lee kuan yew's reforms were called harsh for drug trafficking by the death penalty, and those who wereted to corruption were sent to prison. crime in singapore has been reduced to almost zero today. uh, when it comes to crime, we have a very strict stance on drugs, weapons are prohibited from possession of weapons and if a person commits an armed robbery, he is sentenced to death, and in singapore has not had a case of robbery with firearms for a long time. we believe this is the right approach. 728 m² singapore is home to almost 700,000 people. let's imagine six people being there in a wonderful way. it gets along surprisingly well, probably also because any manifestation of national enmity or national hatred is severe. punished by law, you know, singapore is sometimes compared to switzerland on various indicators, but on one indicator, singapore can definitely go with switzerland, because there are four official state languages ​​from switzerland and singapore. well, that fact itself already speaks of how tolerant people are in singapore. but how is it possible to achieve such inter-

it was sort of set up by lee kuan yew. it's been in effect for well over six decades.combines economic openness with a real sense of political control and social control. do you think that model needs to change? well, i disagree with the assumptions in your question about political control and economic control. you know, in the last elections, we had 61%, the opposition had 40% of the votes. voting is free and fair. the reason why the pap has managed a substantial dominance is because in 1965, when the pap came to... when we took independence, or when we had independence thrust upon us, gdp per capita was about $500. today it's $55,000. it's... on any index that you look at — education, healthcare, housing, law and order — we are, you know, in the top three or four in the world. and, you know, the people understand that. but at the same time, there is a very vibrant set of discussions going on. and i would say that... i wouldn't quite put it as political control and social control. 0k. but the model... let's dig into your particular remit. you're home affairs minister,