direct persuasion, but it is not about these people specifically, and if they think so, for example, angelitsky an outstanding polish researcher of slavophiles of humanity, what did he say when crimea was annexed? well, of course, except for the russians, that is we meet all the cultural contexters. it seems that already the cultural polish context, such things can not take root even to any extent, but they are there, that's why it seems to me that it is not about a specific, so to speak, targeted intention. we will convince the eyes of this intellectual. for me, they are already practically, er, we can analyze them as a phenomenon, and to have a concrete dialogue with them is even ridiculous, and to a large extent, their time has passed like this, that is, hmm, now we need to work on the future, i will just ask what about the past, when you are you talking about uh about the soil on which it grew grew this recognition of the greatness of the russian empire or self-deprecation how do you explain this what is this soil where did it come from how did russia manage and for how long to capture the