ashley ho perez. all right about chief ample club is now in session. thrilled to be joined by ashley ho perez, she is the associate professor of comparative studies that ohio state university. she is the author of the book out of darkness. she's the recipient of numerous honors, including the 2016 prince award for excellence and young adult literature. ashley, good morning to you. thank you for joining us on the velshi banned book club. >> thank you so much for having me. >> out of darkness is a challenge in re-, there's no question about. it is tough. what's do you say to parents who argue that their child is not ready for book like this? >> adam, i am a parent so i really relate to those concerns. i would tell them, no problem. your child doesn't need to read this book. if they want to read it, read it with them if you have concerns. >> let's talk about the passage that the lake -- the mother and late travis had problems about. for obvious reasons i'm not going to read out that passage. it is graphic. they get in the scene's imagination what it would