he is the chair in geoscience at texas a&m and was named director of texas a and m center for climate studies. he also served in the clinton administration during the last year he served as a senior policy analyst in the white house office of science and technology policy. his latest book, introduction to modern climate change won the 2014 american meteorological society's offer is a word. we are also pleased to have alex epstein the president and founder of the center for industrial progress, author of the moral case for fossil fuels. alex is a philosopher that argues that human flourishing should be the guiding principle of industrial and environmental progress. he is the author of "the new york times" bestseller the moral case for fossil fuel. and alex is known for his willingness to debate anyone, anytime and has publicly debated the leading environmentalist organizations such as grains greenpeace, the sierra club and 350.org over the immunology of fossil fuel and finally, the moderator for this morning's debateri is from the denver gazette and is a longtime journalist and more th

i'm joined by michael oppenheimer, a professor of geosciences and international affairs at princetonrsity. he is one of the six scientists who filed an amicus brief in the supreme court case. and mustafa ali, who formerly worked in the epa office of environmental justice and is now with the national wildlife federation. welcome to you both. thank you for joining us. the ruling clearly leaves the administration with far fewer tools to fight the climate crisis, but the epa administration insist they can still meet their goals. it will just take a little longer. do you buy that? >> that is a very optimistic view. even under an optimistic view, this decision will seriously slow u.s. progress in reducing emissions of greenhouse gases and avoiding dangerous climate change. what i mean by dangerous is much more of the kinds of weather we've already started to see. record heat, drought, sea level rise, and really intense rainstorms. in some cases, drowning people in their own bedrooms. what was the government going to do about that? well, congress, number one, could act. number two, the admi