hearing that gets underway thursday night. >> as i mentioned before the be a very extensive counter messaging push from conservative media from protracted media gets a lot off eyeballs. to contend with that they're going to have to do some that draws the gaze back to them and not allow other people to drown them out. >> or minor viewers and radi

i have a c me that i want to put you to mueller and to bon, and that is that what we saw with ukraine is a little bit i, what we saw was covered 19, we were told of, there weren't resources, there wasn't funding, we couldn't mobilize to do sorts of very critical things, very fast. and in cove, it happened and back there was the money ukrainian refugees needed assistance and boom. there were all the programs are allowed to what they will have to stay in countries. people gave them their homes. it is possible, so if i was going to take away a positive take away from what we have learned at this moment is the racism. the prejudice is now being that there's light been shown on that. and is that possible, or am i being too optimistic of what we have learned from the ukraine crisis, which is still of course, ongoing. kimberly, you go 1st. i will say that i agree with you, that it has shown some light, whether it will actually impact people caring is a different story. because as with the coven 19 crisis, people cared until they didn't. and so there is this light shame being shown on this ra

that's a year longer than the mueller thing itself. it just saw its highest profile target, john durham, a former clinton campaign lawyer, acquitted on all charges. that investigation has accomplished basically nothing in three years. it is not a smoking gun that republicans wanted it to be. but trump's attorney general, bill barr is standing by his man. >> do you feel in any way responsible for how this durham situation is unfolding? and are you disappointed in john durham? >> no, i am very proud of john durham. and i do take responsibility for his appointment. i think he and his team did an exceptionally able job. >> an exceptionally able job was an acquittal on the single count they brought in a few hours. then there is the so-called unmasking scandal, which has nothing to do with wearing masks. this completely manufactured fox news scandal is another one of trump's deep spate conspiracies. >> the nsa forwarded all surveillance reports that included michael flynn's name to the white house where flynn 's name was promptly unmasked. >

robert mueller's investigation took one year and ten months and cost taxpayers $32 million.st of 3.8 million. important to note, it is still going and this defeat in the sussmann trial raises questions about whether it should continue. not so much a question of the cost, but the lack of success. a former fbi lawyer was sentenced to probation after pleading guilty. and one more case going to trial this fall. consider that to mueller's scorecard, senior trump figures like paul manafort, michael flynn, roger stone, personal lawyer michael cohen, papadopoulous, all either pleaded guilty or were convicted at trial. six people served time in prison. the former president pardoned four of them before he left office. >>> and from the gridiron to the green, some of the best quarterbacks in the nfl are set to compete tonight in the latest version of the match. andy scholes is in las vegas with a preview. >> sixth edition of the match will once again take place on the las vegas strip and this time it is all about the quarterbacks. you've got tom brady and aaron rodgers taking on two of

i mean, congress was never able to bring the mueller report to life, is certainly robert mueller didn'tory, a lot of the moments that are captured on camera where, you know, someone is testifying about, you know, a major thing, the information that they're testifying about actually didn't come out at that time. it came out before, but it was that moment where human beings stood up, went under oath on national television before congress that they were able to capture the attention of the information that they did. for example, when jim comey went up and testified before congress in, you know, the summer of 2017 about his relationship with trump, the details, many of the details about that had already come out, but it was the dramatic nature of comey going and testifying. that repeats itself throughout history. so can the committee -- there's a lot of disclosures out there. there's more disclosures about this event than about any event in recent his tor cal times. can they take one of those disclosures and turn it into one of those moments where someone really brings it to life. >> and fo

years already, mueller was under two years, a year and two months.n is about 3.8. here is the deal, we've had three cases so far, one is a guilty plea, this one was acquitted and he has one more trial in october of, you know, a russian researcher who helped do some of the research behind the steel steele dossier. we will paul manafort, rick gates, a number of high profile successful cases on the part of the prosecution so that's the comparison we're facing here. >> evan perez, thank you so much for your days of work on this. we appreciate it. >>> the nfl's top quarterbacks moving from the gridiron to the green, testing their golf skills and their ability to talk trash. we're going to preview the match next. >>> plus the former treasury secretary larry summers who warned the white house early on about inflation will join us live to respond to one of his successors admitting she made a mistake. we've been customers for years. (dad brown) we got iphone 13s, too. switched two minutes ago, literally right before this. (vo) iphone 13 3 on us. on anyny unli

we have mary k. mueller and to ban ladies. thank you so much for joining our conversation. where we really remind out williams who you are and what you do. hello everyone. my name is mary maker. i am as hosted denise refugee that has lived in calmer if you come my whole life i walk with you. want to see are the united nation high commissioner for refugees, the, the united nations refugee agency, and i walk to advocate for refugees. thank you, mary. hey, well, from you in a moment, camida, welcome to the stream. please introduce yourself top audience. hello. thank you for having me. my name is camila alvarez, i'm the legal director at the central american resource center are sent in los angeles. we are an organization that does direct immigration, legal services for refugees, including as i lease and organizing and advocacy around immigrants rights issues. i get to have to find welcome to the screen. please introduce yourself to international audience around the world. thank you so much for having me. hi, i'm to banshee rash. i'm the founder of the latest law and i'm also on

during the during the mueller investigation. the backdrop of great power tension i mean with talking this afternoon in the middle of a really horrific. a war taking place between russia and ukraine and the in the book you have one of the things the guys are doing while the president's drinking is trying to figure out how to get phantoms from from america to the israelis because the israelis during the early part of yankovar are losing very badly to can you get jets to help your guys stop this incursion right by egypt and syria, and of course the issue of whether or not polish migs can be somehow midwifeed via the us to ukraine is that with how much is that being in your mind? yeah, writing and after the writing of the book so i i said that donald trump's name appears precisely once in the book, but that chapter that we have just lived through and are still living through in many ways it looms over every page of this book because this in many ways is the start of many of the things that sort of become our modern moment and i date

people saw this the way we saw mueller.ere was an understated experience of what we expected from him. he said two things. one is, he said the obstruction stands. didn't say it as forcefully as i just have, but that's the way it was taken. second, he said in the middle of elections coming up, and this is pertinent because it has not gone away. this is not like that. this is a blockbuster because we'll have to we tails of thing we've seen publicly already. so we have a frak work to put this information on. >> just to button up, sometimes the article ends with the quote, sometimes it ends with the summary. i'm going attempt to sup rise counselor flannery. you think it's going to be more effective if they find a way to present to the american public the evidence trump committed a crime, if there is, and if they have a view that he did, they should state that view. we're hearing different things out of washington, and i think anyone who's followed the democratic party in washington, sometimes you'll hear, you know, three views

don mcgahn was a star witness in the mueller report, but getting him out in front of the world the way or other witnesses did not happen the way i think people remember that time frame. here, in some ways bill barr today, as more and more of his deposition comes out, is a star witness, which is distinct from his overall record. so we wanted to both show viewers the news, what he said under oath, bad for trump buck also get your views on this wider idea that he did resign in december 2020, and we're getting more of his claims under oath about why, and yet let's look at the official resignation letter, because we do comprehensive news here. first paragraph, he says he appreciates the opportunity to update the president on the voter fraud allegations and they would continue that probe. then he also says donald trump had unprecedented achievements, a historic legacy. this is a person who, as i mentioned in the mueller probe was using his -- to selective i quote, to interfere with the roger stone sentencing. here's what bill barr was saying, though, today. >> i made it clear i did not agree

barr came out and gave a summary of the mueller report weeks before the mueller report came out.as we know now. it didn't have any of the underlying evidence. but because we were covering it live live live, we quint to air with it and essentially became a pawn in a political document that then had a head start for the truth, in front of the truth for weeks. the problem that we face right now is that there's a part of the country that has demonized journalists and has said we only report one thing, we only want the outcome to be a certain way. say we didn't go up with the barr report and other outlets did, and we didn't and said we'll wait till we get the full context of it, they would have used that as fodder to say, hey, listen, we're not going to report on something good for donald trump. >> trevor: damned if you do, damned if you don't. another part of the book is particularly pertinent not just because to have the month and time we're in but because of life and relationships as a whole, and it's about you talking about your relationship with your father who transitioned and c

we've seen the mueller hearings. off tomorrow night different? >> they'll be different in a number of respects. the mueller hearing was essentially one witness speaking in very-- well, abriefated fashion before the committee, very little in terms of audio or visual, other elements to that hearing. even the ukraine hearings incorporated documentary evidence in additional live testimony. but both were characterized by vigorous in-fighting among committee members. this investigation has been utterly nonpartisan. we have been singulary devoted to pursuing the truth, so you're going to see none of the kind of bickering that usually characterizes congressional hearings. we're going to see live testimony. you're going to see videotape testimony from other interviews or depositions. audio evidence, documentary evidence, hopefully woven together in a way that tells the story of how a president of the united states and his enablers, for the first time in history, attempted, through a multifaceted campaign, to interfere with th

this smoking gun has been yet another mueller. it is overturn the 2020 election.st at a player to halt the victory of january six. this memo now raises a whole new set of questions. the scheme laid out in structural fashion that it essentially look like this. this is providing an offer despite being a role. but act as the president senate, regardless of whether it was republican. george conway's a former republican back in march and responded to the release of this new memo. human opinion piece in the washington post that trump probably committed a. crime the department justice can't ignore that and he joins me now. we have a big reveal of what this memo was and it is quite granular in how they envisioned this coup being pulled off. 40 impressions of it? >> the judge is absolutely right to order a release. claude completely overturn the election. it had the electoral -- it is vice president. there's even a sentence or a phrase in the memo that says, any of the outcome sketched above seems preferable to allow the counts act to operate by its terms. they're basicall

let's bring our chief political abs. emsella cooper. mueller rumour has it. he won't go there alone. yes, we have seen a newspaper reports in recent days, citing diplomatic sources, expecting the german chancellor french present emanuel, my call, and matthew tarkey, the italian prime minister to potentially go there together. i'm being so cautious because we decidedly have no confirmation from the german side, but also no denial and that amounts to the expectation that those 3 leaders will head to key if potentially ahead of a key meeting in brussels on friday, where a potential you accessing status of ukraine, it could be decided and a lot of a lot of ifs and buts, but in my, in my court, certainly already geographically in the region, he's due to head from romania to moldova. today. now ahead of us a potential joint visit, the french president is now calling for fresh talks between moscow and keith, lead listening quickly, little ukrainian president and his officials will have to negotiate with russia. so i'm here, when these 3 european leaders do go to giv

well, you know, these -- what mueller laid out against trumps in orders of magnitude more solid than what the jury rejected yesterday. >> george, so, you're saying that basically attorney general merrick garland could dismiss this now? >> yes. >> what else could merrick garland be doing now? >> at the justice department, he has power, as attorney general, he could say wrap it up, let's see your report. i want it next month. and then they can debate whether, you know, there's anything in the report. and he can shut this down saying that's enough. or basically put with an order, put durham out on the street. >> so, the foreperson for this jury spoke briefly after the verdict was delivered and said, simply, personally, i don't think it should have been prosecuted. we could spend this time more wisely. that's from someone who sat and listened to all the evidence. george conway, thanks for being here this morning. we always appreciate it. >>> still ahead on "morning joe," the latest from ukraine as the white house outlines a multimillion-dollar aid package. president biden explaining his