joining me now is nbc news correspondent maggie vespa and law enforcement agent dermot shea. i'm sorry to have stepped on a lot of the was in that you were gathering as well from at that news conference but what can you tell us that you're seeing onseen? >> one of the thing is the chief of police and the mayor both saying they wanted to point out how their first responders jumped into action. they said something along the lines of this is proof that training works. obviously that's a really poignant point, given what we've seen in uvalde. they're working with greenwood police, indiana police, fbi and atf. they're saying it was the good guy with the guns, elijah dickins, who they said engaged the shooter from a distance with a handgun and was able to hit the shooter they said multiple times before he eventually retreated or tried to retreat and later died of those injuries. so the way they phrase it, there could have been several more casualties or at least injuries who that man, elijah dickins had not jumped in. they said he's dealing with a lot, that's to be expected, he doe

>> this is dermot speaking now. it's somewhat of a moot point at this point. that's not to say you're not playing close attention to perimeters. this if in a car, quickly getting very far away. that's the problem for law enforcement where they simply we are going to be getting hundreds of and and the call is going to be for anyone. if the hair on the back of your neck goes up, you're right, call it in to the police and let them verify if that's a valid issue. if you think back to the boston bombing case, it was in the back yard, hiding in the boat where they eventually found that person. and that's to remember here, that that person that committed this heinous act today and i know all americans are angry as they turn on the news right now, his world is shrinking. and even his family more often than not will turn their back on him. i am sure as details come out, somebody will be calling up now and say somebody said something the other day, i didn't take it seriously but here's what i know. it tips like that that often help law enforcement. >> i want to bring in

dermot. thank you very much. and dr. fins. you're a tough act to follow. i wanted to also start by thanking dean 48 our dean ferrick and john rogan and rabb for inviting me to this panel and for organizing and orchestrating not only this panel, but previous ones that we've done on the presidential succession issue. i wanted to talk a little bit about sort of these real-world examples that rev just spoke about as well of incidents and hypotheticals where both the president and the vice president could be either killed or incapacitated in a way that causes this gap between the 25th amendment and the 1947 act to really become a salient challenge. so, you know as many of the people have on the previous two panels have discussed. there's really this challenge that relates to examples where a president can die or become incapacitated and the vice president may or may not take over but there may be other instances hypothetical or real where the vice president also becomes ill and incapacitated. um, so certainly one recent example of this certainly not the only on

joining us now, the former police commissioner of the city of new york, dermot shay.icult time and an ugly time for gun violence in major cities and new york as well. what do you make of what you saw last night, those numbers? >> this has always been a busy weekend, particularly in the summer, but july 4th is an all hands on deck with the nypd. officers all the time working late. it's a festive time where you have tons of parties and celebrations, and barbecues, but unfortunately, you saw last night what we've seen over the years. one or two people can ruin a really nice event, and when you mix alcohol and mix it with illegal firearms, that's what you get. >> let's talk about the illegal firearms in new york city, commissioner: obviously it's been something that has plagued our city of new york for a very long time. what more can be done in new york, and take that out to cities across the country to stop. we're talking mostly about handgun violence in those cases. >> yeah, as i'm sitting here, and we'll get into it with what happened in chicago, i would parse it as tw

i also want to thank chairman dermot, ranking member grassley, and all of the committee members here. also thanks to senator brown for that very kind of direction and his support. i appreciate the heartfelt words i have heard today from the chairman and ranking member briefly about yesterday's tragedy in uvalde. the pain of those family and really all of us feel, but especially those families, it's just unimaginable to me. i think for me in many last night was a night where parents everywhere how their kids just a little bit harder at the end of the day. i know that i did. my thoughts are very much with the community in texas. they are suffering so deeply, and with other communities because this event could be a catalyst for other people who have gone through this, to relieve some of the great pain that they feel. i also want to thank president biden for nominating me to be the director of bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives. i will say as a former staff detailing on this committee i'm especially honored to be here today. i have spent the majority of my career in publ

. >> dermot, we just heard something from jim cavanaugh that we had heard earlier from frank figliuzzihe hope that this next press conference, which we are waiting for from officials in highland park, that there will be some images or some stills that they are able to share with us. can you, as someone who has been in these situations, pull back the curtain for us and give us a sense of the conversations, of the debates that are happening between officials on the ground about whether or not to share the information they already have? you know, i think we actually have the medical -- we have someone from the hospital who is holding a press conference. let's take a listen. >> the mass shooting or casualty event, our team very quickly activated one of our internal messaging codes called code yellow, which is for mass casualty and trauma response to mobilize our surgical teams, to bring in other resources, and within a very short amount of time, started to receive a number of ambulances from the emergency medical services system. we received, in total, about 26 total patients, 10 of which

thank, you chairman dermot. ranking member grassley, and the distinguished members of the senate judiciary committee. for the opportunity to testify today. i am juliana stratton, lieutenant governor of the great state of illinois, and i use she her pronouns. since coming into office, governor pritzker and i have been focused on the health, safety, and access to opportunities for all women of illinois, of all backgrounds and ages. and, one way that we've worked to make that a reality is by preserving and protecting legal abortion in illinois. in 2019, governor pritzker signed the reproductive health care act, which enshrined reproductive rights into state law, repealed outdated laws criminalizing abortion, and requires private health insurance plans to cover abortion as the vital reproductive health procedure that it is. we made a vow that our state will be a beacon of hope for all. this was a promise that we made it to the people of illinois, and i come before you today because people throughout the entire midwe